Is the Guardian worse than it used to be?

"Beautiful Liar" best thing on this thread so far, tbh.

Certainly I can't think of any males writers who attract zingage from ILM or E.

-- Dom Passantino, Tuesday, April 1, 2008 12:37 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

free passes all round

He might have received a more helpful response from a qualified counsellor rather than some crappy Norwegian waitress who fucked her way towards a position of pseudo-authority.

He was really offended by the answer which suggested that he had a selfish outlook on life and that he should think about having a child.

... with Mariella Frostrup

question is why laura barton is someone "readers have heard of", rather than the other somewhat more off-base gubbins.

Oh, haven't you read Offbase Gubbins' column yet? He's very talented.

Anyway, the only Guardian writers that don't get the ILx gasfaceare Marina Hide, Nancy Banks-Smith, and that one dude that killed that guy.

i've said nice things about marina hyde!

other than "would smash" i mean

I usually like Marina Hyde's column in the sports section, the G2 one can be good as well. Kevin McCarra does alright as well but I suppose we're not really talking about Guardian sports here are we?

Marina Hyde - ex-Mirror gossip columnist who had a thing going with Piers Morgan and she hasn't got over it and she takes it out on everyone she hates, mainly her readers, on a weekly basis.

Nancy Banks-Smith is one of the best writers the Guardian has.

*don't get, ie, the only ones that get any praise on here.

Richard Williams can be a bit of a twunt on occasion. Harry Pearson's a bit up himself.

And Barney Ronay is justification for freeing the Manson Family in and of himself.

Dom: of course they do, but all I am saying is that a man is never dismissed as a shit male writer.

Dingbod, you know you're sooooooo out of order. Just back away from your computer now.

...also we never hear about the career sex men have, why's that?

Sports is crap in the Guardian

"that one dude that killed that guy" Who? Lesley Grantham?

I heart Banks Smith.

"...also we never hear about the career sex men have, why's that?" Dingbod bangs on about thsi every time J Harris is mentioned!

Doesn't really matter Suze, to be honest. The guy at Faber wasn't interested either but at least he told me there and then and gave specific reasons. Means I can go on and approach other people without delay. Self-reliance innit?

...also we never hear about the career sex men have, why's that?

-- suzy, Tuesday, April 1, 2008 11:50 AM (52 seconds ago) Bookmark Link

Incorrect, there was that deleted post in one of the Graun threads about two prominent gay male music writers and a toilet.

And straight male music writers don't have sex.

"...also we never hear about the career sex men have, why's that?" Dingbod bangs on about thsi every time J Harris is mentioned! - fixed

are women dismissed as bad Women writers, rather than bad writers / filler journos / whatever? not by me. maybe by someone else - maybe I've missed it.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51RZZP0V0EL._SS500_.jpg

I've bought three of my last four girlfriends this book.

Worzel UGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH EAT MY LUNCH TWICE

four?

I've bought three of my last four girlfriends this book.

-- Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 11:55 (1 minute ago)

Pretty sure the girls I date have daddy issues too big to work as hookers.

I've bought three of my last four girlfriends this book candles.

"that one dude that killed that guy" Who? Lesley Grantham?

-- Raw Patrick, Tuesday, April 1, 2008 11:52 AM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

Patrick Kluivert. Takes over Lucy Barton's whimsical pop dribbling column in Music and Film next month.

Yes Dingbod, knowing that you can't really blame others for lack of own progress is probably a good first step, and something certain others should probably take on board themselves.

I hope Suzy is wrong that people criticize women writers for being women - that is wrong and bad, and I would never do it

but then again, there is something a bit distasteful and urine-scented about a thread full of males, all rushing to disagree with one woman about sexism

maybe more Suzy, in Guardian or elsewhere, would be a good thing

All ILX threads about the Guardian end up rather distasteful and urine-scented.

"Patrick Kluivert. Takes over Lucy Barton's whimsical pop dribbling column in Music and Film next month.

-- Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 12:00 (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Link"

I look forward to his columns about how he likes to listen to 'The Boss' and Jonathan Richman whilst running people over.

True, Alba. Although my perfumier's nose knows piss and vinegar when it smells it.

P/F: soon come, I'm sure, I have other work that is more important right now (and I should be doing it instead of procrastinating) and when you can write Guarn features in three hours with yr eyes shut, it's time to maybe find a challenge, eh?

I don't know about "lack of own progress" though.

You know, the thing's written and has been re-edited.

It's ready to go and it's doing the rounds of the publishers.

But I need someone to sell it for me because I'm clearly useless at doing so myself for reasons well you know damn well what the reasons are.

Even it were published it would mostly get slagged off by idiots.

In any case I've got far more important things to sort out at the moment so we'll just see what happens.

Even it were published it would mostly get slagged off by idiots

http://www.ilxor.com

Quite.

raw patrick deliverin' the goods

Jennifer Celeria taking over Barton's column morelike

The few times I have received 'bad reviews' as such, these were too kneejerk in nature to take seriously and mitigated by higher praise from publications or critics that were more important in the greater scheme of things, both to me and the people commissioning me.

A big part of the irritation with Chung must come from the fact that she is so young and good-looking. It seems unfair.

My predictions:

"pretentious muddle"
"blogs are not BOOKS"
"where is X, Y, Z"
"clever clever for its own sake"
"Mr Biffen must remember that the primary duty of a work of art is to amuse"

she is irritatingly thin

A big part of the irritation with Chung must come from the fact that she is so young and good-looking. It seems unfair.

-- Tracer Hand, Tuesday, April 1, 2008 1:22 PM (1 second ago) Bookmark Link

pretty heavyweight reply -- changing my perspective 180 as i type this.

she is posher than i figured tho. i didn't read the interview beyond 'i had a pony'.

BTW to my knowledge I haven't read a word of Chung nor heard anything by her, ever, but I suspect this irritation would still be there a little -- and possibly even intensified along certain axes? -- were she brilliant and thought-provoking

banriquit when I want you to change your opinion you'll know it!

I saw her at the meeting of Shoreditch High Street/Great Eastern Street but she just looked like everyone else round there so i didn't notice her till my g/f pointed her out. She was wearing a coat that I'd seen her wear on telly.

She's not that good looking, certainly not "stupidly beautiful"