how much of a dramatic hook does writing about such a film on commentisfree have? it seems unlikely that james joyce is weeping in heaven at the lost chance to write an article whose Eureka moment is "a film is silly".
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 11:39 (thirteen years ago) link
the core point, that the two films-about-facebook don't really deal with what's interesting/bad/creepy about facebook itself, is pretty sound? but yeah she spends way too much time going 'thesocialnetwork has quite a boring story all things considered'. It'd be more interesting if she'd managed to sum it up in a pithy paragraph the way she summed up Catfish.
― no szigeti (c sharp major), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 11:40 (thirteen years ago) link
Can't be doing with all this weeping in heaven
― Tom A. (Tom B.) (Tom C.) (Tom D.), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 11:41 (thirteen years ago) link
what does she actually like? i don't give a shit if hadley freeman thinks facebook is "a bit rubbish" cos i am almost 99 per cent certain anyone whose dislikes are tedious has nothing more interesting going on anyway.
and personally i love facebook, so there!
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 11:43 (thirteen years ago) link
the core point, that the two films-about-facebook don't really deal with what's interesting/bad/creepy about facebook itself, is pretty sound? but yeah she spends way too much time going 'thesocialnetwork has quite a boring story all things considered'. It'd be more interesting if she'd managed to sum it up in a pithy paragraph the way she summed up Catfish.― no szigeti (c sharp major), Wednesday, September 29, 2010 12:40 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
― no szigeti (c sharp major), Wednesday, September 29, 2010 12:40 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
well no, because she's (as per) gratuitously glib and dismissive; the film does deal with what's interesting/'bad'/'creepy' about fbook! but so what? it's hardly to be compared with the destruction of the world or the nazi menace.
― l'avventura: pet detective (history mayne), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 11:44 (thirteen years ago) link
ilx: guardian blog 'gratuitously glib and dismissive'
― The Managing Director of Being (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 11:45 (thirteen years ago) link
a film is more than its story, but even then: a 19-20y.o. kid inventing (?) s.thing that goes on to have half a billion users and becoming one of the world's richest men, that is sort of intrinsically interesting, before you get to what the film actually does.
― l'avventura: pet detective (history mayne), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 11:46 (thirteen years ago) link
why does guardian have blog :-(
― caek, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 11:46 (thirteen years ago) link
Everything has a blog now.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 11:47 (thirteen years ago) link
:-(
― caek, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 11:47 (thirteen years ago) link
that's kinda problem when for most newspaper film coverage, a film is its story xps
― The Managing Director of Being (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 11:48 (thirteen years ago) link
Should newspapers get more bloggy, or deactivate their blog websites and exist only in paper format?Will blogs ever be ‘as relevant’ as newspapers?Will blogs ever go to ‘print format’, or is that part of the business just a ‘huge financial burden’?
― l'avventura: pet detective (history mayne), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 11:49 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't despise her writing or anything (it is a bit meh, which is why I've really not commented either way before) but I've never seen the cuteness of which you speak - she's all thin, stringy hair, with kind of average looks. Perhaps that's just what a certain kind of guy finds unthreatening and therefore winsome.
Newspaper coverage of arts is also blighted by the whole 'media partner' phenomenon.
― are you robot? (suzy), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 11:50 (thirteen years ago) link
she's all thin, stringy hair, with kind of average looks
:(
― Tom A. (Tom B.) (Tom C.) (Tom D.), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 11:53 (thirteen years ago) link
To contrast, here is one of my colleagues at a fashion week - I could have chosen from several v. attractive peeps to make my point, but maybe I'm a bit spoiled for choice.
http://www.fashionconfidential.co.uk/~/media/FC/Test%20images/JAR%20PARIS.ashx
― are you robot? (suzy), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 11:54 (thirteen years ago) link
There's so much weirdness to unpack in the last few posts it's kind of terrifying.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 11:57 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00041/fellaini_280x420_41323a.jpg
― Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 11:57 (thirteen years ago) link
*spluttering tea over computer*
― Tom A. (Tom B.) (Tom C.) (Tom D.), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 11:58 (thirteen years ago) link
Sorry, but my colleague is hott and your footballer is nott.
― are you robot? (suzy), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 12:03 (thirteen years ago) link
Eye of the beholder innit
― Tom A. (Tom B.) (Tom C.) (Tom D.), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 12:05 (thirteen years ago) link
― are you robot? (suzy), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 12:50 (13 minutes ago)
nah she is legit cute, you've probably seen her thin stringy hair irl or else yr being unkind or str8 racist or something
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/contributor/2007/09/28/hadley_freeman_140x140.jpg
can't imagine she's unthreatening/winsome....but yeah probably not threatening
― The Managing Director of Being (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 12:07 (thirteen years ago) link
Average and ugly are not the same thing, and please shove any racism accusation back up whichever orifice of yours it was pulled from.
And then twist your fist.
― are you robot? (suzy), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 12:16 (thirteen years ago) link
jesus u retard, i trust yr not ~actually~ racist against white ppl
― The Managing Director of Being (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 12:20 (thirteen years ago) link
the guardian have really gone to town on the liveblogging, it won't be long before the kids will be saying 'if something happens but gu didn't liveblog it, did it really happen?'
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/blog/2010/sep/15/tony-blair-katie-couric/print
i know it's lol old etc but it's difficult to see how this stuff works financially
― The Managing Director of Being (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 12:23 (thirteen years ago) link
Think we're on a slippery slope when we get into "this girl is average next to <6ft tall woman with model looks>" even without the insinsuations of "oh I suppose *A CERTAIN* kind of guy finds it unthreatening". Maybe that's just me.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 12:24 (thirteen years ago) link
you gotta expect sniping if yr first reply about a piece of journalism is a ref to their cuteness, usually i'd be doing the sniping tho
― The Managing Director of Being (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 12:27 (thirteen years ago) link
No I think there are other people who find her unthreatening too
xpost
― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 12:29 (thirteen years ago) link
Normally I wouldn't condone looks-ist sniping but given Ms Hadley's own attitude and remit I think it's fair play to be honest
― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 12:30 (thirteen years ago) link
Ha how many other British cliches insinuating common sense can I throw in there
― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 12:31 (thirteen years ago) link
Never actually read a Hadley Freeman piece as far as I can tell, the bylines alone usually scream "awful space-filling G2 fodder".
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 12:33 (thirteen years ago) link
xp That response was as helpful as the racism accusation (it could be inferred from your post that anti-Semitism was at play in my appraisal of HF's looks, which makes me spit nails at 200mph). There is only one person who I'm in danger of being unkind to right now, and that's you.
Tracer - I'm normally not in the fray of who looks like what, but to be slated for essentially saying someone's 'average' is a bit silly.
MDC - my colleague has just started doing the shows and already the Streetpeepers of this world are like FOLLOW THAT FRO.
― are you robot? (suzy), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 12:34 (thirteen years ago) link
this thread is fucking horrible.
― Efraqueen Juárez (jim in glasgow), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 12:36 (thirteen years ago) link
huh i am more on-board with the 'i guess a certain type of guy finds this unthreatening' inter-ilx sniping than with the need to assert that a female journalist is Not Cute.
Is Ms Freeman particularly known for looksist sniping of her own? my abiding memory of her fashion column is the one where she talks about Christine Hamilton and dressing to please yourself.
― no szigeti (c sharp major), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 12:37 (thirteen years ago) link
nah i wasn't implying antisemitism, i don't think thin, stringy hair is in the list of antisemitic stereotypes/slurs!
― The Managing Director of Being (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 12:39 (thirteen years ago) link
I dunno, right in the first graf there she says "women think spaghetti straps are somehow sexy because they show more shoulder flesh, when in fact they just look rubbish and droopy (and that refers to both the dress and the breasts beneath it) and, frankly, cheap and nasty."
Kind of leaves the door open.
― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 12:39 (thirteen years ago) link
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3f/Puppy_Koons_Bilbao_frontal.jpg/450px-Puppy_Koons_Bilbao_frontal.jpg
agreed jim
― The Managing Director of Being (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 12:40 (thirteen years ago) link
a woman saying that spaghetti straps on heavy dresses look cheap and nasty leaves the door open to calling her stringy-haired and average-looking?
― no szigeti (c sharp major), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 12:41 (thirteen years ago) link
does not follow.
Average is good enough for me tbh
― Tom A. (Tom B.) (Tom C.) (Tom D.), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 12:42 (thirteen years ago) link
saying 'this is a style women think is going to make them look sexy but in fact it makes their breasts look awful why because of something inherent in the dress itself' is really not looks-ist.
― no szigeti (c sharp major), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 12:43 (thirteen years ago) link
I'd say calling a whole phalanx of unnamed women "cheap and nasty" in a national newspaper is somewhat worse than suzy saying her hair's stringy here. YMMV
― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 12:44 (thirteen years ago) link
um. it's the spaghetti straps that look cheap and nasty?
― no szigeti (c sharp major), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 12:45 (thirteen years ago) link
the spaghetti straps are what show more shoulder flesh, not the women.
― no szigeti (c sharp major), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 12:46 (thirteen years ago) link
i did not realise until now that one could read that any other way.
― no szigeti (c sharp major), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 12:47 (thirteen years ago) link
i am having serious difficulty trying to work out how you have managed to.
― no szigeti (c sharp major), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 12:48 (thirteen years ago) link
If handing out fashion advice to others in a national newspaper was my job (and it's not even something I do at my own style mag), best believe the hair situ in the byline photo would be under control.
― are you robot? (suzy), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 12:51 (thirteen years ago) link
im sure she's never printed a catty opinion on another woman's appearance in her life
― l'avventura: pet detective (history mayne), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 12:52 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm sure she has! but i don't think that makes it 'fair play' to be dismissive about her appearance - and i also think it's pretty clear that her fashion column tries quite hard not to be catty about other women's appearances.
Her fashion column is, by the way, unthreatening, which is no doubt why I, as someone who knows jack shit about fashion, like it.
― no szigeti (c sharp major), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 12:58 (thirteen years ago) link
think we can safely absolve h freeman of being winsome and unthreatening on this evidence anyway
― The Managing Director of Being (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 13:00 (thirteen years ago) link
Is ILX discussion of female writers worse that it used to be?
― Haunted Clocks For Sale (Dorianlynskey), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 13:04 (thirteen years ago) link