whoah i didn't even know that externals were that cheap! i just want the 12" to stick around because it is tiny and awesome. i'd basically just use it for notes/email/web when on campus and leave any sort of heavy-lifting to new and shiny desktop
― gbx, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 04:24 (fifteen years ago) link
I learned to program properly (like not QBasic) on a NeXT workstation. Oxford Physics computing lab had rather eccentric tastes in the late 90s. Hearing the "Ping" system sound on OS X, which was the default beep on NeXT, makes me feel 18 again.
― caek, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 04:26 (fifteen years ago) link
Honest to god, gen-1 NeXT keyboards are the 2nd-most RSI-matic keyboards in the world.
― libcrypt, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 04:28 (fifteen years ago) link
yeah gbx thinking about how cheap commodity peripherals actually are is one of those things mac kids are bad at because of the all-in-one package concept they trick us into. it's never bad to have a few buddies of the *nix/MS vmware-everything newegg.com bookmarker stripe
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 04:31 (fifteen years ago) link
Prob is that those friends post on fark about how models' knobby knees are too ugly for their standards.
― libcrypt, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 04:35 (fifteen years ago) link
yeah gbx thinking about how cheap commodity peripherals actually are is one of those things mac kids are bad at
this is very true. i think i will be purchasing an external HD very soon, as well.
― gbx, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 04:36 (fifteen years ago) link
the trick is to never under any circumstances discuss women with them
― gbx, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 04:37 (fifteen years ago) link
all the guys I know that fit that description have wives or gfs well into the >7/10 range, actually
they even pay their taxes on time
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 04:40 (fifteen years ago) link
No PgUp/PgDn buttons No backspace key One mouse button!
How do you work shit when you download it and it comes up as a disc image!?
― S-, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 04:48 (fifteen years ago) link
sorry, no key w/ delete function...
I know it sucks, but you get those keys by pressing the function key and hitting arrows or delete.
― libcrypt, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 04:51 (fifteen years ago) link
Also, two-finger-tap as right-click is definitely one of Apple's better UI inventions.
yeah, i worked that out, just sucks having to use two hands for what was one finger previously.
what about the stuff I download?
― S-, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 04:53 (fifteen years ago) link
What do you need stuff you download to do?
― libcrypt, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 04:54 (fifteen years ago) link
um, run it without it coming up as a warning it's off the internet... Move it somewhere that makes sense rather than a whole lot of fake drives (.dmg files) sitting around on the desktop...
Never used a Mac before and am totally unused to assumably simple concepts so go easy.
― S-, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 04:56 (fifteen years ago) link
The running-without-a-warning stuff can be circumnavigated, but it requires a little applescript hacking. You should put up with it unless you are really determined to get rid of it.
Downloads should go to the "Downloads" folder in yr home folder. You can change this destination in the Safari/Firefox/whatever preferences. If you want easy access to this folder with stacks, etc., open up yr home folder and carefully drag the downloads folder to the right side of the dock. Right-click (two-finger-click or control-click) to set its display options.
― libcrypt, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 05:01 (fifteen years ago) link
Apps you download will stop sending the 'off the internet alert' once you have dragged them into the Applications folder and run them once, no hacking required.
― Ed, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 06:16 (fifteen years ago) link
wait, drag the .dmg files into the applications folder? or just the executable file? where to put the other files?
― S-, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 06:20 (fifteen years ago) link
Run the dmg once. The app file will appear. Put the app file in your Appliccations folder. Delete the dmg file. The end.
I am confused about your keyboard problems. Are you using a laptop or a desktop?
― Alba, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 06:22 (fifteen years ago) link
Ah, I misunderstood. Follow Ed's advice (and don't run apps from the mounted DMG).
― libcrypt, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 06:24 (fifteen years ago) link
That's right.
(for what it's worth, S, I find the disk image method for adding apps the least streamlined, most clunky thing about OS X. It's not hard once you're shown what to do, but it's very hands-on and unobvious)
― Alba, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 06:25 (fifteen years ago) link
With some downloads, when you run the dmg file, it creates a handy alias (=shortcut) to the Applications folder next to the app file, with a little picture that encourages you to drag it there.
― Alba, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 06:27 (fifteen years ago) link
The uninstall method, however, makes a lot more sense than Windows. (xp)
― libcrypt, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 06:27 (fifteen years ago) link
when i get the replacement, should i use disk utility to just copy over my HD or use migration assistant? hmmm ...
-- moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, June 3, 2008 7:06 PM (Tuesday, June 3, 2008 7:06 PM) Bookmark Link
use migration assist unless you did some dark voodoo shit
-- Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Tuesday, June 3, 2008 7:18 PM (Tuesday, June 3, 2008 7:18 PM) Bookmark Link
suppose i don't want to bother re-inputting all of my old software licenses?
― moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 06:29 (fifteen years ago) link
Migration Assistant took care of every license I transferred to my new Mac last week except for Little Snitch, I think.
― libcrypt, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 06:31 (fifteen years ago) link
I'm still confused about your keyboard problems. You talk about having a mouse, which suggests you're on a desktop machine, but full-size Mac keyboards do have a delete key. And even MacBook keyboards have page up/down keys (in the bottom right corner)
― Alba, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 06:31 (fifteen years ago) link
Migration Assistant works surprisingly well. It's not perfect, but pretty damned good.
xp: S- is unhappy about the lack of single-key pgup/pgdown, etc.
― libcrypt, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 06:32 (fifteen years ago) link
Oh yeah, I forgot. On a MacBook you need to use the Fn key with them to make them behave as page up/down.
― Alba, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 06:33 (fifteen years ago) link
Is a bit rubbish, I agree.
-- libcrypt
me too ... except for mathematica GRRRRRRRRR
― moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 06:34 (fifteen years ago) link
Also hard to pgup/pgdown with one hand so if S- is into single-handed computing for some reason I cannot fathom then this presents singular difficulty.
― libcrypt, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 06:34 (fifteen years ago) link
Ha ha.
Assuming that you are on a MacBook then, S, one thing you might not have realised about a Mac trackpad is that if you use two fingers at once on it, the page will scroll up, instead of the mouse pointer moving.
― Alba, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 06:36 (fifteen years ago) link
okay well the problem with writing to my external drive is that it's ntfs formatted, duh. i'll have to take it to work to dump the 500gb of media on it to our raid, reformat it there, and fill it back up. OH FUN.
― akm, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 06:36 (fifteen years ago) link
Mathematica's licensing (unless it's changed recently) has been tied to particulars of the hardware. Some versions (back in 1996 or so) would require re-licensing if you merely upgraded a disk.
― libcrypt, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 06:36 (fifteen years ago) link
akm, if you want to dally with MacFUSE, you might get R/W NTFS on OS X. Bit of a chance, but maybe it's stable.
― libcrypt, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 06:37 (fifteen years ago) link
We also have some exciting and useful file systems for you to download, such as sshfs, procfs, SpotlightFS, AccessibilityFS, and YouTubeFS.
lol youtubefs
― libcrypt, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 06:42 (fifteen years ago) link
Yeah sorry, it's an MBP, and as for the one hand computer control, it's usually because of drinking/smoking/eating/doing some serious slouching.
I've gone through the two finger tricks, including the goatse style pull apart to change text size. I'm just pissed that there's three keys dedicated to volume when I would rather page/document navigation aids.
I'll have another go at the program installation stuff tonight. so after you've clicked on whatever's in the .dmg you 'eject' it?
― S-, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 06:55 (fifteen years ago) link
and as for the one hand computer control, it's usually because of drinking/smoking/eating/doing some serious slouching.
^ is that your word for it?
― moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 07:07 (fifteen years ago) link
yeah, macFUSE is probably too beta for me to be fucking around with, easier to leverage my work storage resources for my mp3 collection for a few hours.
― akm, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 07:08 (fifteen years ago) link
Just Apple (aka Command) key with backspace should do it. Maybe Apple-E (eject) works too. Can't remember.
― Alba, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 07:09 (fifteen years ago) link
yeh, you must be right -- but there's absolutely no sign of cosmetic damage at all. and the fact that every other track is fine (or is it? perhaps there is other damage i'm not hearing) suggests the damage is intrinsic rather than physical, if that makes sense. i wonder if there was a fucked-up batch? actually ... it was a limited-edition pressing anyway ("the golden hour of the future", if anyone cares), so perhaps the whole lot were badly done somehow. (i know nothing about CD mastering and pressing.)
My copy did the exact same thing too, three years ago! Too funny. There was no apparent damage on the disc, and it was one track. I ended up getting it somehow but don't remember.
― naus, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 07:17 (fifteen years ago) link
okay wait, so you just shift the executable file from the disc image into 'Applications' or where ever? that's it?
― S-, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 08:52 (fifteen years ago) link
Yes, for most applications in OS that is the limit of installation required. (Applications in OS X are packages, effectively directories, and keep their junk within themselves maybe writing the occasional thing to the user or system libraries)
― Ed, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 08:54 (fifteen years ago) link
that's kind of cool, doesn't make up for the fact that the little red button at the top doesn't actually close the application, just the window.
And the spaces/expose thing is very cool to look at, but takes longer to use (and so is kinda pointless eye candy) than good old alt-tab. oh okay there's command-tab.
Thanks Ed. Where does the crap all go then? I'm looking at the Macintosh HD directory and there's nothing obvious. What if I want to hard delete stuff, or hopefully I shouldn't have to on a Mac?
Can't wait 'til I get XP on this thing...
and a proper mouse/keyboard.
― S-, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 08:57 (fifteen years ago) link
To uninstall an application just drag it to the trash, there may be a few user pref in ~/Library/Preferences or /Library/Preferences and some cache files but not much else. Leopard Cache Cleaner is a useful tool for de crapping these places.
I hate that in windows that the X closes the application and not the window.
Horses for courses i guess.
Will you be running XP in bootcamp or virtualised?
― Ed, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 09:01 (fifteen years ago) link
um, the real way, from startup... bootcamp I suppose?
― S-, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 09:03 (fifteen years ago) link
Don't discount Virtualisation (VMWare, Parallels) It is neat being able to copy paste between windows and Mac applications.
― Ed, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 09:08 (fifteen years ago) link
is it possible (or make sense) to do both?
brute performance in XP is a consideration...
― S-, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 09:13 (fifteen years ago) link
I have a separate bootable XP partition on my imac so that it run at full power, but I can also use that version of XP within parallels if I need to access some of it's software when I'm working in OSX.
― treefell, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 09:22 (fifteen years ago) link
I hate that in windows that the X closes the application and not the window
hah, me too. mind, the more i use windows (boo for my fucking job), the more i find to hate.
― grimly fiendish, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 10:26 (fifteen years ago) link