Rush Limbaugh warned his listeners, "get ready to get gang-raped again"
hat tip to graun for not contextualizing that
― frankie t lamps baby (nakhchivan), Friday, 10 September 2010 13:48 (thirteen years ago) link
And, outside of the Internet, I haven't heard anyone make a joke about rape in years.― Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Friday, September 10, 2010 2:47 PM (50 seconds ago) Bookmark
― Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Friday, September 10, 2010 2:47 PM (50 seconds ago) Bookmark
there's... an... outside...?
― The sulky expression from the hilarious "Aubrey Plaza" persona (history mayne), Friday, 10 September 2010 13:49 (thirteen years ago) link
Jokes about non-specific rape, that is. I still hear a prison rape joke once in a blue moon. And this is the only place I hear 'rapey', I'm assuming this is a Britishism.
― Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Friday, 10 September 2010 13:51 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah. It's awful. Stay inside, I beg you.
― Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Friday, 10 September 2010 13:53 (thirteen years ago) link
internet to syntax, dignity: 'grtggra'
― frankie t lamps baby (nakhchivan), Friday, 10 September 2010 13:57 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm assuming this is a Britishism.
No, an Internetism
― Tom A. (Tom B.) (Tom C.) (Tom D.), Friday, 10 September 2010 13:57 (thirteen years ago) link
I've heard the term used in a "humorous" or ott descriptive way a bit over the last few years, prior to that, never, really. Last IRL instance I can remember was when one of the office staff at the last job's car broke down on the way to work, and she arrived in a bit of a state of high emotion. when recounting this, the (female) service department described her thus "you should have seen the state she was in, she looked like she'd been RAPED!" (emphasis was on the last word) I didn't think it was cool, I guess I should have complained, but the manager was a fucking psycho, who delighted in making the service staff's lives hell so I bottled it (she got sacked about a month after this, a bunch of service techs all handed in their notice b/c of her psycho-ness) anyway, I recognise what the guardian article's about, and don't like it.
― mc banhammer (Pashmina), Friday, 10 September 2010 14:08 (thirteen years ago) link
jesus i'm no saint with language but pash that's pretty wtf
― k¸ (darraghmac), Friday, 10 September 2010 14:16 (thirteen years ago) link
Joe, back then the word 'rape' meant 'kidnapping'. 'Rape' got its current meaning through a misunderstanding of what went on during the Rape of the Sabine Women.
not really, the modern meaning had been established for centuries by the 18th c. pope's alluding to helen of troy's kidnap etc, but he's also jokingly comparing the violation of having some hair cut off against your will with being raped.
― joe, Friday, 10 September 2010 14:18 (thirteen years ago) link
It was the actual epitome of a dysfunctional workplace, darra, I shd maybe recount my experineces there on 77 before i forget it all, dunno, maybe better to let it fade away. I hate being unemployed but it's better than working for that lot.
aven;t read the article but yeah people use it way too casually and it's weird, but it's up to them really, if they want to. stand-up comedians are the worst people.
― The sulky expression from the hilarious "Aubrey Plaza" persona (history mayne)
agree w this, genetally, especially as regards to stand up comedians. I guess it shouldn't really be surprising. when i worked for the PA company we ofthen put on a PA for stand-ups at a couple of regular nights in n'cle. The ONLY one I remember being nice was Jo Brand, every other one wether national or local was an arrogant, unbearable motherfucker.
Related to the article, and to the guardian and other media generally, I hate seeing the existence of stupid facebook groups, and bollocks on twitter reported as if it were newsworthy in its own right, or as if it proved anything. i guess it's probably a way of doing a voxpop while being too lazt to get away from your desk, IDK, all it seems to probe to me is that such sites are a way for stupid, bored people to find common cause in saying stupid, ignorant things.
― mc banhammer (Pashmina), Friday, 10 September 2010 14:27 (thirteen years ago) link
First saw 'rapey' and 'hatefuck' on Popbitch first, possibly during their era of the pram-face.
― maintenant avec plus de fromage (suzy), Friday, 10 September 2010 13:43 (55 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
I always think of hatefuck as an Americanism but not sure I have any real basis for this... 'rapey', and god help me for remembering it this vividly, was on Popbitch however, iirc a quote from a 'source' about reality show crepe Paul Danan
― This site already seems as unruly as a Marnie Stern record (DJ Mencap), Friday, 10 September 2010 14:45 (thirteen years ago) link
"hatefuck" is much, much older than Popbitch. Dunno how old, but e.g. Pussy Galore, mid 80s
― a fucking stove just fell on my foot. (Colonel Poo), Friday, 10 September 2010 14:47 (thirteen years ago) link
Ohhh yeah it is Pussy Galore but tbh I never heard anyone use 'hatefuck' outside discussion of Groovy Hate Fuck until the term wound up with Popbitch webmongs.
― maintenant avec plus de fromage (suzy), Friday, 10 September 2010 14:50 (thirteen years ago) link
'hatefuck' is the sort of term that needed the internet etc in order to become popularized
― frankie t lamps baby (nakhchivan), Friday, 10 September 2010 14:53 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, I should imagine it is easier to type casually than it is to say out loud.
― jesper olsen twins (NickB), Friday, 10 September 2010 14:55 (thirteen years ago) link
the harrison/haye interview on today was fucking mind-boggling btw. best argument for banning boxing i've heard in a long time. seems to have been redacted from the archives though.
― ledge, Friday, 10 September 2010 15:07 (thirteen years ago) link
I reckon the fight will be a good advert for banning boxing.
― pissky in the jar (onimo), Friday, 10 September 2010 15:18 (thirteen years ago) link
haha
― frankie t lamps baby (nakhchivan), Friday, 10 September 2010 15:21 (thirteen years ago) link
Not at all unique to the Guardian, but I'd hoped headlines like this would be on the decrease:Man shot five because of way wife cooked his eggs
to which my automatic reaction is "No, he shot them because he was mentally unstable and chose to kill them".Do you think this kind of headline contributes in any way to the notion that an arbitrary action can cause you to be shot in the head, or am I being ridiculous?
― Not the real Village People, Monday, 13 September 2010 00:19 (thirteen years ago) link
there's a british/american divide in how that's being reported, or there was as of last night
― thomp, Monday, 13 September 2010 11:37 (thirteen years ago) link
I know it was a few days ago but is this hip-hop-loving, indie-scorning John Harris by any chance related to the man who wrote these columns?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2007/jan/05/popandrockhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2006/oct/13/electronicmusic.popandrock
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Monday, 13 September 2010 14:21 (thirteen years ago) link
I went and looked at the comments. :(
"Any white, middle-class, university educated man who claims he can appreciate Dizzee Rascal's Boy In Da Corner, for example, is an outrageous fraud and a liar. In fact Mr Rascal's credibility as an artist relies heavily on the bogus patronage of misguided music critics. He is an inarticulate, talentless thug. Mr Harris, answer me this one question please: why do rappers never get pulled up for their homophobia and misogyny? Is it because they is black?"
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Monday, 13 September 2010 14:31 (thirteen years ago) link
i just read that 1st link and could someone who writes for the guardian please tell john harris to go fuck himself? thanks.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 13 September 2010 14:31 (thirteen years ago) link
let's say it loud: funk is the worst musical genre ever invented, a big old stain on Brown's CV and the cause of at least four decades of grinding misery.This, I will allow, is less a matter of such trailblazing proto-funk Brown pieces as Papa's Got a Brand New Bag, Sex Machine and I Got the Feelin', as the ongoing nightmare of chronic indulgence and musical slop they undoubtedly spawned. If you doubt this, listen to the supposed high points of the genre: anything by the likes of Tower of Power, pre-disco Kool and the Gang, Cameo before they discovered pop music, or the woeful Ohio Players. And before anyone mentions the peak-period work of George Clinton, I say only this: hats off for the UFO, onstage fancy dress and occasional pearling tune, but did everything have to be so long? (I have a friend who saw Funkadelic in Manchester in 1975 - a six-hour performance, he says, that amounted to an experiment involving the limits of human endurance.)
This, I will allow, is less a matter of such trailblazing proto-funk Brown pieces as Papa's Got a Brand New Bag, Sex Machine and I Got the Feelin', as the ongoing nightmare of chronic indulgence and musical slop they undoubtedly spawned. If you doubt this, listen to the supposed high points of the genre: anything by the likes of Tower of Power, pre-disco Kool and the Gang, Cameo before they discovered pop music, or the woeful Ohio Players. And before anyone mentions the peak-period work of George Clinton, I say only this: hats off for the UFO, onstage fancy dress and occasional pearling tune, but did everything have to be so long? (I have a friend who saw Funkadelic in Manchester in 1975 - a six-hour performance, he says, that amounted to an experiment involving the limits of human endurance.)
just fuck off harris.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 13 September 2010 14:36 (thirteen years ago) link
John Hongris
― vampire headphase (a passing spacecadet), Monday, 13 September 2010 15:13 (thirteen years ago) link
was gonna
― acoleuthic, Monday, 13 September 2010 15:15 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah.
― Mark G, Monday, 13 September 2010 15:30 (thirteen years ago) link
more discussion here "funk"
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 13 September 2010 16:28 (thirteen years ago) link
that james brown piece is the worst music journalism i have ever read, and i'm not even going to click on that link again as every time i think about that piece of shit being published i just want to scream
― the cusses of 2 live crew (stevie), Sunday, 19 September 2010 11:28 (thirteen years ago) link
if i ever met this dude i would have to say, woah, you're the guy who wrote the single worst piece of music journalism ever, well done for locating the nadir of our often sinkhole-skirting artform
― the cusses of 2 live crew (stevie), Sunday, 19 September 2010 11:30 (thirteen years ago) link
i really hope you meet him!
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Sunday, 19 September 2010 13:38 (thirteen years ago) link
This article was amended on 27 September 2010. In the editing process, a sentence was changed so that Steve Bell seemed to be saying he had once "heard" Gordon Brown make a remark about mad eye deficiency to Ed Milliband. The correct original sentence has now been restored.
― The Managing Director of Being (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 28 September 2010 00:48 (thirteen years ago) link
i don't really get why a national newspaper is publishing blog posts, but i think this is the least bad blog post i remember the guardian publishing: http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/the-lay-scientist/2010/sep/24/1. will be interesting to see what the bloggers make of it.
― caek, Tuesday, 28 September 2010 12:23 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm sure that the ben goldacre nerd army is right that science reporting is worse than other specialisms, but i feel the same way about this as i did about that charlie brooker youtube viral on tv news: it's not that insightful just to point out the obvious stylistic features of news writing.
this is just facile: "This paragraph elaborates on the claim, adding weasel-words like "the scientists say" to shift responsibility for establishing the likely truth or accuracy of the research findings on to absolutely anybody else but me, the journalist."
attribution isn't "weasel words", and ffs what does he expect them to do, replicate the experiment in their newsroom?
― joe, Tuesday, 28 September 2010 12:34 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, it's pretty banal and self-congratulatory, and links to peer-reviewed papers is not where the fight is being lost. it's just when the guardian publishes a blog post that is not awful it reminds me that: jesus wept, the guardian is publishing people thinking out loud. i mean, i get that they're not going to run out of space, but they could set the bar a little higher.
― caek, Tuesday, 28 September 2010 12:37 (thirteen years ago) link
it's pretty funny. didn't read the whole thing. does sort of raise question of 'what do you want?' if the scientific finding is 'a glass of red wine every day will kill you/extend your life', then ok, blast away. but sure, journalists can't venture an opinion on scientific specialisms -- oh noes. because of course there are hundreds of scientists who are specialists across the board and can write for a wide public.
xposts
― l'avventura: pet detective (history mayne), Tuesday, 28 September 2010 12:37 (thirteen years ago) link
This paragraph contained useful information or context, but was removed by the sub-editor to keep the article within an arbitrary word limit in case the internet runs out of space.
lol
― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 28 September 2010 12:42 (thirteen years ago) link
on the subject of the article, rather than the end of civilization in the guardian, well, i guess my point would be there are far too many science articles based on press releases that are simply not interesting or important or newsworthy, so science stuff ends up as the new "and finally...". scientists, university press departments and journalists would be doing everyone a lot of favours if they stopped that.
on the few occasions when stuff actually deserves reporting (fertility? genetic engineering? science funding? solar system exploration? that's about it imo) the standard is usually pretty good, and certainly no worse than, say, economics journalism.
― caek, Tuesday, 28 September 2010 12:42 (thirteen years ago) link
the ben goldacre nerd army
these fuckin guys
― l'avventura: pet detective (history mayne), Tuesday, 28 September 2010 12:44 (thirteen years ago) link
e.g. the NYT is too self-important and po-faced as a paper, but not enabling this shit is one thing they do literally 10000000000x better than any mainstream publication in the UK.
― caek, Tuesday, 28 September 2010 12:47 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, i get what ben goldacre tries to do but he consistently overreaches in the most annoying way possible
on a sidenote the tradition of intoning the day's currency and stock index movements in even a short 25-minute newscast just confounds me. they say this stuff as if it's important to anyone - as if it's the weather. it's not the weather, it's an aggregate computation that literally means nothing 99% of the time. what is its function??? i think it's more psychic than anything else, it's like some kind of general thermometer of life or something. but i thought grown ups were sort of beyond this kind of explicitly supernatural thinking, at least in newscasts.
― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 28 September 2010 12:49 (thirteen years ago) link
― l'avventura: pet detective (history mayne), Tuesday, 28 September 2010 13:44 (3 minutes ago)
welcome to the last year of my life
― acoleuthic, Tuesday, 28 September 2010 12:50 (thirteen years ago) link
Sorry to hear the news LJ.
― My glowbo's ain't half itchy (NickB), Tuesday, 28 September 2010 12:52 (thirteen years ago) link
it's a creed that has totally taken over british science in the past couple of years. totally inflated sense of ability and relevance. suddenly if you've got a phd in astronomy you should be listened to in re: public sector pensions because, what, "evidence"? it's dreadful.
― caek, Tuesday, 28 September 2010 12:54 (thirteen years ago) link
also looooooooool martin robbins just punked everyone on my course
― acoleuthic, Tuesday, 28 September 2010 12:55 (thirteen years ago) link
well, he's right insofar as the world is not a better place for 90% of the articles on this page: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science_and_environment/.
^^^ main offender.
― caek, Tuesday, 28 September 2010 12:58 (thirteen years ago) link
hahaha I went straight for this http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-11418033
and they manage both 'troubling times' AND 'uncertain times' as subheadings :D
― acoleuthic, Tuesday, 28 September 2010 13:00 (thirteen years ago) link
'Tough' mackerel stance welcomed
glad to hear it. for years these fucking fish have been walking all over us.
― l'avventura: pet detective (history mayne), Tuesday, 28 September 2010 13:00 (thirteen years ago) link
the environment ones aren't actually that bad imo.
― caek, Tuesday, 28 September 2010 13:02 (thirteen years ago) link
but seriously:
City life 'boosts bug resistance'Neanderthals were 'keen on tech'Soyuz lands safely after delaysFossil flower 'clue to daisies'LHC finds 'interesting effects'Malaria 'caught from gorillas'