I HATE APPLE

yeah, i'm in the same boat. 12" 1.5 ghz g4. it just feels ridiculous when i pick it up again

my 12" G4 is still my primary machine for everything ... i'm planning on getting a new iMac in the next month or so, but this is the best mac i've ever had/used, and it ain't going anywhere.

My point being -- ownership and permissions is some mission critical shit -- don't mess with it if you don't absolutely have to

i still recall fondly a usenet post back in ... whenever it was X came out ... from some poor bastard who'd upgraded, gone "what are all these untidy folders on my hard disk about, then?" and moved half the system about in order to "make everything neater".

sort of understandable. maybe. actually, no. dick.

"As an aside, I noted that my computer was purchased a year ago, actually a year and 3 weeks, making it out of warranty now. Every. Single. Computer. I. Have. Ever. Owned.* Has. Done. This. Do they design computers to die at warranty, in general? "

the last 2 mac laptops i've bought both f*cked up big time about 2 weeks after the warrantee expired. both. big stuff too. bastards.

not sure a pc would be better, but it would be cheaper.

I just bought a new iMac the other week there and made sure I got three years AppleCare with it after reading this thread.
It helped that I got an educational discount.

Eh, the last PC I bought did that too (glad I got the extended applecare for my current mac, it must be universal). In fact, pretty much every electronic device I've ever bought has died a few weeks after the warranty expired. PCs are cheaper though.

i'm touching all kinds of bits of wood here, but the only apple kit that's died on me is my original iPod ...

... which i did drop on a stone floor.

longest-serving thing: a PowerBook 5300 from 1996/1997. actually, i don't know where it *is* right now ... <rummage> ... ah, it's in the bottom of a drawer. still works perfectly, despite having a ceiling collapse on it some years back.

as far as those untidy folders...it was a big change. Pre OSX you know what almost everything was and where it belonged. You didn't have to "uninstall" anything, there were no obscure folders, there was just the occasional extension that you couldn't remember what it did, and if you had to troubleshoot, you could turn it off. Yeah, that sucked endlessly rebooting with different extension sets, but at least you knew what everything was without knowing much about computers. Now you've got endless amounts of files in all sorts of mysterious directories. Just saying I can't blame someone for thinking a mac should or would still be as simple as it used to be, and is supposed to be!

Also, I wonder how much of the technical problems with macs related to them stuffing components in laptops and iMacs. I hear endless complaints of physical problems, but I've owned 3 desktop macs over the years and they all lasted for years and years and years.

I've heard of an alarming number of MacBook drive deaths in the last year, way more than any other Apple laptop.

oh am i tempting fate by having had no applecare for the past two years? i mean i've only had two crashes on three macs so it seems a little superfluous

i'm so awesome

new imac is big fast and shiny

"Backing up 775,292 items"

yay!

when i get the replacement, should i use disk utility to just copy over my HD or use migration assistant? hmmm ...

use migration assist unless you did some dark voodoo shit

as far as those untidy folders...it was a big change. Pre OSX you know what almost everything was and where it belonged. You didn't have to "uninstall" anything, there were no obscure folders, there was just the occasional extension that you couldn't remember what it did, and if you had to troubleshoot, you could turn it off. Yeah, that sucked endlessly rebooting with different extension sets, but at least you knew what everything was without knowing much about computers. Now you've got endless amounts of files in all sorts of mysterious directories. Just saying I can't blame someone for thinking a mac should or would still be as simple as it used to be, and is supposed to be!

Also, I wonder how much of the technical problems with macs related to them stuffing components in laptops and iMacs. I hear endless complaints of physical problems, but I've owned 3 desktop macs over the years and they all lasted for years and years and years.

-- dan selzer, Tuesday, June 3, 2008 8:49 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Link

OS X was not preceded by MacOS; the two are only superficially connected by the now-deprecated "Classic" application and the somewhat-deprecated "Carbon" API (which is vastly outdated by Cocoa).

Apple's engineering team has been replaced by the people who did this:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6b/OPENSTEP_Workspace_Manager.jpg

I know...and you know what I mean. To all Mac users, that was the transition we had to make.

it even has a shitty home icon

s/shitty home icon/awesome early 90s style icon/

http://www.art.net/~hopkins/Don/simcity/simcity-announcement.html

man i love high end unix workstations!

whoa

http://www.art.net/~hopkins/Don/simcity/SimCity-For-X11.gif

Grab.app

I'm pretty impressed with the longevity of NeXTStep -- interface builder is 20 years old ffs

http://www.kernelthread.com/mac/vpc/images/nextstep.jpg

nice cd player guys

i'm getting quite sold on this

http://www.technologyreview.com/files/10987/0507-Next_x400.jpg

Apparently the website for GNUstep still exists. Open source NeXT-alike that was supposed to reimplement the next apis, but then OS X happened. Apparently they implemented "some" Cocoa stuff and you can cross-compile! I fully expected the website to be mothballed from a few years ago

http://www.gnustep.org/

Yeah, that was what I was referencing, obv

can i run mortal kombat on it?

I ran WindowMaker for much of 1998-2004.

I ran AfterStep for quite a while before WindowMaker came out then switched over, around the time I religiously hunted for ebay deals on a NeXT machine and pondered whether I could afford one of them off deepspacetech.com (which now apparently sells presentation boards).

I just need a gender changer and soon I will be running Solaris 10 on a SunBlade 100!

the screen on this fucking thing is too big for my brain

worth it?

repair CD drive on 12" and reinstall with latest OSX and then spring for newest shiniest iMac when school starts?

scrap 12" and drop $$$ on MBP?

the former seems like a better idea

but more $$$

I bought an external (like $60) and then sprung for this beast - newest shiniest iMac - when the lemon finally bled out.

can you live with an external optical drive until school?

I'm never owning an apple "top of the line" laptop again

whoah i didn't even know that externals were that cheap! i just want the 12" to stick around because it is tiny and awesome. i'd basically just use it for notes/email/web when on campus and leave any sort of heavy-lifting to new and shiny desktop

I learned to program properly (like not QBasic) on a NeXT workstation. Oxford Physics computing lab had rather eccentric tastes in the late 90s. Hearing the "Ping" system sound on OS X, which was the default beep on NeXT, makes me feel 18 again.

Honest to god, gen-1 NeXT keyboards are the 2nd-most RSI-matic keyboards in the world.

yeah gbx thinking about how cheap commodity peripherals actually are is one of those things mac kids are bad at because of the all-in-one package concept they trick us into. it's never bad to have a few buddies of the *nix/MS vmware-everything newegg.com bookmarker stripe

Prob is that those friends post on fark about how models' knobby knees are too ugly for their standards.

yeah gbx thinking about how cheap commodity peripherals actually are is one of those things mac kids are bad at

this is very true. i think i will be purchasing an external HD very soon, as well.

the trick is to never under any circumstances discuss women with them

all the guys I know that fit that description have wives or gfs well into the >7/10 range, actually

they even pay their taxes on time

No PgUp/PgDn buttons
No backspace key
One mouse button!

How do you work shit when you download it and it comes up as a disc image!?

sorry, no key w/ delete function...

I know it sucks, but you get those keys by pressing the function key and hitting arrows or delete.

Also, two-finger-tap as right-click is definitely one of Apple's better UI inventions.

yeah, i worked that out, just sucks having to use two hands for what was one finger previously.

what about the stuff I download?

What do you need stuff you download to do?

um, run it without it coming up as a warning it's off the internet... Move it somewhere that makes sense rather than a whole lot of fake drives (.dmg files) sitting around on the desktop...

Never used a Mac before and am totally unused to assumably simple concepts so go easy.