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whatever works is pretty funny. criticisms of it sorta lay in its lack of depth iirc. i know it's a seventies script etc etc etc but it's all his.

FORTIFIED STEAMED VEGETABLE BOWL (schlump), Thursday, 16 September 2010 20:54 (thirteen years ago) link

my criticism of it was that I didn't laugh. in fact, I fell asleep about halfway through iirc

Dr. Lol Evans (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 16 September 2010 20:58 (thirteen years ago) link

it was one of those things that looked great on paper and then in execution was just argggh why

Dr. Lol Evans (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 16 September 2010 20:58 (thirteen years ago) link

I have skipped a whole bunch of '00s Woody, incl Larry David and some of the ScarJos

kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 16 September 2010 21:45 (thirteen years ago) link

the new one is not bad, pretty black-hearted as usual

dabney hardman (s1ocki), Thursday, 16 September 2010 23:31 (thirteen years ago) link

are there joeks

Dr. Lol Evans (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 16 September 2010 23:40 (thirteen years ago) link

not a lot.

dabney hardman (s1ocki), Thursday, 16 September 2010 23:59 (thirteen years ago) link

his "cynicism" is so facile though

Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 17 September 2010 00:28 (thirteen years ago) link

Last one I love is Sweet & Lowdown

a cross between lily allen and fetal alcohol syndrome (milo z), Friday, 17 September 2010 00:31 (thirteen years ago) link

Alfred, I believe he calls it "realism"

kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Friday, 17 September 2010 02:31 (thirteen years ago) link

which in his rendering is really just sentimentality.

Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 17 September 2010 02:33 (thirteen years ago) link

meh, sometimes.

kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Friday, 17 September 2010 02:36 (thirteen years ago) link

his "cynicism" is so facile though

otmfm. His cynicism used to resonate, or at least raise more questions than it squelched. He was facile (this is another great word with opposite meanings) with romantic futility. Now at best it's Bergman without the courage of its own premise, and at worst it tries to be funny and painfully fails.

when you've got a fist all ur problems look like faces (kenan), Friday, 17 September 2010 02:38 (thirteen years ago) link

Poor bastard. At some point everyone's best work is behind them, and you never know when that's going to be.

when you've got a fist all ur problems look like faces (kenan), Friday, 17 September 2010 03:00 (thirteen years ago) link

at this point life is behind him.

Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 17 September 2010 03:01 (thirteen years ago) link

that's not fair -- life as he saw it was always behind him. He used to better at it, though.

when you've got a fist all ur problems look like faces (kenan), Friday, 17 September 2010 03:05 (thirteen years ago) link

"If I was speaking to the people who are protesting legitimately, I would try to convince them, if I could, that building the mosque takes a step toward eliminating this kind of thing from happening again. Preventing the mosque from being built is not a step in the right direction."

DiGiacomo asked Allen asked Allen if he has a bucket list of things he'd like to do before he dies. "Yes, and one of them is [to] live longer," the director responded. "That's at the head of the list."

http://hollywood-elsewhere.com/2010/09/earned_opinion.php

kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Friday, 17 September 2010 03:37 (thirteen years ago) link

two months pass...

75th today for the altecocker

kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 12:41 (thirteen years ago) link

still only 75 wow, that means another 50 films before going out Manoel de Oliveira style.

Ludo, Wednesday, 1 December 2010 13:00 (thirteen years ago) link

really weird to me that he's "only" 75, he seems like he's in his 90s... I mean wasnt he writing for tv in the 50s? jesus...

Princess TamTam, Wednesday, 1 December 2010 13:02 (thirteen years ago) link

i thought vicky christina barcelona was great - mainly because of penelope cruz (who i definitely didn't expect to like that much)

progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 13:20 (thirteen years ago) link

I mean wasnt he writing for tv in the 50s?

When he was about 19.

kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 14:53 (thirteen years ago) link

i thought vicky christina barcelona was great - mainly because of penelope cruz (who i definitely didn't expect to like that much)

― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, December 1, 2010 8:20 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

]and rebecca hall yall

shirley summistake (s1ocki), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 15:13 (thirteen years ago) link

here's two woody allen bday links:

great 1985-circa interview with michiko kakutani:

http://www.theparisreview.org/interviews/1550/the-art-of-humor-no-1-woody-allen

amazing overview of his pre-movie career (tv writing, standup etc):

http://blog.wfmu.org/freeform/2010/02/the-early-woody-allen-.html

shirley summistake (s1ocki), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 15:14 (thirteen years ago) link

<3 HB

ENBB, Wednesday, 1 December 2010 15:15 (thirteen years ago) link

I say this with no false modesty—that I feel I have done no really significant work, whatsoever, in any medium. I feel that unequivocally. I feel that what I have done so far in my life is sort of the ballast that is waiting to be uplifted by two or three really fine works that may hopefully come. We’ve been sitting and talking about Faulkner, say, and Updike and Bergman—I mean, I obviously can’t talk about myself in the same way at all. I feel that what I’ve done so far is the . . . the bed of lettuce the hamburger must rest on. I feel that if I could do, in the rest of my life, two or three really fine works—perhaps make a terrific film or write a fine play or something—then everything prior to that point would be interesting as developmental works. I feel that’s the status of my works—they’re a setting waiting for a jewel. But there’s no jewel there at the moment.

shirley summistake (s1ocki), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 15:18 (thirteen years ago) link

I dunno if I buy that as "sincere" but I love the desire to keep going.

absinthe of malithe (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 15:20 (thirteen years ago) link

nah, rephrase, if he means that then I think he's barking up an imaginary tree that sucks

absinthe of malithe (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 15:20 (thirteen years ago) link

He's pretty much always said this. He used to sit around with Sid Caesar going "If I could just write you one decent skit, I would be happy".

specifically, the word talking (Ned Trifle II), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 15:28 (thirteen years ago) link

He's whined like this for years. However, classic lol: "I feel that what I’ve done so far is the . . . the bed of lettuce the hamburger must rest on."

look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 15:30 (thirteen years ago) link

The college dropout intellectual in him is never going to be satisfied that he's made more good films than, say, the Marx Brothers did. (or Chaplin, at least when it comes to features)

kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 15:39 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah but it's a (false) fanboy point of view. It's great if it works as a motor for him but it doesn't mean anything beyond that.

absinthe of malithe (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 15:40 (thirteen years ago) link

what is it supposed to "mean"? it's just the way he thinks.

shirley summistake (s1ocki), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 16:32 (thirteen years ago) link

Happy Birthday! Let's hope he has a Fanny & Alexander in him..

Davek (davek_00), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 16:37 (thirteen years ago) link

tons of Mubi links, incl audio analysis from Judd Apatow :o

http://mubi.com/notebook/posts/2593

kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 19:21 (thirteen years ago) link

a jewish american writer-director of relationship comedies, talking about his fondness for woody allen?

:o indeed

rip whiney g weingarten 03/11 never forget (history mayne), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 19:41 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah, w/ the aspirations to high culture flipped.

I had such bad stomach flu today it reminded me of watching Knocked Up

kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 2 December 2010 05:18 (thirteen years ago) link

I say this with no false modesty—that I feel I have done no really significant work, whatsoever, in any medium. I feel that unequivocally. I feel that what I have done so far in my life is sort of the ballast that is waiting to be uplifted by two or three really fine works that may hopefully come. We’ve been sitting and talking about Faulkner, say, and Updike and Bergman—I mean, I obviously can’t talk about myself in the same way at all. I feel that what I’ve done so far is the . . . the bed of lettuce the hamburger must rest on. I feel that if I could do, in the rest of my life, two or three really fine works—perhaps make a terrific film or write a fine play or something—then everything prior to that point would be interesting as developmental works. I feel that’s the status of my works—they’re a setting waiting for a jewel. But there’s no jewel there at the moment.

― shirley summistake (s1ocki), Wednesday, December 1, 2010 7:18 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark

is this from the paris review interview? crazy. you know groucho marx said of allen that allen was better than the marx brothers. what other american comedian of the last fifty years could make films that are respected by jean luc godard? he's just a genius, there's no other comedian like that really.

jeevves, Thursday, 2 December 2010 10:27 (thirteen years ago) link

he was good quite a long time ago

rip whiney g weingarten 03/11 never forget (history mayne), Thursday, 2 December 2010 10:33 (thirteen years ago) link

which is fine, most artists go off the boil, but they usually disappear and don't get to be continually indulged and work with the best actors etc

rip whiney g weingarten 03/11 never forget (history mayne), Thursday, 2 December 2010 10:35 (thirteen years ago) link

Maybe 20 years of quite tremendous work, plus the same again of perfectly decent work, it's not a bad run.

absinthe of malithe (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 2 December 2010 10:35 (thirteen years ago) link

He's so very erratic now. I thought VCB was mostly great, and I found Whatever Works to be mostly so offensively dreadful.

it ain't about the sauce it's about the danger (stevie), Thursday, 2 December 2010 11:40 (thirteen years ago) link

I'd still see his next movie though.

it ain't about the sauce it's about the danger (stevie), Thursday, 2 December 2010 11:40 (thirteen years ago) link

I'm showing something to my class this morning (couldn't get to it yesterday). I usually show the universe-is-expanding scene from Annie Hall, which kills me, but 12-year-olds just don't get it. So instead I found the Gershwin opening to Manhattan on YouTube--not particularly funny, but it looks and sounds great.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyaj2P-dSi8

clemenza, Thursday, 2 December 2010 13:55 (thirteen years ago) link

it's pretty funny

shirley summistake (s1ocki), Thursday, 2 December 2010 14:38 (thirteen years ago) link

Yeah...Manhattan had such a huge effect on me when I saw it in '79 as an 18-year-old. My opinion of it has changed drastically over time--I find parts of it unwatchable now. My biggest problem is this yin and yang (which shows up in the opening monologue) between a) wanting to be a blow against pretension of all variety, and b) being very pretentious itself. But that's just me; I know that a lot people continue to count it among their favourite films ever.

clemenza, Thursday, 2 December 2010 14:58 (thirteen years ago) link

see i love that anxiety

shirley summistake (s1ocki), Thursday, 2 December 2010 15:02 (thirteen years ago) link

The blow-against-pretension half does produce one joke I always love: the merger between Commentary and Dissent.

clemenza, Thursday, 2 December 2010 15:05 (thirteen years ago) link

"comsent"

shirley summistake (s1ocki), Thursday, 2 December 2010 15:06 (thirteen years ago) link

"baseball bats work with Nazis"

kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 2 December 2010 15:15 (thirteen years ago) link


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