― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 19:00 (twenty years ago) link
― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 19:02 (twenty years ago) link
Is it me or does this read really badly?
― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 19:05 (twenty years ago) link
― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 19:07 (twenty years ago) link
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 19:11 (twenty years ago) link
The comments were understood to have been directed at Chelsea's Marcel Desailly, who is black. Atkinson is believed to have called the defender a "f***ing lazy nigger".
http://www.thisislincolnshire.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=116154&command=displayContent&sourceNode=116153&contentPK=9672009
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 19:12 (twenty years ago) link
Ron this is totally unacceptable!!!
― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 19:15 (twenty years ago) link
― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 19:16 (twenty years ago) link
― Barry Davies (Ronan), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 19:16 (twenty years ago) link
― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 19:17 (twenty years ago) link
― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 19:19 (twenty years ago) link
I can't believe it, either. I thought it would be slightly less offensive even if it was still really offensive.
nick has me thinking like 'kim possible': 'ron acceptable'.
― RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 19:21 (twenty years ago) link
― Dave B (daveb), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 19:25 (twenty years ago) link
― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 19:28 (twenty years ago) link
― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 19:29 (twenty years ago) link
this really is a pity. i hope he can make some donation to charity or something and get back on tv, it's the whole world's loss. i cannot think of anyone in the media world today who has quite the same way with the neologism.
― matthew james (matthew james), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 19:41 (twenty years ago) link
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 19:45 (twenty years ago) link
― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 19:49 (twenty years ago) link
― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 19:51 (twenty years ago) link
Now all that's over, what's a Kilroy? Is it the same as a Matthew Kelly. If so, what's a Matthew Kelly? Sorry, I've been in France with all the fucking Frogs. Oops.
― Will McKenzie, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 19:52 (twenty years ago) link
(this really happened - a pakistani friend of mine was out with a chinese friend of his, will. will saw martin, also chinese, across the road, but martin didn't notice will. will said to my pakistani friend, "i can't believe martin didn't see me!" my pakistanie friend said, "oh don't worry, you all look alike to him. obviously that's not a racist joke, that's a joke about racism.)
― matthew james (matthew james), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 19:55 (twenty years ago) link
I imagine that after a while, most football managers begin to develop a kind of master-slave relationship w/ players: Ron perhaps has simply laid open an institutional sporting attitude toward the ownership+control of bodies that is often, but not always or exclusively, racist. Ron's rhetoric, of course, sadly feeds into the foul old myth that black football players are skillful but greedy/lazy/moody/afraid of the cold, and all that shit
― Andrew L (Andrew L), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 20:07 (twenty years ago) link
an institutional sporting attitude toward the ownership+control of bodies i'm not sure of this - most managers want "charachter" as much as they want obedience.
granted though, innocuous was not the right word to use there. i meant that he didn't use it with the full baggage of wanting to employ those stereotypes.
― matthew james (matthew james), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 20:13 (twenty years ago) link
― |OBEY|EYE|BO| (deangulberry), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 20:22 (twenty years ago) link
Surely that myth concerns foreign players, not specifically black players. For whatever that's worth.
― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 20:24 (twenty years ago) link
― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 20:29 (twenty years ago) link
Nigger hasn't become an unacceptable word recently. It was a loathsome insult 'even' in the '60s, which is as far back as I can confidently remember. That's why I said Ron's different generation makes only a small difference.
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 20:47 (twenty years ago) link
Oh Ron. A fool in every direction.
― Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 21:16 (twenty years ago) link
― Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 21:37 (twenty years ago) link
― RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 21:38 (twenty years ago) link
― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 21:41 (twenty years ago) link
― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 21:42 (twenty years ago) link
http://www.thinkclear.co.uk/Expressions/
― Jim paper-jam, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 21:50 (twenty years ago) link
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 22:16 (twenty years ago) link
i may have to rescind some of my earlier comments
― matthew james (matthew james), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 22:24 (twenty years ago) link
― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 22:26 (twenty years ago) link
― RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 22:29 (twenty years ago) link
― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 22:32 (twenty years ago) link
― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 22:36 (twenty years ago) link
― matthew james (matthew james), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 22:38 (twenty years ago) link
― RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 22:41 (twenty years ago) link
― matthew james (matthew james), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 22:44 (twenty years ago) link
Now loads of people will be like "Ahh, poor Ron, hounded out by the poncey liberal elite", which will only fuel racism. But if he hadn't gone, then there would be an uproar at it being condoned, and fair enough - it would have sent a horrible message.
His apologising unreservedly makes the best of a bad job, really.
*sigh*
― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 22:46 (twenty years ago) link
"ooh, he's circumnavigated him there..."
― matthew james (matthew james), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 22:53 (twenty years ago) link
Bigot Ron has also said that he apologises for what is 'purported to be a racist remark'. Purported? Samuel L Jackson could say the original remark and it not be racist. Big Ron's not a pimp in the hood, thought he is blinged up to the max.
The sad thing is that I never thought this of him - this isn't a moment of madness which tarnishes a career (Big Ron laid low by off-the cuff remark and the PC brigade) , but something that makes you reevaluate that career as you reevaluate the man. He had to go. No question.
x-post with N.
― Dave B (daveb), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 22:55 (twenty years ago) link
― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 22:59 (twenty years ago) link
― RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 23:01 (twenty years ago) link
― matthew james (matthew james), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 23:03 (twenty years ago) link
― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 23:05 (twenty years ago) link
― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 23:06 (twenty years ago) link
― Lynskey (Lynskey), Sunday, 25 April 2004 15:13 (twenty years ago) link
― de, Sunday, 25 April 2004 15:30 (twenty years ago) link
― robin (robin), Monday, 26 April 2004 04:28 (twenty years ago) link
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,6903,1202686,00.html
― koogs (koogs), Monday, 26 April 2004 07:48 (twenty years ago) link
― mark s (mark s), Monday, 26 April 2004 14:50 (twenty years ago) link
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 26 April 2004 17:01 (twenty years ago) link
― Dave B (daveb), Monday, 26 April 2004 17:05 (twenty years ago) link
"What about jokes about my long chin? I mean, nigger is black - so we have jokes where we call them niggers because they're black. Why should that be any more of an offence than someone calling me chinny?"
Gosh.
― Gregory Henry (Gregory Henry), Thursday, 13 May 2004 13:49 (twenty years ago) link
― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 13 May 2004 13:54 (twenty years ago) link
― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 13 May 2004 13:54 (twenty years ago) link
― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 13 May 2004 13:56 (twenty years ago) link
― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 13 May 2004 13:58 (twenty years ago) link
― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 13 May 2004 14:00 (twenty years ago) link
― gareth (gareth), Thursday, 13 May 2004 14:00 (twenty years ago) link
okay i've stopped wondering now.
― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 13 May 2004 14:02 (twenty years ago) link
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 13 May 2004 14:11 (twenty years ago) link
Aaah, loveable racist banter.
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 13 May 2004 14:19 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 13 May 2004 14:22 (twenty years ago) link
― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 13 May 2004 14:31 (twenty years ago) link
― suzy (suzy), Thursday, 13 May 2004 14:32 (twenty years ago) link
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 13 May 2004 14:37 (twenty years ago) link
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 13 May 2004 14:48 (twenty years ago) link
― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 13 May 2004 14:49 (twenty years ago) link
― toby (tsg20), Thursday, 13 May 2004 18:09 (twenty years ago) link
― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Thursday, 13 May 2004 18:25 (twenty years ago) link
― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 13 May 2004 18:50 (twenty years ago) link
― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 13 May 2004 18:57 (twenty years ago) link
― de, Thursday, 13 May 2004 19:21 (twenty years ago) link
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 13 May 2004 21:05 (twenty years ago) link
― toby (tsg20), Friday, 14 May 2004 05:01 (nineteen years ago) link
...but yes, i'd say this was worse than ron, at least he KNEW he'd done something wrong, not that that excuses saying it, of course...
― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Friday, 14 May 2004 08:19 (nineteen years ago) link
― stevem (blueski), Friday, 14 May 2004 08:31 (nineteen years ago) link
― Mikey G (Mikey G), Friday, 14 May 2004 08:33 (nineteen years ago) link
Tis true, tis true
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 14 May 2004 08:38 (nineteen years ago) link
― stevem (blueski), Friday, 14 May 2004 08:39 (nineteen years ago) link
Pretty bleak viewing at points I thought. Can he relaunch his career?
― bert (bert), Thursday, 11 November 2004 23:39 (nineteen years ago) link
― Dr. C (Dr. C), Friday, 12 November 2004 07:59 (nineteen years ago) link
― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Friday, 12 November 2004 10:08 (nineteen years ago) link
― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Friday, 12 November 2004 10:10 (nineteen years ago) link
― Dave B (daveb), Sunday, 23 January 2005 11:02 (nineteen years ago) link
!!!!hahaha
― ken c (ken c), Sunday, 23 January 2005 11:28 (nineteen years ago) link
they keep mentioning the 'broadcast on Middle East TV' thing every bloody time. this is almost racism itself in the way that it implies people in the Middle East would actually be PERSONALLY offended by what Ron said ffs.
― Stevem On X (blueski), Sunday, 23 January 2005 13:17 (nineteen years ago) link
― ken c (ken c), Sunday, 23 January 2005 13:35 (nineteen years ago) link
― Masked Gazza, Sunday, 23 January 2005 14:15 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ally C (Ally C), Sunday, 23 January 2005 15:15 (nineteen years ago) link
― ken c (ken c), Sunday, 23 January 2005 16:55 (nineteen years ago) link
"Bloocks"
― David Merryweather (DavidM), Sunday, 23 January 2005 18:44 (nineteen years ago) link
Also, 'Sunday Sport columnist'. Sheesh.
― Dave B (daveb), Monday, 4 April 2005 06:37 (nineteen years ago) link
I did not know about this. Well done, Dwight Yorke and Co.
― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Monday, 4 April 2005 10:01 (nineteen years ago) link