Let's List Acts That Got Better Once They Got A New Drummer

Love - Michael Stuart drums on Forever Changes, which is miles better than what came before.

He drummed on "Da Capo", didn't he? Admittedly he was better than Snoopy.

i can't actually think of that many bands who traded *down* on drummers.

Mothers after Jimmy Carl Black + Art Tripp were shown the door (IMO)

I disagree -- Aynsley Dunbar was the best part of the shitty Flo & Eddie era.

Mothers got tons of better drummers, but def did not become a better band by any means

the awesome Chili Peppers run of Mother's Milk/Bloodsugarsexmagik is def a huge part to Chad Smith being a fucking rhino on the drums

Roxy band better than any other Zappa line-up and made better music.

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Bozzio is def the illest drummer they ever had but nothing can remotely touch the first nine studio records

There were so many FZ drummers and their roles involved so much more than their drumming (except for Chester/Ralph) that it's kind of a moot point here. I think the only big qualitative change was a dropoff from Vinnie C. to Chad W.

Putting Roxy era Zappa over Mothers is like saying Tool better than Sun Ra

"Tool is better than Sun Ra" = idiocy
"I like Tool better than Sun Ra" = ok whatever have a nice life but get away

ps I like the composing/arranging better on the orig Mothers records but I like the playing better on the 73-74 band.

I'd take Apostrophe & Overnite Sensation over any of the Mothers stuff. Pretty much apples v. oranges, though.

Metallica, for that one UK festival gig when Lars was taken ill and they got Lombardo and the Slipknot guy to fill in

thank you for directing me to this clip

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRPOE7-1vAU

Great clip!

Sounds like a "Metallica Shreds" version to me, this band is AWFUL.

Tom Petty traded down from Stan Lynch to dependable session dude Steve Ferrone IMO. Lynch just had a fuckton of personality that Ferrone doesn't.

I think the Chili Peppers traded up from Jack Irons (pre-1st album) to Cliff Martinez and then back down to Irons.

http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/8305/screenshot20101006at106.png

That dude is clearly more in awe of Lombardo than Hetfield, who's singing like he's 5 years into an off-strip Vegas run.

Hetfield's certainly got a post-music career as a circus barker or an auctioneer though

Traded up:
The Clash w/Topper
Stereolab w/Andy
The Church w/Tim (sorry Richard!)

Traded down:
Spiritualized (Jon Mattock is what makes LGM)
Roxy Music w/o Paul Thompson
Devo w/o Alan Myers
R.E.M.
The Damned w/o Rat

Elvis T otm

Traded down because of gruesome death:
Booker T and the MGs w/Anton Fig

Not only did Booker T & the MGs trade down, they traded down as far as was humanly possible. I honestly can't think of a worse drummer for that band.

Aynsley Dunbar was the best part of the shitty Flo & Eddie era

This is true

The Birthday Party. Didn't really wow me until the Bad Seed EP. Mick Harvey is one of my fave drummers of all time.

I don't think Buddy Miles had better chops than Mitch Mitchell; on the contrary. Miles laid down a heavier beat, but Mitchell was more distinctive. As above re: Ringo's fills, where would those Hendrix songs be without the Mitchell fills? (OK, still in the stratosphere, but...). Still, I actually prefer Miles in a lot of ways.

Steve Goulding anecdote: he was packing boxes in our warehouse while a Costello CDs played. "Watching the Detectives" came on, and he muttered something, which turned out to be: "I got 60 quid for that. It was a demo". We checked the CD, and he got a writing credit on the track.

Hmm, he should pursue the publisher then.

The Birthday Party. Didn't really wow me until the Bad Seed EP.

Phil Calvert was a fantastic drummer!

Who was most recently playing with Steely Dan before Carlock? Or were they just not touring and using a bunch of different session guys?

Carlock is on the last couple of records. I think Dennis Chambers toured with them a bit, as did Peter Erskine.

Booker T. traded back up again, eventually, by bringing in Keltner, though it's never been the same.

Random list I found of the 30 Richest Drummers. Criteria for estimate:

The figures contained in this list were acquired from all publicly available information including salaries, real estate holdings, divorces, record sales, royalties and endorsements. The final net worths come from a formula that takes out taxes, manager’s fees, agents’ fees, and lifestyle.

The 30 Richest Drummers in the World:

#1: Ringo Starr Net Worth – $300 Million (The Beatles)
#2: Phil Collins Net Worth – $250 Million (Solo, Genesis)
#3: Dave Grohl Net Worth – $225 Million (Nirvana, Foo Fighters)
#4: Don Henley Net Worth – $200 Million (The Eagles)
#5: Lars Ulrich Net Worth – $175 Million (Metallica)
#6: Charlie Watts Net Worth – $160 Million (The Rolling Stones)
#7: Larry Mullen Jr Net Worth – $150 Million (U2)
#8: Roger Taylor Net Worth – $105 Million (Queen)
#9: Joey Kramer Net Worth – $100 Million (Aerosmith)
#10: Chad Smith Net Worth – $90 Million (The Red Hot Chili Peppers)
#11: Travis Barker Net Worth – $85 Million (Blink 182, The Aquabats)
#12: Stewart Copeland Net Worth – $80 Million (The Police)
#13: Alex Van Halen Net Worth – $75 Million (Van Halen)
#14: Nick Mason Net Worth – $75 Million (Pink Floyd)
#15: Tommy Lee Net Worth – $70 Million (Motley Crue)
#16: Bill Ward Net Worth – $65 Million (Black Sabbath)
#17: Jon Fishman Net Worth – $60 Million (Phish)
#18: Carter Beauford Net Worth – $55 Million (Dave Matthews Band)
#19: Rick Allen Net Worth – $50 Million (Def Leppard)
#20: Tre Cool Net Worth – $45 Million (Green Day)
#21: Danny Carey Net Worth – $40 Million (Tool)
#22: Tico Torres Net Worth – $40 Million (Bon Jovi)
#23: Max Weinberg Net Worth – $35 Million (Bruce Springsteen and The E Street Band, Conan O’Brien)
#24: Mickey Hart Net Worth – $30 Million (The Grateful Dead)
#25: Bill Kreutzmann Net Worth – $25 Million (The Grateful Dead)
#26: Neil Peart Net Worth – $22 Million (Rush)
#27: Taylor Hawkins Net Worth – $20 Million (Foo Fighters)
#28: Questlove Net Worth – $16 Million (The Roots, Jimmy Fallon)
#29: Steven Adler Net Worth – $15 Million (Guns N’ Roses)
#30: Mick Fleetwood Net Worth – $8.5 Million (Fleetwood Mac)

http://cdn.cnwimg.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/ringo2.jpg?cda6c1

Whattup?

Ringo's the best. My favorite Ringo performance atm is "Blue Jay Way".

Mick Fleetwood should be worth more than $8.5m? Also, lol at the bands having two of these dudes.

Pretty sure Mick had some major financial problems not long after Rumors (he went bankrupt at one point).

Fleetwood went bankrupt in the 80s.

To answer the original question, Long Fin Killie, although it was only an incremental improvement.

Luna kinda took a dive when the feelies drummer quit/was fired.

― tylerw, Tuesday, October 5, 2010 4:23 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark

totally, tho their last couple albums were something of a saving grace. Still, demeski's subtle brush work & fills were sorely missed.

From wikipedia entry on josh freese (which ones got better after he arrived?):

A Perfect Circle,
Nine Inch Nails,
Devo,
The Vandals
Sting
Paul Westerberg
Guns N' Roses
Ween
The Offspring
Weezer
Desert Sessions
Ashes Divide

― Philip Nunez, Tuesday, October 5, 2010 5:35 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark

lol since this post Freese has also joined Paramore and Sublime With Rome. that guy is busy!

How the hell did Dave Grohl get to be richer than Don Henley?

did way less blow?

Tours more, doesn't dole out as much "hush money".

7. Bruce Springsteen

Disagree strongly

Isn't Grohl famously nice as well? Exemplary life that guy lives if so, he's even sucked another drummer along in his slipstream.

I think Grohl doesn't have to split as much of his publishing. Henley always had collaborators, up to three or four on some Eagles stuff.

Was Marky better than Tommy? What of Richie? and hey let's forget the brief Elvis period...

Grohl's Nirvana past plus his massive Foo Fighters loot would account for it, I bet.

There needs to be some kind of handicap to take account of non-drumming earnings, else you might as well have Madonna at no.1. Ringo fair enough, his loot comes nearly all from the skins; Collins, Henley and Grohl less so.

eh half the Foo Fighters songs you hear on the radio are Grohl on drums. did Collins and Henley continue to play drums on most of their hits after becoming frontmen/solo stars?

it does speak volumes that the richest drummer that's never sung lead on a hit song is at #5, though

I think Watts is the only one in the top 10 without a songwriting credit.