the who also imo
― balls, Tuesday, 5 October 2010 20:26 (thirteen years ago) link
not hating on Ringo but i could see the Beatles being more or less the Beatles without him
this is so wrong
― In "Bob" There Is No East or West (WmC), Tuesday, 5 October 2010 20:27 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah 'ringo drum fill' is easily in my top five 'these dudes are are trying to sound like the beatles' cliches
― balls, Tuesday, 5 October 2010 20:29 (thirteen years ago) link
― balls, i think Kenny Jones was just a bad fit, not a weak musician
― ....some kind of psychedelic wallflower (outdoor_miner), Tuesday, 5 October 2010 20:33 (thirteen years ago) link
12. Velvet Underground
lol beaten to the challop - I knew someone would do this!
― crude interloper of a once august profession (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 5 October 2010 20:34 (thirteen years ago) link
Xp "She said she said" and "a day in the life" woulda been totally different
― billstevejim, Tuesday, 5 October 2010 20:34 (thirteen years ago) link
12. Velvet Undergroundmeant that they improved once moe joined the band, replacing angus maclise.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 5 October 2010 20:37 (thirteen years ago) link
neutral milk hotel
― balls, Tuesday, 5 October 2010 20:42 (thirteen years ago) link
Gay Dad
― Harrison Buttwhistle (NickB), Tuesday, 5 October 2010 20:43 (thirteen years ago) link
Flaming Lips
― tylerw, Tuesday, 5 October 2010 20:45 (thirteen years ago) link
Gay dad otm
― billstevejim, Tuesday, 5 October 2010 20:47 (thirteen years ago) link
Black Uhuru?
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 5 October 2010 20:50 (thirteen years ago) link
and straight up, Ringo plays on the first Beatles single, so I don't know how much Pete Best you've actually heard
― dro™ (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, October 5, 2010 1:21 PM Bookmark
a couple tracks and he was terrible
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 5 October 2010 20:52 (thirteen years ago) link
Slayer, a few times
ehh, they technically only did once, and it's not like Bostaph was any slouch, he was just much inferior to Lombardo...although I did 'LOL' while reading a Lombardo interview where he criticized the speed degradation in Bostaph's opening drum solo on "Killing Fields", capping it with "and they were criticizing MY drumming!"
Jon Dette never appeared on a studio album -- so he doesn't really count for argument's sake. Then they traded Bostaph for Lombardo which was a re-upgrade.
― it takes a nation of will.i.ams to hold us back (San Te), Tuesday, 5 October 2010 20:56 (thirteen years ago) link
Mayhem
― it takes a nation of will.i.ams to hold us back (San Te), Tuesday, 5 October 2010 21:01 (thirteen years ago) link
the gerbils
― balls, Tuesday, 5 October 2010 21:01 (thirteen years ago) link
i can't actually think of that many bands who traded *down* on drummers.
Tony Allen leaving Fela Kuti's band definitely made the music worse.
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 5 October 2010 21:24 (thirteen years ago) link
3. The Who (Zack Starky > Kenny Jones, at least for this band)
Actually, Simon Philips replaced Jones for the 1989 tour. Starkey replaced Philips, and it was still just as massive an improvement.
― Sterling-Kinney (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 5 October 2010 21:27 (thirteen years ago) link
james brown (up and then down, down, down)
― the parking garage has more facebook followers than my band (Jordan), Tuesday, 5 October 2010 21:29 (thirteen years ago) link
wait, who are you counting there? starks -> stubblefield?
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 5 October 2010 21:33 (thirteen years ago) link
From wikipedia entry on josh freese (which ones got better after he arrived?):
A Perfect Circle, Nine Inch Nails, Devo, The Vandals Sting Paul Westerberg Guns N' Roses Ween The Offspring Weezer Desert SessionsAshes Divide
― Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 5 October 2010 21:35 (thirteen years ago) link
i was thinking famous flames (with maceo's brother melvin i think?) going into clyde & jabo. the drumming on the early stuff is great too, but not as iconic as when the music changed.
― the parking garage has more facebook followers than my band (Jordan), Tuesday, 5 October 2010 21:43 (thirteen years ago) link
Nirvana would never have been Nirvana as we know them w/o Grohl
whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat no
― oh, winklevoss (crüt), Tuesday, 5 October 2010 21:45 (thirteen years ago) link
ah ok, got your back there xp
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 5 October 2010 21:45 (thirteen years ago) link
not sure how that's controversial, crut
x-post Smashing Pumpkins traded down, for sure.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 5 October 2010 21:47 (thirteen years ago) link
Chamberlin >> Kenny Aronoff and Joey Waronker and other dude c. "Adore."
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 5 October 2010 21:48 (thirteen years ago) link
XP - Elvis Costello. Needs explaining, who took over from Pete Thomas, Jim Keltner or someone?
― MyFatherWillGuideMeUpARopeToYourMum (MaresNest), Tuesday, 5 October 2010 21:52 (thirteen years ago) link
simon & garfunkel
― goole, Tuesday, 5 October 2010 21:54 (thirteen years ago) link
jimmy hendrix (going from mitchell to miles)
― the parking garage has more facebook followers than my band (Jordan), Tuesday, 5 October 2010 21:55 (thirteen years ago) link
hmmm i disagree...miles in def a "better" drummer i guess, chopswise for sure, but do NOT think that hendrix's work got better after
― 50.bison (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 5 October 2010 21:59 (thirteen years ago) link
Elvis Costello. Needs explaining, who took over from Pete Thomas, Jim Keltner or someone?
― MyFatherWillGuideMeUpARopeToYourMum (MaresNest), Tuesday, October 5, 2010 5:52 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i think the trading up there is Pete Thomas from the Clover drummer who played on My Aim Is True
― some dude, Tuesday, 5 October 2010 22:01 (thirteen years ago) link
how many of the clover dudes ended up in the news?
― 50.bison (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 5 October 2010 22:02 (thirteen years ago) link
the breeders traded down on drummers burt got debatably better?
― Fartbritz Sootzveti (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 5 October 2010 22:04 (thirteen years ago) link
although that guy wasn't bad really -- there was a funny bit when The Police where on Elvis's show on the Sundance channel and Stewart Copeland complimented Pete on a great fill on "Watching The Detectives" and Pete had to admit it wasn't him. (xpost)
― some dude, Tuesday, 5 October 2010 22:05 (thirteen years ago) link
oh, who played on "watching the detectives"? such great drumming.
but do NOT think that hendrix's work got better after
controversial i know (pretty sure this still gets argued about in high school cafeterias?) but i love the band of gypsies shit.
― the parking garage has more facebook followers than my band (Jordan), Tuesday, 5 October 2010 22:11 (thirteen years ago) link
Traded down:Jeff Beck Group (from the otherworldly Mickey Waller to the meh Tony Newman)Lynyrd Skynyrd (from the "Holy shit, he really WAS locked in a barn with Leon Wilkeson for 8 hours a day!" Bob Burns to the relatively scatterbrained Artimus Pyle)
― Sterling-Kinney (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 5 October 2010 22:31 (thirteen years ago) link
x-post Actually, "Watching the Detectives" is Steve Goulding (of the Rumor, later the Gang of Four and Mekons) on drums, no slouch!
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 5 October 2010 22:38 (thirteen years ago) link
Metallica, for that one UK festival gig when Lars was taken ill and they got Lombardo and the Slipknot guy to fill inKing Crimson when Bruford joinedum, Marillion
― the same relation to machines as that which machines have to man (Matt #2), Tuesday, 5 October 2010 22:49 (thirteen years ago) link
Grateful Dead
― Can You Tape? Learn the rules. (herb albert), Tuesday, 5 October 2010 23:15 (thirteen years ago) link
Spinal Tap--first they got better, then they got worse, then they got much worse, then they got much better, then they got worse, then they got better, then they got worse.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 5 October 2010 23:22 (thirteen years ago) link
unwound
― charlie h, Tuesday, 5 October 2010 23:32 (thirteen years ago) link
The Fall
― Mark, Wednesday, 6 October 2010 00:23 (thirteen years ago) link
I will admit that Springsteen got better after Max joined, but I always like Vini better (wouldn't have worked w/ later style though).
― Mark, Wednesday, 6 October 2010 00:25 (thirteen years ago) link
I always wanted to hear more of Ernest "Boom" Carter; supposedly there's some live recordings with him in the lineup that are insane.
― Sterling-Kinney (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 6 October 2010 00:32 (thirteen years ago) link
not really...not hating on Ringo but i could see the Beatles being more or less the Beatles without him
adding to the nahs, and also saying that the Clash is a better answer than Nirvana
when did Freese play with Ween? a one-off fill-in after Claude's car accident?
― bitchmaid (sic), Wednesday, 6 October 2010 03:15 (thirteen years ago) link
NEW YORK DOLLS
― Trip Maker, Wednesday, 6 October 2010 03:38 (thirteen years ago) link
The Sisters Of Mercy. Andrew Eldritch drummed on The Damage Done, their first single, but then Doktor Avalanche, their drum machine, took over and they got a lot better.
― StanM, Wednesday, 6 October 2010 03:42 (thirteen years ago) link
King Crimson didn't get better with Bruford, they just got different. The first Crimson album is awesome.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 6 October 2010 04:17 (thirteen years ago) link
Swans, probably. Roli Mosimann wasn't on the first EP but took on sticksman duties for the first LP.
― margana (anagram), Wednesday, 6 October 2010 08:54 (thirteen years ago) link
Jefferson airplane Spencer Dryden replaces Skip Spence after the first lp. Spence goes off to play guitar in Moby Grape then melts down.Dryden is one of my favourite drummers. Band goes off the boil when he's replaced .
Deep Wound become Dinosaur when J gives up drums to play guitar and Murph from All White Jury joins on drums.
Does George Hurley come in to play drums transforming the Reactionaries into the Minutemen or are there further changes.
Budgie joins Siouxsie and the Banshees to replace a departed drummer and the psychedelic period starts. Though coincides with John Mcgeoch coming in on guitar.Budgie's come in from recording drums on the Slits lp Cut. Not sure if he's an improvement per se there. Palmolove had a ramshackle thing that went with the band's early ethos and direction changes a bit.Previous Banshee drummer replaced SidVicious in original line up. I think he had tried not to be heard and only lasted one performance. Replacement lasts 1st 2 lps which are pretty decent.
― Stevolende, Tuesday, 14 August 2018 23:43 (five years ago) link
― Mark, Wednesday, 6 October 2010 00:23 (seven years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Which drummer though? Personally I thought Karl Burns' drumming on "Live at the Witch Trials" was hideously flashy and bombastic, they improved when they went to tippy-tappy rockabilly drummer Mike Leigh, improved again when they went to super solid Paul Hanley, arguably impoved again when Burns rejoined and they had the two drummer line up... and that's only the first 4 years.
― Scottish Country Twerking (Tom D.), Tuesday, 14 August 2018 23:53 (five years ago) link
Echo and the Bunnymen, hurf hurf.
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Tuesday, 14 August 2018 23:58 (five years ago) link
Miles Davis kind of "traded up" just by refreshing his sound. challenging himself with different drummers: Jimmy Cobb, Philly Joe Jones, Tony Williams, Jack De Johnette, Al Foster, Ricky Wellman etc are each so distinctive---Wellman was from Chuck Brown's Soul Searchers, of the DC go-go community. Of course he changed a lot otherwise, but wouldn't have worked as well without just the right drummer for the phase.
― dow, Wednesday, 15 August 2018 00:21 (five years ago) link
Interpol. the first demo of PDA (circa '98-99) isn't on youtube anymore but it's just awful. the Fukd ID #3 ep or whatever.
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 15 August 2018 05:35 (five years ago) link
pretty reliable pattern:
band changes drummers early on (especially before first record) = they get betterband changes drummers years into career = they get worse
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 15 August 2018 05:43 (five years ago) link
Seems otm mostly. Sure some people will be posting exceptions come the morrow
― Blecch, where is thy Zing? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 15 August 2018 06:10 (five years ago) link
Yeah, I had another thread with that converse, bands that got worse when they got a new drummer.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 15 August 2018 11:32 (five years ago) link
I've just remembered Stuart Cable's dead. That cheered me up.
― Already WSed last summer (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, October 5, 2010 10:21 PM (seven years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
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― lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 15 August 2018 11:42 (five years ago) link
Got worse Jefferson airplane to Joey covington. Went from one of my favourite drummers to somebody I just find leaden.
― Stevolende, Wednesday, 15 August 2018 11:56 (five years ago) link
Sonic youth
Which change are you thinking of? I'm a stan but I don't agree that the Shelley-era albums are better than Bad Moon Rising (Bob Bert) or Confusion Is Sex (Jim Sclavunos and Bert), although there are a lot more of them. I do think the band got better after Jim Sclavunos replaced Richard Edson (after the first EP), although I'm not even sure how much that has to do with the drums.
― The inexorable rise of identity condiments (Sund4r), Wednesday, 15 August 2018 12:30 (five years ago) link
The Germs
― empire bro-lesque (morrisp), Wednesday, 15 August 2018 14:21 (five years ago) link
the wholed zeppelinspinal tap
― ghost beef (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 15 August 2018 14:28 (five years ago) link
many would say oasis but i'm a tony mccarroll diehard, fuiud
Mayhem, easily. like, I love the Deathcrush EP with my whole heart, but the weakass drum patterns Manheim came up with for the titular song suck ass. they couldn't have done De Mysteriis with that dude.
once you hear versions of the song "Death Crush" that the piece of shit Hellhammer played on, it intensifies the song even more. though he's definitely fucked with his drum parts over the years for that one
― Rhoda from Steubenville (Neanderthal), Thursday, 23 January 2020 04:58 (four years ago) link