I HATE APPLE

Honest to god, gen-1 NeXT keyboards are the 2nd-most RSI-matic keyboards in the world.

yeah gbx thinking about how cheap commodity peripherals actually are is one of those things mac kids are bad at because of the all-in-one package concept they trick us into. it's never bad to have a few buddies of the *nix/MS vmware-everything newegg.com bookmarker stripe

Prob is that those friends post on fark about how models' knobby knees are too ugly for their standards.

yeah gbx thinking about how cheap commodity peripherals actually are is one of those things mac kids are bad at

this is very true. i think i will be purchasing an external HD very soon, as well.

the trick is to never under any circumstances discuss women with them

all the guys I know that fit that description have wives or gfs well into the >7/10 range, actually

they even pay their taxes on time

No PgUp/PgDn buttons
No backspace key
One mouse button!

How do you work shit when you download it and it comes up as a disc image!?

sorry, no key w/ delete function...

I know it sucks, but you get those keys by pressing the function key and hitting arrows or delete.

Also, two-finger-tap as right-click is definitely one of Apple's better UI inventions.

yeah, i worked that out, just sucks having to use two hands for what was one finger previously.

what about the stuff I download?

What do you need stuff you download to do?

um, run it without it coming up as a warning it's off the internet... Move it somewhere that makes sense rather than a whole lot of fake drives (.dmg files) sitting around on the desktop...

Never used a Mac before and am totally unused to assumably simple concepts so go easy.

The running-without-a-warning stuff can be circumnavigated, but it requires a little applescript hacking. You should put up with it unless you are really determined to get rid of it.

Downloads should go to the "Downloads" folder in yr home folder. You can change this destination in the Safari/Firefox/whatever preferences. If you want easy access to this folder with stacks, etc., open up yr home folder and carefully drag the downloads folder to the right side of the dock. Right-click (two-finger-click or control-click) to set its display options.

Apps you download will stop sending the 'off the internet alert' once you have dragged them into the Applications folder and run them once, no hacking required.

wait, drag the .dmg files into the applications folder? or just the executable file? where to put the other files?

Run the dmg once. The app file will appear. Put the app file in your Appliccations folder. Delete the dmg file. The end.

I am confused about your keyboard problems. Are you using a laptop or a desktop?

Ah, I misunderstood. Follow Ed's advice (and don't run apps from the mounted DMG).

That's right.

(for what it's worth, S, I find the disk image method for adding apps the least streamlined, most clunky thing about OS X. It's not hard once you're shown what to do, but it's very hands-on and unobvious)

With some downloads, when you run the dmg file, it creates a handy alias (=shortcut) to the Applications folder next to the app file, with a little picture that encourages you to drag it there.

The uninstall method, however, makes a lot more sense than Windows. (xp)

when i get the replacement, should i use disk utility to just copy over my HD or use migration assistant? hmmm ...

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use migration assist unless you did some dark voodoo shit

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suppose i don't want to bother re-inputting all of my old software licenses?

Migration Assistant took care of every license I transferred to my new Mac last week except for Little Snitch, I think.

I'm still confused about your keyboard problems. You talk about having a mouse, which suggests you're on a desktop machine, but full-size Mac keyboards do have a delete key. And even MacBook keyboards have page up/down keys (in the bottom right corner)

Migration Assistant works surprisingly well. It's not perfect, but pretty damned good.

xp: S- is unhappy about the lack of single-key pgup/pgdown, etc.

Oh yeah, I forgot. On a MacBook you need to use the Fn key with them to make them behave as page up/down.

Is a bit rubbish, I agree.

Migration Assistant took care of every license I transferred to my new Mac last week except for Little Snitch, I think.

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me too ... except for mathematica GRRRRRRRRR

Also hard to pgup/pgdown with one hand so if S- is into single-handed computing for some reason I cannot fathom then this presents singular difficulty.

Ha ha.

Assuming that you are on a MacBook then, S, one thing you might not have realised about a Mac trackpad is that if you use two fingers at once on it, the page will scroll up, instead of the mouse pointer moving.

okay well the problem with writing to my external drive is that it's ntfs formatted, duh. i'll have to take it to work to dump the 500gb of media on it to our raid, reformat it there, and fill it back up. OH FUN.

Mathematica's licensing (unless it's changed recently) has been tied to particulars of the hardware. Some versions (back in 1996 or so) would require re-licensing if you merely upgraded a disk.

akm, if you want to dally with MacFUSE, you might get R/W NTFS on OS X. Bit of a chance, but maybe it's stable.

We also have some exciting and useful file systems for you to download, such as sshfs, procfs, SpotlightFS, AccessibilityFS, and YouTubeFS.

lol youtubefs

Yeah sorry, it's an MBP, and as for the one hand computer control, it's usually because of drinking/smoking/eating/doing some serious slouching.

I've gone through the two finger tricks, including the goatse style pull apart to change text size. I'm just pissed that there's three keys dedicated to volume when I would rather page/document navigation aids.

I'll have another go at the program installation stuff tonight. so after you've clicked on whatever's in the .dmg you 'eject' it?

and as for the one hand computer control, it's usually because of drinking/smoking/eating/doing some serious slouching.

^ is that your word for it?

yeah, macFUSE is probably too beta for me to be fucking around with, easier to leverage my work storage resources for my mp3 collection for a few hours.

I'll have another go at the program installation stuff tonight. so after you've clicked on whatever's in the .dmg you 'eject' it?

Just Apple (aka Command) key with backspace should do it. Maybe Apple-E (eject) works too. Can't remember.

yeh, you must be right -- but there's absolutely no sign of cosmetic damage at all. and the fact that every other track is fine (or is it? perhaps there is other damage i'm not hearing) suggests the damage is intrinsic rather than physical, if that makes sense. i wonder if there was a fucked-up batch? actually ... it was a limited-edition pressing anyway ("the golden hour of the future", if anyone cares), so perhaps the whole lot were badly done somehow. (i know nothing about CD mastering and pressing.)

My copy did the exact same thing too, three years ago! Too funny. There was no apparent damage on the disc, and it was one track. I ended up getting it somehow but don't remember.

okay wait, so you just shift the executable file from the disc image into 'Applications' or where ever? that's it?

Yes, for most applications in OS that is the limit of installation required. (Applications in OS X are packages, effectively directories, and keep their junk within themselves maybe writing the occasional thing to the user or system libraries)

that's kind of cool, doesn't make up for the fact that the little red button at the top doesn't actually close the application, just the window.

And the spaces/expose thing is very cool to look at, but takes longer to use (and so is kinda pointless eye candy) than good old alt-tab. oh okay there's command-tab.

Thanks Ed. Where does the crap all go then? I'm looking at the Macintosh HD directory and there's nothing obvious. What if I want to hard delete stuff, or hopefully I shouldn't have to on a Mac?

Can't wait 'til I get XP on this thing...

and a proper mouse/keyboard.

To uninstall an application just drag it to the trash, there may be a few user pref in ~/Library/Preferences or /Library/Preferences and some cache files but not much else. Leopard Cache Cleaner is a useful tool for de crapping these places.

I hate that in windows that the X closes the application and not the window.

Horses for courses i guess.

Will you be running XP in bootcamp or virtualised?

um, the real way, from startup... bootcamp I suppose?

Don't discount Virtualisation (VMWare, Parallels) It is neat being able to copy paste between windows and Mac applications.

is it possible (or make sense) to do both?

brute performance in XP is a consideration...

I have a separate bootable XP partition on my imac so that it run at full power, but I can also use that version of XP within parallels if I need to access some of it's software when I'm working in OSX.

I hate that in windows that the X closes the application and not the window

hah, me too. mind, the more i use windows (boo for my fucking job), the more i find to hate.

I've gone through the two finger tricks, including the goatse style pull apart to change text size. I'm just pissed that there's three keys dedicated to volume when I would rather page/document navigation aids.

Space and shift-space work for paging down and up in most web browsers and a lot of applications where you're not editing text (i.e. not Word, TextEdit, etc.).

And the spaces/expose thing is very cool to look at, but takes longer to use (and so is kinda pointless eye candy) than good old alt-tab. oh okay there's command-tab.

Yeah, it's mostly useless apart from in the rare occasion when you "lose" a window, which is perhaps more common on Mac because it doesn't encourage you to maximize all windows so they cover the entire screen. The only bit of it I use is F11 regularly (this might have moved on newer hardware), which quickly gets everything out of the way so that you can see the desktop. It's better than Windows-M on Windows because, when you release F11/press it again, everything goes back to how it was.