rolling ringtone thread 2008

^ waiting all year for this

-- BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, June 10, 2008 9:20 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

i self zinged with that a year ago

ya i was gonna say

i realize this

j/b

anyway i have no problem with hipsters liking music hipsters like, its more about the disproportionate media coverage they get. it skews history, and i do think this shit matters

yeah i feel u and i dont think anyone really has a great answer for why lots of our favorite rappers can't get any shine in SPIN or w/e

xlr8r had a tite bun b cover a little while back though

Problem is that when white hipsters like shit, that usually means advertisers like shit, which means we're in for a long year of same4dudes having tours sponsored by Prius and Converse while guys like All $tar or whoever stay on the mixtape grind.

Scion sponsoring a Too $hort show is the goddamn highlight of my summer so far

... but to their credit they've got an aesthetic that appeals to the people who read magazines like urb and paste-- mostly white people who listen to rock and think lil boosie is a joke, but really love the beasties and the fat boys and whoever else...

-- J0rdan S., Tuesday, June 10, 2008 9:03 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Link

why are these the artists that appeal to cool kids fans
what about the cool kids actually reminds you of either the fat boys or the beasties, other than the clothes they are wearing being mid 80s oriented

I can see why Cool Kids fans would be into Fat Boys/Beasties since their rhyme schemes are really simple, their themes are innocent and their vibe is strictly party-based; plus their beats are skeletal in an 80s way.

Though I kinda like their beats because they remind me of snap.

i was about to say, that description sounds just like snap music but i dont see 'hipster rap' articles about dem franchise boyz either

Because snap artists talk about fellatio and fancy clothes and ecstasy and grey goose; and Cool Kids talk about Sega and bikes and Star Wars. What do YOU think a bunch of Dan Deacon fans would be more quick to get behind.

dan deacon fans dont like fellatio, clothes, drugs and vodka?

see yr giving me plenty good reasons not to like this scene right there

Have you ever met a white person, deej?

i know a few

Then I don't understand why you're befuddled by the fact that they would gravitate towards non-threatening dudes who talk about the nerdy shit that not only compliments their scenester peter pan syndrome but also their blog-reading "otherness" that makes them feel so superior and urbane; as opposed to a copping a ringtone by bunch of Atlanta dudes talking about getting their dick sucked.

this is like white people 101 shit

maybe there's a blog about stuff white people like we could used it for fact checking

'befuddled' is an unfair characterization, im trolling j0rdan because i dont like his "what could possibly be wrong with hipsters writing about hipsters making music for hipsters" conclusions

rappers who get on the cover of magazines because of who they know and not cuz anyone actually knows there shit.

I know this thread is totally not my scene and shit but I just gotta point out that nobody gets a magazine cover unless they're extremely well-connected and good at the knowing-people/glad-handing/butt-kissing dance that goes along with getting to the level of being on magazine covers.

concur 100% with yr angle in re: history however.

'befuddled' is an unfair characterization, im trolling j0rdan because i dont like his "what could possibly be wrong with hipsters writing about hipsters making music for hipsters" conclusions

-- deej, Wednesday, June 11, 2008 3:41 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Link

im not saying there is nothing wrong with it, half my posts re: this whole thing have been me expressing wonderment about your, yes, befuddlement (i think i used the word actually) and borderline naivete (or playing really fucking dumb cuz i know you're not naive) about why the cool kids are more likely to get on the cover of urb magazine or a glowing review in pitchfork then big tuck or dfb or d4l or lil scrappy or whoever

im not befuddled! i think its shitty. the questions im asking are trying to get you to flesh out your argument, it doesnt mean i dont have my own answers to them

what parts of my argument need to be fleshed out? i mean ive posted pretty substantially re: this in here so if im not going far enough w/ something im saying let me know cuz im kind of running out words here but i would like to resolve the argument so to speak

why are these the artists that appeal to cool kids fans
what about the cool kids actually reminds you of either the fat boys or the beasties, other than the clothes they are wearing being mid 80s oriented

-- deej, Wednesday, June 11, 2008 2:46 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Link

why is this aesthetic so appealing to a 'hipster' audience
why do 'hipsters' have such a disproportionate media influence
whose interests does defining 'hipsters' as a singular entity with similar aesthetic tastes serve
why should we surrender so much of this coverage to people covering this small circle of insular fashionistas

why is this aesthetic so appealing to a 'hipster' audience

Then I don't understand why you're befuddled by the fact that they would gravitate towards non-threatening dudes who talk about the nerdy shit that not only compliments their scenester peter pan syndrome but also their blog-reading "otherness" that makes them feel so superior and urbane; as opposed to a copping a ringtone by bunch of Atlanta dudes talking about getting their dick sucked.

-- Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, June 11, 2008 4:26 PM (2 hours ago)

why are these the artists that appeal to cool kids fans
what about the cool kids actually reminds you of either the fat boys or the beasties, other than the clothes they are wearing being mid 80s oriented

-- deej, Wednesday, June 11, 2008 2:46 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Link

i brought up the beasties-- as other ppl have (i think even the cool kids themselves)-- because they're pretty popular among white rock listeners, as are the cool kids, so even if we couldn't put our finger on the similarities b/w the two groups, the fact that they definitely have audience crossover is reason enough for a link if not a comparison.

but cmon the cool kids are on the teenage bullshit fun times tip just like the beasties were, and to an extent (maybe not teenage tho) like the fat boys were. and it sucks that white rock listeners seem to equate fun times rap with the cool kids and spank rock and not d4l (i think your average cool kids fan would clown "laffy taffy" in anti-pop stance as much as an anti-gutter rap one, which is an issue [anti-pop, or anti-radio success] that we aren't touching when we bring up things like dem franchize boys) or gucci mane, but whiney brought this up earlier, it seems as if a lot of hipster-types who are cool kids et al fans are more apt to relate to songs about bikes and video games and cereal than ones about popping champagne at strip clubs (i say it seems cuz i dont know anyone irl who is a cool kids fan, let alone someone who likes cool kids but dismisses gangster fun time raps) which explains why cool kids fans reach for the cool kids album when they want their dose of fun time rap not gucci mane

why do 'hipsters' have such a disproportionate media influence

See definition of the word "hipsters"

why is this aesthetic so appealing to a 'hipster' audience

i think whiney is otm

why do 'hipsters' have such a disproportionate media influence

we are talking about urb and the internet here not murderdog and lennox ave.

whose interests does defining 'hipsters' as a singular entity with similar aesthetic tastes serve

we're all using hipsters as strawmen for cool kids fans here so our own

why should we surrender so much of this coverage to people covering this small circle of insular fashionistas

do you mean coverage of rap music in general? i dont quite get what you mean by this

i'm luistening to
-- juvenile 400 degreez
-- black president, hero
-- rick ross/mannie fresh - japanese denim
-- ballgreezy - shone
-- alfamega/busta

-- rick ross/mannie fresh - japanese denim

does steve shasta have too much influence on rap?

btw im staying out of this guys
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I'M TALKIN JAPANESE DENIM MONEY STUFFED IN EM

<------------ got smurf legs from rockin fake evisu

btw im staying out of this guys
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-- and what, Wednesday, June 11, 2008 7:10 PM (23 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

just cuz yr girl likes kid sister >:^(

tru tru

j0rdan yr argument is circular. hipsters are kids who like cool kids. cool kids getting hyped out the ass is ok because hipsters like them. who are hipsters? people who like cool kids

try to bring down the tribal aspect of this a minute and look at media coverage as not being 'for' hipsters. right now a small group of people end up being hugely influential on large groups of people and how they think about music. why is this ok/what does it mean/how will it affect how we talk about culture and what values is it that this small group of ppl are perpetuating, and not just values in an ideological sense but in an aesthetic one as well

i do kinda think we as yknow white rap nerds are overlooking how somebody like kid sister (fukk the rest of these cats imo) can be almost like a role model for radio-listening black girls who dig rap but dont wanna fit into the trina/kim mode or jean grae style raw spitta

how far do u take that though. cool kids can be a role model for kids who ride bikes and dont like fellatio but that doesnt make them worth hearing

i dont actually hate pro nails or anything btw ... like i said on a single-by-single basis this 'genre' is alright with me on occasion

still think this one is way fun
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCxrWg-5Cbw

right now a small group of people end up being hugely influential on large groups of people and how they think about music

Are you talking about the fashionistas here? Because media influence on anyone these days is kind of LOL.

writers, historians and critics still serve as gatekeepers for how ppl think about music

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAy8d0oyElg

http://friendsofdoom.com/gz/img/post/news/2007-04-17-keymaster.jpg

writers, historians and critics still serve as gatekeepers for how ppl think about music

as this will always be true you either gotta put up or shut up to change the discourse don'tcha

which is why im putting up in this thread?

that's also kinda bullshit right?

i mean radio programmers, club djs, ppl who pick music for soundtracks, ppl who pick music for ads, ppl who pick music for sports arenas - these are MUCH MUCH MUCH bigger gatekeepers right?

j0rdan yr argument is circular. hipsters are kids who like cool kids. cool kids getting hyped out the ass is ok because hipsters like them. who are hipsters? people who like cool kids

nah you're over simplifying me. for one im using (well we all are) the term hipsters as a huge strawman-- obv i dont mean every hipster walking the face of every us metropolis, just that the cool kids fan base is made up largely of "hipsters" (fashonistas, w/e), however many "hipsters" that is. for one, ya i think it's ok for cool kids to get hyped out the ass cuz i happen to like them a lot, but all im saying is that it makes sense for hipster/indie rock publications to either a. cover rap groups that their readership digs or b. cover rap groups that they think their readership will dig. would i prefer to see boosie or rich boy get an urb cover? yeah, but i could say the same thing about rolling stone, blender, xxl, vibe, the source, gq, spin etc etc etc

try to bring down the tribal aspect of this a minute and look at media coverage as not being 'for' hipsters. right now a small group of people end up being hugely influential on large groups of people and how they think about music. why is this ok/what does it mean/how will it affect how we talk about culture and what values is it that this small group of ppl are perpetuating, and not just values in an ideological sense but in an aesthetic one as well

im going to run with this and pretend as if whiney and john and blount aren't right about this "small group of people" having no influence (i really have no idea if they are right or not). for one i think it would be great for a small group of people (i assume you mean urb type mag editors) to be able to gatekeep music, but of course those people are going to make some missteps. i have a much bigger problem w/ xxl and vibe fucking up their covers wrt the "right" rappers then urb and the fader. i just think you're overstating the amount of influence a magazine like urb has, and not in the whiney g lol corporation/lol ppl don't listen to media way, but on the overall discourse of rap music