Why does Europe love CocoRosie so much?

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Haha I think the only adequate approach to take here is that of Cocorosie's psychologist, who would say that while it's not prohibited for white singers to say "nigger," it is (shall we say) "very very interesting" that one would choose to put it in the song, then have to sing it to groups of people every third night for the next few years, then trade your drum loops for beatboxing from your black backing band (haha then get quoted in infamous "Kill Whitey" article), all leading up to a general chin-scratching steeple-fingered "very interesting, Cocorosie, you are very interested in black people."

― nabisco, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 20:54 (seventeen years ago) link

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y8/bramafear/James%20Bond/K1620-20Hugo2020Drax.jpg
"Ahh, Cocorosie..."

― deej, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 20:56 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh also when I saw Cocorosie one of them was wearing cornrows and a Sean John velour tracksuit.

― nabisco, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 21:11 (seventeen years ago) link

any ironic homophobia in their music too or are we just not listening hard enough?

― blueski, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 21:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Which, you know, whatever, she just looked like Lady Sovereign or something, but doesn't exactly play against the "HMM VERY INTERESTING" factor.

― nabisco, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 21:14 (seventeen years ago) link

i heard that some of sean john's clothing is actually pretty nice

― deej, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 21:22 (seventeen years ago) link

i do realize that made it sound like i think sean john is a person

― deej, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 21:23 (seventeen years ago) link

I downloaded the new one on o1nk because I saw it just upped and thought it might help boost the ratio but it hasn't and it's basically unlistenable.

― jim, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 21:39 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh my, just read the thing about the Kill Whitey party. Doesn't go to non-hipster hip-hop nights because there's too many black dudes is basically what she's saying, no?

― jim, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 21:41 (seventeen years ago) link

These girls have art school theory coming out the ass. They wouldn't be sincere if you asked for the time.

― fife, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 22:21 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.chicagoreader.com/features/stories/wayw/060908/
http://www.chicagoreader.com/features/stories/wayw/060908/grills.jpg

― deej, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 22:24 (seventeen years ago) link

Rich white semotics victims adopting gangsta stereotypes. My worldview has been so shattered.

― fife, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 22:27 (seventeen years ago) link

i don't really know much about the whole controversial aspect of this band.

but i went to their myspace and listened.

and, in my non-professional opinion, ignoring any racial implications, this band sucks up a storm.

― M@tt He1ges0n, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 22:28 (seventeen years ago) link

CocoRosie are not loved in Europe, in my experience.

― caek, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 22:51 (seventeen years ago) link

is that a picture of cocorosie that deej posted? they look like a bunch of ding-dongs.

― M@tt He1ges0n, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 22:51 (seventeen years ago) link

oh wait nevermind. that's some other ding dongs.

― M@tt He1ges0n, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 22:53 (seventeen years ago) link

White message board posters casually equating "black" with "gangsta" = my worldview is sarcastically shattered too.

― nabisco, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 22:54 (seventeen years ago) link

Fred Durst is a fucking faggot
He thinks he's black, but he's just gay
He cancelled a show cuz he sprained his ankle
He's also a fucking midget

[Chorus:]
You're not fucking black, you're just fucking gay (x2)
You're fucking gay

The guitarist wears a mask
To hide the cum stains on his face
They're the gayest band I've ever seen
And I've seen the Culture Club live

[Chorus]

Fred wears a hat to hide his baldness
I refuse to believe blacks think he's cool
I wish he'd beaten and raped by some black guy
And see if he still wants to be black

― Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 23:03 (seventeen years ago) link

zing!

― s1ocki, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 23:05 (seventeen years ago) link

fucking xpost

― s1ocki, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 23:06 (seventeen years ago) link

White message board posters casually equating "black" with "gangsta" = my worldview is sarcastically shattered too.

Have they toyed with any non-gangsta black stereotypes?

― fife, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 23:10 (seventeen years ago) link

Do you think every black person wearing Sean John, cornrows, or beatboxing is a gang member?

― nabisco, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 23:20 (seventeen years ago) link

Make this go away.

― Pye Poudre, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 23:22 (seventeen years ago) link

I mean FFS, what "gangsta" stereotypes have they played with?

― nabisco, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 23:25 (seventeen years ago) link

doug e. fresh was a vice lord.

― M@tt He1ges0n, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 23:27 (seventeen years ago) link

This dreadful racism stuff aside, I do like their choons. I dig the music box stylo.

― Drooone, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 23:27 (seventeen years ago) link

i'm just sad that the cocorosie controversy is taking away attention from the 50 foot tall michael jackson robot.

― M@tt He1ges0n, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 23:32 (seventeen years ago) link

Wait who are these people? I am in Europe and I don't even know who they are </lex>

― Colonel Poo, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 23:36 (seventeen years ago) link

I like how the hipsters on ilm interpret hipsters fascinated with blackness as morally worse than "mainstream"/middle class/working class fascination with same.

― vadx, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 23:48 (seventeen years ago) link

I like how the hipsters on ilm interpret hipsters fascinated with blackness as morally worse than "mainstream"/middle class/working class fascination with same.

― vadx, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 23:48 (seventeen years ago) link

I like how you're projecting

― deej, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 23:52 (seventeen years ago) link

No, not every person in real life, but those who submit themselves to mass media scrutiny use them as signals to establish a subcultural affiliation for social or commercial reasons. Doesn't a row of silver teeth as in the picture above have "gangsta" media associations? Doesn't it say "I'm a tough guy you don't wanna mess with?" CocoRosie are trying to dynamite that association or point up the shallowness of media identity by stripping the signals from their racial/cultural context. I think. If that is the case, my problem is that they're muddling the issue by not declaring their intent.

― fife, Thursday, 29 March 2007 00:08 (seventeen years ago) link

i like how everyone is afraid to take a stance for fear of ILM rejection, if I say i'm offended I'm being sensitive, if I say they're cool, then I like shitty music....hmmmm

such a catch 22
the right answer: fuck all y'alls I don't care

― tornup_andhurt, Thursday, 29 March 2007 00:12 (seventeen years ago) link

actually fuck all y'alls let's listen to LCD Soundsystem seems more appropriate

― tornup_andhurt, Thursday, 29 March 2007 00:13 (seventeen years ago) link

wouldn't muddling the issue make it a better point?

― vadx, Thursday, 29 March 2007 01:17 (seventeen years ago) link

I like Metallic Falcons.

― Manalishi, Thursday, 29 March 2007 01:48 (seventeen years ago) link

Am I gay for hearing similarities to The Microphones?

I've only heard one song, but that is what I got.

― redlightsting, Thursday, 29 March 2007 02:04 (seventeen years ago) link

fyi fife the girls with the grills aren't cocorosie

― Lingbert, Thursday, 29 March 2007 02:14 (seventeen years ago) link

There was a brainwashed article about CocoRosie's supposed flirtation with racism, but as far as I could tell it was just another one of the 3 billion bitchy daily posts written about rich kids in New York that seem to dominate the 'blogosphere'. I find it difficult to find any connection between this and real racist behaviour. White kids have been playing dress-ups as rappers for years, and it really only seems to signify a fascination with that scene. They know they can't pull it off without looking stupid so they turn it into some kind of a joke.

― badg, Thursday, 29 March 2007 03:23 (seventeen years ago) link

fyi fife the girls with the grills aren't cocorosie

Haha, ok, nevermind then. Maybe they're just goofball hipsters playing dress up.

― fife, Thursday, 29 March 2007 03:51 (seventeen years ago) link

"and, in my non-professional opinion, ignoring any racial implications, this band sucks up a storm"

so right.
and yes, in Italy Cocorosie are "popular", at least in indie terms.

― Marco Damiani, Thursday, 29 March 2007 06:36 (seventeen years ago) link

So... a bunch of students dressing up as Aunt Jemima = controversy!
A bunch of rich kids doing the same in a hip club = acceptable sociological phenomenon?

― StanM, Thursday, 29 March 2007 06:37 (seventeen years ago) link

I didn't think the rich kids in the club were dressing as Aunt Jemima.

― badg, Thursday, 29 March 2007 06:46 (seventeen years ago) link

ok, but it's almost comparable, isn't it?

― StanM, Thursday, 29 March 2007 06:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Not sure how this figures into their "issues"/"racial flirtations"/"fascinations" or whatever, but the press photo for the new album depicts both of the women sitting on a blanket looking bored, with some kind of clown makeup on, chewing bubblegum. One of them is pointing a remote control off into the distance and wears a see-through mesh shirt with her breast visible.

― Ben Boyerrr, Thursday, 29 March 2007 08:33 (seventeen years ago) link

On the cover, they're both dressed in, er, black.

http://www.tgrec.com/bands/album.php?id=400

― StanM, Thursday, 29 March 2007 08:40 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm European, and I've never heard of Cocorosie.

― Tuomas, Thursday, 29 March 2007 08:44 (seventeen years ago) link

No shit.

― Dom Passantino, Thursday, 29 March 2007 09:16 (seventeen years ago) link

I think they're quite good here and there. I couldn't care less about any confused race (sounds more like culture to me) fetishism they might display outside of their music.

― blueski, Thursday, 29 March 2007 10:30 (seventeen years ago) link

Cute girly curly ginger ironic racist is far too cute to be hanging out with soulless dead eyed hipster racist.

― Dom Passantino, Thursday, 29 March 2007 10:32 (seventeen years ago) link

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i like the song "old man" off of sail away a lot.

― M@tt He1ges0n, Friday, 30 March 2007 18:48 (seventeen years ago) link

"i am glad that we can use this shitty thread to find that eveyrone who isnt a total douche thinks randy newman is a genius"

fuck you. at least i explained WHY i don't like him. or more specifically his voice. and his shitty film work. what do you got? "randy pwnz, you suck". dillweed.

― scott seward, Friday, 30 March 2007 18:56 (seventeen years ago) link

his disney songs make me feel old and depressed

― rps, Friday, 30 March 2007 18:58 (seventeen years ago) link

how is his film work shitty? it's predictable maybe but I think it's decent enough! then again my personal history with randy newman is so long I'd probably defend anything he did

this is the post where I brag that, being very old, I saw him on the Good Old Boys tour only after he'd ditched the orchestra

― Hans Rott, Friday, 30 March 2007 21:26 (seventeen years ago) link

unless I already did that, it's kinda late here

― Hans Rott, Friday, 30 March 2007 21:26 (seventeen years ago) link

the Natural is fucking classic. Fucking classic.

― max, Friday, 30 March 2007 21:27 (seventeen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

wow, new album only gets a 2.3 on pitchfork. way to go guys, take a BITE out of RACISM

― modestmickey, Thursday, 19 April 2007 10:28 (seventeen years ago) link

It's really sad to me that white people always have these "vague" and "complicated" "relationships" with black people, and yet they very rarely live in an area that has a significant black population at all, and probably never will.

― filthy dylan, Thursday, 19 April 2007 19:56 (seventeen years ago) link

^ lol

― Catsupppppppppppppp dude ‫茄蕃‪, Thursday, 19 April 2007 20:07 (seventeen years ago) link

Way to generalize, filthy.

― Mordechai Shinefield, Thursday, 19 April 2007 20:08 (seventeen years ago) link

CocoRosie is Pfork's new Joan of Arc?

― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Thursday, 19 April 2007 20:19 (seventeen years ago) link

UH doesn't CocoRosie live in NYC

― Catsupppppppppppppp dude ‫茄蕃‪, Thursday, 19 April 2007 20:45 (seventeen years ago) link

Uh, it's not like NYC has a uniformly significant black population. It's plausible that CocoRosie could live in the city 24/7 and avoid any meaningful interaction with people who are not of the hip-oisie.

― mark 0, Friday, 20 April 2007 07:32 (sixteen years ago) link

That pfork review is appalling. "Think Joanna Newsom with shittier pot and nobody to edit her"? Fuck off.

― Ben Boyerrr, Friday, 20 April 2007 07:37 (sixteen years ago) link

fuck you. at least i explained WHY i don't like him. or more specifically his voice. and his shitty film work. what do you got? "randy pwnz, you suck". dillweed.

-- scott seward, Friday, March 30, 2007 11:56 AM (2 weeks ago)

classy

― gershy, Friday, 20 April 2007 07:49 (sixteen years ago) link

It's something like Vitamin C's 1999 Top 40 hit "Graduation (Friends Forever)", only with neighing horses, buzzing synths, and Sierra's operatic soprano instead of Pachelbel-derived orchestral Radio Disney pomp/circumstance.

This sounds fantastic to me. Seriously, I would have bought the album on this quote alone.

But, I've been going to a lot of concerts in Belgium and of the people I've seen (LCD Soundsystem, Andrew Bird, Joanna Newsom, Akron/Family, Deerhoof, Clap Your Hands Say Yeah, Air) The only band that's been recognised more than once is Cocorosie. And everybody has been very jealous about that one. It was sold out. I mean, as far as I can tell, they're more famous than Air here.

― I know, right?, Friday, 20 April 2007 09:33 (sixteen years ago) link

That quote is from the Pitchfork review btw.

― I know, right?, Friday, 20 April 2007 09:33 (sixteen years ago) link

i've been on the fence because i've thought in the past that they had interesting ideas which at some point they might do something with, but the new album is just so...mediocre, so amateur, so comfortable in its refusal to make any kind of artistic progress, so hokey.

― lex pretend, Friday, 20 April 2007 09:46 (sixteen years ago) link

Really? I think it has a kind of frazzled eight year old psychedelia that comes over really well.

― I know, right?, Friday, 20 April 2007 09:52 (sixteen years ago) link

I think, rich kids in the attic, awaiting a genuine crisis, making fey and pretty tunes before the deluge. I should know. After the deluge, if they're not too rich to cushion it, we'll see what they've got. In the meantime, cute, fatuousl, smug.

― moley, Friday, 20 April 2007 10:08 (sixteen years ago) link

yeah it has this air of..."sigh. do we need to write a melody here? make an effort to convey anything in our voices? hire a producer? ...nah, whatever."

― lex pretend, Friday, 20 April 2007 10:18 (sixteen years ago) link

Who edits Joanna Newsom? I could do that job.

― braveclub, Friday, 20 April 2007 10:32 (sixteen years ago) link

"Editor-at-large, Joanna Newsom"

― braveclub, Friday, 20 April 2007 10:55 (sixteen years ago) link

one month passes...

I quite like the new album. The serious sister's vocals reminds me of one of the female vocalists on the Bows album a lot - and a lot of the music has that same ornate papery trip hop vibe too.

― Tim F, Tuesday, 5 June 2007 01:02 (sixteen years ago) link

and isn't their last name Casady?...(not exactly the Bows LP title, but you get my drift)...

― henry s, Tuesday, 5 June 2007 19:05 (sixteen years ago) link

eleven months pass...

http://hypem.com/track/550970

― danbunny, Sunday, 18 May 2008 15:33 (fifteen years ago) link

http://www.concertgebouworkest.nl/nieuws/nieuws-detail.asp?id=355&cnt=3

― danbunny, Sunday, 18 May 2008 15:41 (fifteen years ago) link

ummmm

― RabiesAngentleman, Sunday, 18 May 2008 16:44 (fifteen years ago) link

yeah,,umm

― danbunny, Sunday, 18 May 2008 16:53 (fifteen years ago) link

so maybe it's better that Cocorosie at least kinda engage with (their weird blackness issues)

^^^kinda seriously questioning this

― RabiesAngentleman, Sunday, 18 May 2008 17:02 (fifteen years ago) link

engage
enrage
engorge
dislodge
hodgepodge
resolve
implore

― danbunny, Sunday, 18 May 2008 17:05 (fifteen years ago) link

i like th look of some of th orchestra players faces in that dutch video

― danbunny, Sunday, 18 May 2008 17:06 (fifteen years ago) link

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