Eh, the last PC I bought did that too (glad I got the extended applecare for my current mac, it must be universal). In fact, pretty much every electronic device I've ever bought has died a few weeks after the warranty expired. PCs are cheaper though.
― Maria, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 09:49 (fifteen years ago) link
i'm touching all kinds of bits of wood here, but the only apple kit that's died on me is my original iPod ...
... which i did drop on a stone floor.
longest-serving thing: a PowerBook 5300 from 1996/1997. actually, i don't know where it *is* right now ... <rummage> ... ah, it's in the bottom of a drawer. still works perfectly, despite having a ceiling collapse on it some years back.
― grimly fiendish, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 09:53 (fifteen years ago) link
as far as those untidy folders...it was a big change. Pre OSX you know what almost everything was and where it belonged. You didn't have to "uninstall" anything, there were no obscure folders, there was just the occasional extension that you couldn't remember what it did, and if you had to troubleshoot, you could turn it off. Yeah, that sucked endlessly rebooting with different extension sets, but at least you knew what everything was without knowing much about computers. Now you've got endless amounts of files in all sorts of mysterious directories. Just saying I can't blame someone for thinking a mac should or would still be as simple as it used to be, and is supposed to be!
Also, I wonder how much of the technical problems with macs related to them stuffing components in laptops and iMacs. I hear endless complaints of physical problems, but I've owned 3 desktop macs over the years and they all lasted for years and years and years.
― dan selzer, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 12:49 (fifteen years ago) link
I've heard of an alarming number of MacBook drive deaths in the last year, way more than any other Apple laptop.
― stet, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 13:28 (fifteen years ago) link
oh am i tempting fate by having had no applecare for the past two years? i mean i've only had two crashes on three macs so it seems a little superfluous
― DG, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 13:28 (fifteen years ago) link
i'm so awesome
― DG, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 14:39 (fifteen years ago) link
new imac is big fast and shiny
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 17:02 (fifteen years ago) link
"Backing up 775,292 items"
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 17:03 (fifteen years ago) link
yay!
― kenan, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 17:52 (fifteen years ago) link
when i get the replacement, should i use disk utility to just copy over my HD or use migration assistant? hmmm ...
― moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 19:06 (fifteen years ago) link
use migration assist unless you did some dark voodoo shit
― Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 19:18 (fifteen years ago) link
as far as those untidy folders...it was a big change. Pre OSX you know what almost everything was and where it belonged. You didn't have to "uninstall" anything, there were no obscure folders, there was just the occasional extension that you couldn't remember what it did, and if you had to troubleshoot, you could turn it off. Yeah, that sucked endlessly rebooting with different extension sets, but at least you knew what everything was without knowing much about computers. Now you've got endless amounts of files in all sorts of mysterious directories. Just saying I can't blame someone for thinking a mac should or would still be as simple as it used to be, and is supposed to be!Also, I wonder how much of the technical problems with macs related to them stuffing components in laptops and iMacs. I hear endless complaints of physical problems, but I've owned 3 desktop macs over the years and they all lasted for years and years and years.-- dan selzer, Tuesday, June 3, 2008 8:49 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Link
-- dan selzer, Tuesday, June 3, 2008 8:49 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Link
OS X was not preceded by MacOS; the two are only superficially connected by the now-deprecated "Classic" application and the somewhat-deprecated "Carbon" API (which is vastly outdated by Cocoa).
Apple's engineering team has been replaced by the people who did this: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6b/OPENSTEP_Workspace_Manager.jpg
― Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 19:25 (fifteen years ago) link
I know...and you know what I mean. To all Mac users, that was the transition we had to make.
― dan selzer, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 19:35 (fifteen years ago) link
it even has a shitty home icon
― DG, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 19:36 (fifteen years ago) link
s/shitty home icon/awesome early 90s style icon/
http://www.art.net/~hopkins/Don/simcity/simcity-announcement.html
man i love high end unix workstations!
― Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 21:03 (fifteen years ago) link
whoa
http://www.art.net/~hopkins/Don/simcity/SimCity-For-X11.gif
― DG, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 21:06 (fifteen years ago) link
Grab.app
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 21:06 (fifteen years ago) link
I'm pretty impressed with the longevity of NeXTStep -- interface builder is 20 years old ffs
― Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 22:05 (fifteen years ago) link
http://www.kernelthread.com/mac/vpc/images/nextstep.jpg
nice cd player guys
― DG, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 22:30 (fifteen years ago) link
i'm getting quite sold on this
http://www.technologyreview.com/files/10987/0507-Next_x400.jpg
― DG, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 22:42 (fifteen years ago) link
Apparently the website for GNUstep still exists. Open source NeXT-alike that was supposed to reimplement the next apis, but then OS X happened. Apparently they implemented "some" Cocoa stuff and you can cross-compile! I fully expected the website to be mothballed from a few years ago
― mh, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 23:17 (fifteen years ago) link
http://www.gnustep.org/
― DG, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 23:18 (fifteen years ago) link
Yeah, that was what I was referencing, obv
― mh, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 23:21 (fifteen years ago) link
can i run mortal kombat on it?
― DG, Tuesday, 3 June 2008 23:23 (fifteen years ago) link
I ran WindowMaker for much of 1998-2004.
― Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 02:49 (fifteen years ago) link
I ran AfterStep for quite a while before WindowMaker came out then switched over, around the time I religiously hunted for ebay deals on a NeXT machine and pondered whether I could afford one of them off deepspacetech.com (which now apparently sells presentation boards).
― mh, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 03:03 (fifteen years ago) link
I just need a gender changer and soon I will be running Solaris 10 on a SunBlade 100!
― Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 03:11 (fifteen years ago) link
the screen on this fucking thing is too big for my brain
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 03:43 (fifteen years ago) link
worth it?
repair CD drive on 12" and reinstall with latest OSX and then spring for newest shiniest iMac when school starts?
scrap 12" and drop $$$ on MBP?
the former seems like a better idea
― gbx, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 04:19 (fifteen years ago) link
but more $$$
I bought an external (like $60) and then sprung for this beast - newest shiniest iMac - when the lemon finally bled out.
can you live with an external optical drive until school?
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 04:21 (fifteen years ago) link
I'm never owning an apple "top of the line" laptop again
whoah i didn't even know that externals were that cheap! i just want the 12" to stick around because it is tiny and awesome. i'd basically just use it for notes/email/web when on campus and leave any sort of heavy-lifting to new and shiny desktop
― gbx, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 04:24 (fifteen years ago) link
I learned to program properly (like not QBasic) on a NeXT workstation. Oxford Physics computing lab had rather eccentric tastes in the late 90s. Hearing the "Ping" system sound on OS X, which was the default beep on NeXT, makes me feel 18 again.
― caek, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 04:26 (fifteen years ago) link
Honest to god, gen-1 NeXT keyboards are the 2nd-most RSI-matic keyboards in the world.
― libcrypt, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 04:28 (fifteen years ago) link
yeah gbx thinking about how cheap commodity peripherals actually are is one of those things mac kids are bad at because of the all-in-one package concept they trick us into. it's never bad to have a few buddies of the *nix/MS vmware-everything newegg.com bookmarker stripe
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 04:31 (fifteen years ago) link
Prob is that those friends post on fark about how models' knobby knees are too ugly for their standards.
― libcrypt, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 04:35 (fifteen years ago) link
yeah gbx thinking about how cheap commodity peripherals actually are is one of those things mac kids are bad at
this is very true. i think i will be purchasing an external HD very soon, as well.
― gbx, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 04:36 (fifteen years ago) link
the trick is to never under any circumstances discuss women with them
― gbx, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 04:37 (fifteen years ago) link
all the guys I know that fit that description have wives or gfs well into the >7/10 range, actually
they even pay their taxes on time
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 04:40 (fifteen years ago) link
No PgUp/PgDn buttons No backspace key One mouse button!
How do you work shit when you download it and it comes up as a disc image!?
― S-, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 04:48 (fifteen years ago) link
sorry, no key w/ delete function...
I know it sucks, but you get those keys by pressing the function key and hitting arrows or delete.
― libcrypt, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 04:51 (fifteen years ago) link
Also, two-finger-tap as right-click is definitely one of Apple's better UI inventions.
yeah, i worked that out, just sucks having to use two hands for what was one finger previously.
what about the stuff I download?
― S-, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 04:53 (fifteen years ago) link
What do you need stuff you download to do?
― libcrypt, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 04:54 (fifteen years ago) link
um, run it without it coming up as a warning it's off the internet... Move it somewhere that makes sense rather than a whole lot of fake drives (.dmg files) sitting around on the desktop...
Never used a Mac before and am totally unused to assumably simple concepts so go easy.
― S-, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 04:56 (fifteen years ago) link
The running-without-a-warning stuff can be circumnavigated, but it requires a little applescript hacking. You should put up with it unless you are really determined to get rid of it.
Downloads should go to the "Downloads" folder in yr home folder. You can change this destination in the Safari/Firefox/whatever preferences. If you want easy access to this folder with stacks, etc., open up yr home folder and carefully drag the downloads folder to the right side of the dock. Right-click (two-finger-click or control-click) to set its display options.
― libcrypt, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 05:01 (fifteen years ago) link
Apps you download will stop sending the 'off the internet alert' once you have dragged them into the Applications folder and run them once, no hacking required.
― Ed, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 06:16 (fifteen years ago) link
wait, drag the .dmg files into the applications folder? or just the executable file? where to put the other files?
― S-, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 06:20 (fifteen years ago) link