― Nathan, Monday, 30 April 2007 00:17 (sixteen years ago) link
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― StanM, Monday, 30 April 2007 23:11 (sixteen years ago) link
Now the Finns.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7082795.stm
:/
― Alba, Wednesday, 7 November 2007 12:54 (sixteen years ago) link
global epidemic spreads unchecked using news media as vector
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 7 November 2007 15:50 (sixteen years ago) link
High school shooting in Finland.
― Zeno, Wednesday, 7 November 2007 15:52 (sixteen years ago) link
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7246003.stm
― DG, Thursday, 14 February 2008 23:19 (sixteen years ago) link
i mean come on this shit is old now
ffs not again
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7936817.stm
― the innermost wee guy (onimo), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 11:11 (fifteen years ago) link
*placeholder for insensitive comment*
― FREE DOM AND ETHAN (special guest stars mark bronson), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 11:14 (fifteen years ago) link
I can't get the story to load. Probably for the better. (Sigh)
― ╓abies, Wednesday, 11 March 2009 11:15 (fifteen years ago) link
this one too, alabama
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/03/10/shooting.alabama/
― football consultant, oakland raiders (daria-g), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 11:17 (fifteen years ago) link
In summary: At least ten people are believed to have been killed in a shooting spree at a German school. Shooter believed to be a former pupil (oh wait that bit has now been removed). Shooter thought to be in custody.
xpost
― the innermost wee guy (onimo), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 11:18 (fifteen years ago) link
10 dead at both shootings on the same day wtf.
― the innermost wee guy (onimo), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 11:19 (fifteen years ago) link
15 dead in germany now.wasnt someone shot at a church in the USA over the weekend too?
― Pfunkboy in blood drenched rabbit suit jamming in the woods (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 13:13 (fifteen years ago) link
http://www.moonconnection.com/moon_gadget.phtml#rt2ig1_1236782715
― Jarlrmai, Wednesday, 11 March 2009 14:47 (fifteen years ago) link
wait a minute, meant to indicate it's a full moon atm.
― Jarlrmai, Wednesday, 11 March 2009 14:53 (fifteen years ago) link
wasnt someone shot at a church in the USA over the weekend too?― Pfunkboy in blood drenched rabbit suit jamming in the woods (Herman G. Neuname)
― Pfunkboy in blood drenched rabbit suit jamming in the woods (Herman G. Neuname)
yep
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090309/ap_on_re_us/church_shooting
― Burt_ in the disco! Hongro blessed DJ! (jjjusten), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 15:51 (fifteen years ago) link
Also, the economy. Not meant to be flip, btw, but isn't there usually an upswing in this type of crap when the economy tanks? I seem to remember a bunch of workplace shooting lined up with the 90s recession.
― legendary North American forest ape (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 15:53 (fifteen years ago) link
i don't think 17-year old Rammstein fans are motivated by the mortgage bubble bursting, jon
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 11 March 2009 15:56 (fifteen years ago) link
17-year old Rammstein fans
classy
― bacon = bad for the face + magic for the moobs (Mackro Mackro), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 15:57 (fifteen years ago) link
It was a general comment, hadn't really delved in the details of any of the stories. I was just wondering about how trends like this tie in with the global economy turning to shit.
― legendary North American forest ape (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 15:59 (fifteen years ago) link
There was that one dude who killed his wife and kids and self because he couldn't afford to take care of them all with two jobs and it was mega-sad.
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 11 March 2009 16:01 (fifteen years ago) link
The idea that a man's worth is in his productivity/success and that if HE can't be "successful" then everyone who was his responsibility must cease to exist, is just..........beyond. I can hardly form sentences when I think about this.
― How can there be male ladybugs? (Laurel), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 16:08 (fifteen years ago) link
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/nursing_home_shooting
A NURSING HOME. What do you have to do to be even worse than your average spree shooter? Murder a bunch of helpless fogeys, apparently.
― Zero Transfats Waller (Oilyrags), Sunday, 29 March 2009 22:50 (fifteen years ago) link
I'm sure this has been said before, but It's kind of disheartening how these mass murders have become an accepted fact of life. This was the 4th story on NPR's hourly news report today. Yeah, there is a lot of stuff going on in the world and maybe this is the forth most important story of the day, but holy shit we've become accustomed to this kind of violence. It barely registers anymore.
― Super Cub, Monday, 30 March 2009 02:36 (fourteen years ago) link
There was also a story today about some 17 year old guy who has stabbed one sister and then cut the other (5 years old!) one's head off, in front of a 3rd sister... he was still hacking at the 5 year olds head when the cops got there.
Just... what.
― one art, please (Trayce), Monday, 30 March 2009 02:46 (fourteen years ago) link
Perhaps, but then again I believe these things have always happened all the time, everywhere, they're just far more publicized now due to 24-hour-news cycles. It's still a sad thing, but people "randomly going nuts" and doing these horrible things is inevitable in every society.
― Nhex, Monday, 30 March 2009 02:46 (fourteen years ago) link
but holy shit we've become accustomed to this kind of violence. It barely registers anymore.
― Super Cub, Sunday, March 29, 2009 10:36 PM
ya some people even think its great (see thread title)
― eman, Monday, 30 March 2009 02:47 (fourteen years ago) link
It's still a sad thing, but people "randomly going nuts" and doing these horrible things is inevitable in every society.
Actually, I think there have been societies where murder is virtually non-existent. Usually these sort of societies have had a very strong social cohesion and a strict set of shared moralities though, with little room for nonconformism. I would assume there's a lot of variation between different countries of the world in the frequency of murder sprees though. It's inevitable in any society that people will go nuts, but the choices of what you do when you go nuts seem to be at least partially influenced by your surrounding culture. And in most Western societies a shooting spree seems to have become one of the "viable" alternatives for action, sadly. In the first school shooting spree in Finland, for example, it was later found out that the killer had some strong fascist/social Darwinist ideas and that he idolized the Columbine shooters.
― Tuomas, Monday, 30 March 2009 06:56 (fourteen years ago) link
Actually, I think there have been societies where murder is virtually non-existent
wanna come up with some examples, cause I don't buy this at all / have never heard of such societies outside of the lyrics to 'cortez the killer'. "strong social cohesion" isn't gonna overpower certain mental/psychological disorders that some people are simply born with.
― iatee, Monday, 30 March 2009 07:13 (fourteen years ago) link
(sorry)
― abanana, Monday, 30 March 2009 07:18 (fourteen years ago) link
I remember reading in some sociology textbook that certain Buddhist communities in Asia have had virtually no violent crime at all, but I can't find any information on that online right now. I probably shoudln't have used the word "society", since what I was talking about was small, geographically limited communities. Anyway, I don't really think there are any psychological disorders that people are born with, certainly not ones that automatically lead to a murder spree. Or can you name any?
― Tuomas, Monday, 30 March 2009 08:13 (fourteen years ago) link
― one art, please (Trayce), Monday, 30 March 2009 03:46 (8 hours ago) Bookmark
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20090330/twl-man-murders-his-sisters-at-birthday-3fd0ae9.html
― Zayatte Mondatta (country matters), Monday, 30 March 2009 11:44 (fourteen years ago) link
The policeman broke into the house and witnessed Revelus decapitating five-year-old Bianca, whose birthday cake was on the kitchen table.
Thanks for highlighting that.
― Say what you like Professor Words (Ned Trifle II), Monday, 30 March 2009 12:11 (fourteen years ago) link
really belongs on one of those "what the fuck is wrong with people/nuclear holocaust in 3 seconds" threads :-/
doesn't get much more fucked-up than that
― Zayatte Mondatta (country matters), Monday, 30 March 2009 12:13 (fourteen years ago) link
did he then kick a gun over to the kid and say "pick up the gun"?
― real warm grandpa (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 31 October 2023 17:27 (four months ago) link
It was the 80s, man
Even the Reagan administration supported gun control, and when his successor George H.W. Bush was in office, he rejected the NRA for its sociopathic extremism - that's how fucked up the gun culture is today.
― birdistheword, Tuesday, 31 October 2023 20:52 (four months ago) link
xpost sad lol
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 31 October 2023 21:01 (four months ago) link
The PBS News Hours just listed all the red flags on this Maine dude... the family, the army reserve, everybody was saying this guy is about to snap.. the cops went by his house a couple times but then just let it go
― Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 31 October 2023 22:29 (four months ago) link
They were on their way to a Dunkin'
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 31 October 2023 22:42 (four months ago) link
I think Maine has some kinda sort 'yellow flag' laws without the teeth of other states' red flag laws
― Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 31 October 2023 22:51 (four months ago) link
i don't blame the cops. unless there was some severe screw up on that end. it's the lawmakers.
― slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 31 October 2023 22:53 (four months ago) link
it is 100% on the cops to assess if he's a threat (there was ample evidence) and take him into custody or take his guns away. 100% no debate.
― a (waterface), Wednesday, 1 November 2023 12:27 (four months ago) link
Probably the cops didn't want to deal with the hassle of having their home addresses and children's schools read on air by Fox News anchors -- which, to be clear, is exactly what would have happened if they had taken dude's guns away at any point before he began using them to kill people
― The king of the demo (bernard snowy), Wednesday, 1 November 2023 13:21 (four months ago) link
https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/06/us/university-of-nevada-las-vegas-campus-shooting/index.html
― omar little, Wednesday, 6 December 2023 20:50 (three months ago) link
11 dead (so far) including the gunman.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/prague-university-shooting-leaves-several-dead-police-say-2023-12-21/
― Nine Inch Males (Tom D.), Thursday, 21 December 2023 16:04 (three months ago) link
Was just reading about this
Not an American export to be proud of
― Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 21 December 2023 18:05 (three months ago) link
15 dead so far, not including the gunman... who was a student at the university.
― Nine Inch Males (Tom D.), Thursday, 21 December 2023 19:05 (three months ago) link
Happy new year
https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/crime-and-courts/2024/01/04/police-at-perry-high-school-in-iowa-amid-reports-of-school-shooting/72105587007/
― omar little, Thursday, 4 January 2024 16:02 (two months ago) link
jfc
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 4 January 2024 16:23 (two months ago) link
Ron Fucking DeSantis is in Iowa and was brazen enough to make this statement:
"We obviously have a responsibility to create safe environments," DeSantis said in an exclusive interview with the Des Moines Register and NBC News. "The federal government is probably not going to be leading that effort, I think it is more of a local and state issue, but we've shown how it's done in Florida."
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 4 January 2024 20:32 (two months ago) link
One sixth grader (for those confused, as I initially was, this is a small enough town where the middle school and high school share a building) killed and five others injured. Not that the age should ever matter, but as a parent of a sixth grader this hits even harder.
I despair at the fact that no meaningful change will ever come from this broken shithole garbage country and hundreds of parents are just going to be expected to lose their children every year just because captain dipshit has seen too many movies and is terrified a brown person might accidentally speak to them. Fuck this bullshit country forever and ever.
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 4 January 2024 22:35 (two months ago) link
Tell us how you really feel, jon
― CthulhuLululemon (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 5 January 2024 00:06 (two months ago) link
Just noticed the shooter's first name was Dylan.. like Dylan Klebold, Dylann Roof
― Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 5 January 2024 02:51 (two months ago) link
xp - yeah, sorry YMP, I should just be quiet, docile and silently accept that this is just the price we pay for "freedom" ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 5 January 2024 15:11 (two months ago) link
furious profanity is the hardest clapping
― digital chirping and whirring (Hunt3r), Friday, 5 January 2024 16:17 (two months ago) link
man i regret that jon. i am truly sorry, i'd love to undo that.
― digital chirping and whirring (Hunt3r), Friday, 5 January 2024 16:18 (two months ago) link
my son was 7 when they started doing active shooter drills and it kind of messed him up, for a month he was asking about strangers entering the school, if there were any "bad guys" where we lived, he even told me once he wanted to bring a gun of his own so he could shoot the bad guy and protect his sister (you see Republicans, you have the same logical capabilities as a 7 year old). he started getting up at night and locking all the doors in the house. and I can't even say "maybe these drills do more harm than good" because there's still a nonzero chance that could save his life one day. it just fucking sucks so much.
― frogbs, Friday, 5 January 2024 16:31 (two months ago) link
It's just disheartening and infuriating to watch it repeat over and over and over again and knowing that nothing is ever going to change because so many people in positions of power simply don't care.
It's fine Hunt3r, I'm not offended, I get that it wasn't a helpful post. But it came from the intensity of my impotent rage about this issue and I don't really regret it. Raging and swearing doesn't change anything either, but I don't know, I somehow feel it's important to remember this isn't normal and we shouldn't expect it to just be a part of life. Other than donating to causes like Everytown and voting for local and national candidates that actually do care about righting this, I feel powerless about something so fundamentally fucked up that we (meaning American society) has just casually let happen.
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 5 January 2024 16:40 (two months ago) link
"have just casually let happen", that should be
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 5 January 2024 16:41 (two months ago) link
he even told me once he wanted to bring a gun of his own so he could shoot the bad guy and protect his sister (you see Republicans, you have the same logical capabilities as a 7 year old)
It would seem to me that your son's reaction is the exact desired one, in this case
― Wack Snyder (Eric H.), Friday, 5 January 2024 16:41 (two months ago) link
active shooter drills:
- there is no evidence they work (literally none!)- there is tons of evidence they are incredibly harmful- they protect against something that happens once every 6000 years at a given school (i know this thread is revived too often, but it's important to remember how rare these things are when you're making a decision that involves trade offs, e.g. many hours of lost schooling, traumatizing toddlers, etc.),
i don't think they're *designed* to militarize and traumatize kids so they think guns are part of life. they happen in too many liberal states for that to make sense (e.g. NY requires four per year! more than any other state). they're just a completely deranged and shameful "we must do *something*" response. (and they also happen to be very profitable for the people that consult on them and run them.)
our school tells us when they will be, and we have the luxury of keeping our kids home (6 and 3! can you imagine 3 year olds doing this?!) i think we're technically breaking the law when we do this.
there was an attempt in the NY assembly last year to reduce the number to 1 per year and allow parents to opt out, but it got tied up in the usual venal legislative bs.
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 5 January 2024 19:38 (two months ago) link
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/01/14/iowa-principal-school-shooting-died-00135533
― Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 15 January 2024 21:15 (two months ago) link
Several people shot at New York City subway station, police say
Police spokesperson could not immediately say how many people were shot or the extent of their injuriesAssociated PressMon 12 Feb 2024 18.03 EST
Several people were shot Monday at a New York City subway station, police said.
The shooting was reported about 4.38pm.
A police spokesperson could not immediately say how many people were shot, the extent of their injuries or whether anyone was in custody.
The station is in the Bronx, at the intersection of Mount Eden and Jerome Avenues.
Video from television news helicopters showed a subway train stopped at the station and orange evidence cones on the elevated platform.
― Andy the Grasshopper, Monday, 12 February 2024 23:47 (one month ago) link
Also this one I heard on the radio this morning. Too few to qualify as mass shooting, but strange in its own right. Occurred at J03l 05t33n's mega-church. And the female shooter's 7 yr old son was shot in the head, likely by the guards there since the shooter came in with him.
https://news.yahoo.com/woman-opened-fire-joel-osteens-145458078.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall
― nickn, Monday, 12 February 2024 23:57 (one month ago) link
Texas is the reason
Police believe Moreno legally purchased the AR-15 in December.
Authorities have not released a motive for the shooting. Hassig said Moreno had a "mental health history"
― Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 13 February 2024 00:03 (one month ago) link
Osteen's reaction to this was genuinely creepy and inhuman, he was smirking through the whole thing
― frogbs, Tuesday, 13 February 2024 04:49 (one month ago) link
the shooting was during the Spanish language service, which was probably a relief to him
― Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 13 February 2024 05:16 (one month ago) link
Comments on that Yahoo story are an ... adventure.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 13 February 2024 12:50 (one month ago) link
the piece itself is almost unintelligible? it’s like an ai “tell me about an imaginary mass shooting in tx.”
― a single gunshot and polite applause (Hunt3r), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 13:04 (one month ago) link
i know “rules” about pronouns and consistent organization and organized narrative and like that have changed, but it was like trying to interpret yr nightmare images after waking, with identities changing within sequences and time order shuffled or something. whose kid? who died? wait who the fuck? huh?
― a single gunshot and polite applause (Hunt3r), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 13:08 (one month ago) link
Yeah, I noticed there were no pronouns used in the first story, but a note that the shooter sometimes used the alias "Jeffrey." I skimmed the second story and saw some "shes."
― nickn, Tuesday, 13 February 2024 17:16 (one month ago) link
Up to 10 victims injured in shooting near Chiefs parade, fire department says
https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/kansas-city-chiefs-parade-shooting-02-14-24/index.html
But of course, the Chiefs won so let's shoot at the crowd
― Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 14 February 2024 21:04 (one month ago) link
...officials now confirming 22 have been injured with nine of them believed to be children.
JFC
― Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 15 February 2024 01:06 (one month ago) link
Oh god
― Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 15 February 2024 01:39 (one month ago) link
the Osteen church shooter's kid does not sound like he is going to have any quality of life, if he lives (lost most of his frontal lobe; no one knows yet if she shot him or he was shot by the police).
I noticed there were no pronouns used in the first story, but a note that the shooter sometimes used the alias "Jeffrey." I skimmed the second story and saw some "shes."
yeah initial reports on social media in awful places seemed to be 'shooter was trans!' but it does not appear to be the case; shooter was apparently schizophrenic.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/16/us/lakewood-church-shooting-child-victim-injury/index.html
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Friday, 16 February 2024 23:38 (one month ago) link
Yesterday near Monterey, Cal. Four dead in drive-by, reasons unknown.
https://www.ksbw.com/article/1-victim-shot-in-king-city-was-celebrating-california-birthday-killed/60085162]
― nickn, Tuesday, 5 March 2024 18:53 (three weeks ago) link
the city of brotherly love
Seven bystanders were injured on Wednesday in a shooting involving a Philadelphia city bus, authorities said, the fourth gunfire incident on the transit system in as many days.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/06/shooting-philadelphia-bus-seven-people-injured
― Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 7 March 2024 01:22 (three weeks ago) link
Philadelphia is the poorest city of its size in the United States. Northeast and Rhawnhurst areas near where that incident took place are notoriously rough, with shitty transit options and few social services and community hubs. I mention this not to excuse this sort of violence, which is reprehensible, but to say that I think it arrives from different social conditions than a lot of spree shootings that have been discussed in this thread.
― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Thursday, 7 March 2024 02:23 (three weeks ago) link
That’s also the 4th shooting on a Philadelphia bus this week.
― President Keyes, Thursday, 7 March 2024 02:53 (three weeks ago) link
Yeah, and none of them can be separated from the social conditions within Philadelphia. I’ve helped bury kids shot in gang beefs, trust me I know what the stakes are and what’s going on in the city where I live.
― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Thursday, 7 March 2024 03:20 (three weeks ago) link
A guy in Toronto fired at pro-Palestine protesters the other day. With a nail gun. Nobody injured. So glad we don’t have our equivalent of the 2nd Amendment. Yet.
― It was on a accident (hardcore dilettante), Thursday, 7 March 2024 04:27 (three weeks ago) link
3 dead in Levittown, shooter on the run
https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/breaking-suspect-sought-multiple-killed-levittown-shooting/3805011/
― StanM, Saturday, 16 March 2024 17:06 (one week ago) link
Every time this thread is revived I despair.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Saturday, 16 March 2024 18:18 (one week ago) link