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about halfway through my first listen to "From Filthy Tongue..." ; it's really great! What's more hip hop that sounds like this? I confess to be exceedingly ignorant of all things hip & hop.

i4n j0hnson, Saturday, 15 May 2004 22:26 (nineteen years ago) link

Buy the new Clouddead album and get a copy of New Kingdom's Paradise Don't Come Cheap. And buy the first Dalek album. New Kingdom doesn't really sound like Dalek or Clouddead but they were noisy and druggy.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 15 May 2004 22:39 (nineteen years ago) link

get a copy of New Kingdom's Paradise Don't Come Cheap

get two! now!

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Saturday, 15 May 2004 23:05 (nineteen years ago) link

oohh new kingdom sounds nice. there is too much music to listen to/not enough $ to buy it.

christhamrin (christhamrin), Saturday, 15 May 2004 23:25 (nineteen years ago) link

I was really drunk when I wrote this, but I did remember to mention New Kingdom: http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0248/seward.php

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 15 May 2004 23:40 (nineteen years ago) link

"From Filthy Tongue..." is great.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 16 May 2004 03:15 (nineteen years ago) link

id forgetten that i'd started this thread
i've since bought a copy of from filthy tongue... for cheap,but i havent really made the effort to get into it yet...
i must give it another listen,i'd forgotten that i thought they were like speedy j,that certainly makes me curious about them...

robin (robin), Sunday, 16 May 2004 20:59 (nineteen years ago) link

Yay New Kingdom! Only Scott, El Sabor and I remember!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 16 May 2004 21:00 (nineteen years ago) link

there's a semi-official new kingdom website now. has some mp3s (including the 'rocket 500' promo thing) and links to truckstop and nosaj aka nature boy jim kelly's websites.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Sunday, 16 May 2004 21:53 (nineteen years ago) link

Hey, *I* remember New Kingdom! I'm not sure if I want to remember the copy of 'Stuntman' I still own, but they had some good things going.

Barima (Barima), Monday, 17 May 2004 09:12 (nineteen years ago) link

new kingdom. the only hip hop album ever to thank both Foetus and Jamie Hewlett in the acks .. and thats a perfect inidcator of the bands outlook. both albums are still high on my agenda.
lovely lovely. even the appearance on the last regular fries ep was worthy ..

mark e (mark e), Monday, 17 May 2004 09:18 (nineteen years ago) link

nine months pass...
Holy frig, I'm finally hearing Dalek for the first time, great stuff. And what a great thread this is, to also mention New Kingdom!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 26 February 2005 04:25 (nineteen years ago) link

And naming a track "Köner" and actually having it SOUND like him = swank. No wonder Patton signed these dudes.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 26 February 2005 04:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Amen to alla that. Yeah, Scott wrote excellent in Voice about their excellent From Filthy Tongues and I wrote about their almost-as-excellent Dalek vs. Faust, also in Voice (got a new one coming out soon don't they)If they (or anybody with a rugged laptop) is taking requests, 'ow about Dalek vs. Mars Volta--?

don, Saturday, 26 February 2005 04:37 (nineteen years ago) link

Hey, wow, that would be cool indeed.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 26 February 2005 04:41 (nineteen years ago) link

Now I'm listening to a song that's like Curve-1992 gone even more epically sorrowfully goth. Amazing.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 26 February 2005 04:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Are you listening to the new album?

don, Saturday, 26 February 2005 05:21 (nineteen years ago) link

The one from last year at least.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 26 February 2005 06:50 (nineteen years ago) link

It's out about now isn't it? Or does all the Ipecac stuff get released a few months earlier in the States. It's a great record either way

DJ Mencap0))), Saturday, 26 February 2005 12:21 (nineteen years ago) link

When I interviewed Oktopus after "From Filthy Tongues of Gods and Griots," we talked about New Kingdom. He hadn't ever heard them, but mentioned that they get that comparison a lot and was flattered to eb associated with anything Scott Harding was involved with. Boy, New Kingdom were great!

ng, Saturday, 26 February 2005 13:14 (nineteen years ago) link

Ned, you really need to hear the last track on Negro Nekro Necros.

charlie va (charlie va), Saturday, 26 February 2005 20:27 (nineteen years ago) link

he needs to hear all of negro nekro necros, if he hasn't.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Saturday, 26 February 2005 20:51 (nineteen years ago) link

It's out about now isn't it? Or does all the Ipecac stuff get released a few months earlier in the States.

It came out Feb 8 in the US.

Vic Funk, Saturday, 26 February 2005 23:41 (nineteen years ago) link

Weird, the AMG dates indicated a 2004 release -- and the rip had tags that said 7-16-04.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 26 February 2005 23:48 (nineteen years ago) link

I put it on my P&J ballot because I got my copy in November or so, and it came with a press release with all these reviews that had already run, so I assumed it had been out a few weeks by the time I got it. Apparently the release date was Feb. 8, though.

charlie va (charlie va), Sunday, 27 February 2005 01:24 (nineteen years ago) link

Dalek are great; never heard anything like them. I saw them on a bill with Radio 4 and Ted Leo, so here were all these skinny white kids with thick frames waiting around, when these 3 african-american fellows stepped on stage looking like they were there to move around some speakers. Then, all of a sudden, this literally THICK fucking sheet of sound blasted out of the amps. You honestly could feel the wall of staticky, beaten-down sound. Intense stuff. Angry. Pissed off. But really fucking cool. (Does get a little tiring after a while....they only played maybe 5 songs and the feedback never abated. But it was amazing).

PB, Sunday, 27 February 2005 01:53 (nineteen years ago) link

three years pass...

Bump in honor of Gutter Tactics. I haven't heard the others, but I'm feeling this one.

Brad C., Saturday, 31 January 2009 01:48 (fifteen years ago) link

one year passes...

THIS SHIT IS ALL-TIME

acoleuthic, Thursday, 1 April 2010 21:33 (fourteen years ago) link

you're going to systematically ruin every band i like, huh

batlike darkwing cartoonduck (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 1 April 2010 21:52 (fourteen years ago) link

if by 'systematically ruin' you mean 'bump ILX threads of to praise' then yeah fuck you're in for a rough ride

acoleuthic, Thursday, 1 April 2010 21:53 (fourteen years ago) link

you say that my enthusiastic bumps are frequently contentless but dude if I analysed the awesome musical narratives and fucked sonics of this group to any depth you'd hate it even more, trust

acoleuthic, Thursday, 1 April 2010 21:54 (fourteen years ago) link

what I wanna know is how it's taken until now for me to hear it, and on the recommendation of my brother, instead of one of you august critics

acoleuthic, Thursday, 1 April 2010 22:06 (fourteen years ago) link

Love these guys. I wrote a glowing review of Absence for Static Multimedia way back when. I'd link to it, but its sort of embarrassing to re-read now as it was like one of the first published reviews I ever wrote.

he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 1 April 2010 22:17 (fourteen years ago) link

Heard Abandoned Language first; mind moderately blown. Now on Absence and holy shitting Christ.

acoleuthic, Thursday, 1 April 2010 22:28 (fourteen years ago) link

what I wanna know is how it's taken until now for me to hear it, and on the recommendation of my brother, instead of one of you august critics

― acoleuthic, Thursday, April 1, 2010 6:06 PM (25 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

you just gotta keep up w/ me

http://nymag.com/arts/popmusic/features/61881/

batlike darkwing cartoonduck (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 1 April 2010 22:33 (fourteen years ago) link

also, stop posting

batlike darkwing cartoonduck (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 1 April 2010 22:33 (fourteen years ago) link

dude quit bitchin', marry yr gf and have a fucken baby or 3

acoleuthic, Thursday, 1 April 2010 22:35 (fourteen years ago) link

never got into these dudes' recordings that much but saw them a couple of times at my college and they were great live, so loud and oppressive. the first time they opened for paul barman at a frat house (LOL) and blew him off the "stage" (of course). the second time, my pseudo-no wave band opened for them at the on-campus fake bar/venue. we were pretty bad.

congratulations (n/a), Friday, 2 April 2010 03:08 (fourteen years ago) link

LOL apparently I posted about that show like eight years ago:

They are totally kick-ass and extremely loud. Not traditional hip-hop by any means. Very dense and scary sounding. My band opened for them here last week. They are indeed very nice people. As soon as I walked in the door, the producer guy, Octopus, started talking to me and talked my ear off (in a nice way) for about 20 minutes about Ipecac and Mike Patton and all kinds of stuff. Go for it.

― Nick A. (Nick A.), Thursday, November 7, 2002 8:58 AM (7 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I have been on ILX a long time.

congratulations (n/a), Friday, 2 April 2010 03:09 (fourteen years ago) link

i cringed when i ctrl-f'd myself on this thread but apparently i never posted on it. i remember having negro necro nekros (had to wiki the title of that) but never heard anything after that.

rinse the lemonade (Jordan), Friday, 2 April 2010 03:36 (fourteen years ago) link

not only is this music super-awesome but it is also a surefire 100% guaranteed way to annoy one's parents - I don't think there's been any other music of mine which has had them coming in and telling me to turn it the fuck down with quite this fervour

acoleuthic, Friday, 2 April 2010 12:34 (fourteen years ago) link

Absence and holy shitting Christ

is this really the name of one of their albums

ain't no thang but a chicken ㅋ (dyao), Friday, 2 April 2010 12:39 (fourteen years ago) link

and his parents thought they had it bad with the chris ofili prints

nakhchivan, Friday, 2 April 2010 12:42 (fourteen years ago) link

^what we mere mortals must wiki

acoleuthic, Friday, 2 April 2010 13:16 (fourteen years ago) link

i remember having negro necro nekros (had to wiki the title of that) but never heard anything after that.

― rinse the lemonade (Jordan), Friday, 2 April 2010 03:36 (9 hours ago) Permalink

It's their least good release by some distance imo

also want to echo assertion(s) above that they are super nice and funny ppl in my experience

artfuckoleuthic (DJ Mencap), Friday, 2 April 2010 13:37 (fourteen years ago) link

i really do think they are making some of the most important music of our time, and will prolly be remembered fondly like Art Ensemble Of Chicago or the Feelies in 20 yrs.

batlike darkwing cartoonduck (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 2 April 2010 14:20 (fourteen years ago) link

yay two more bands for me to systematically destroy!

acoleuthic, Friday, 2 April 2010 14:21 (fourteen years ago) link

LJ, if you haven't made it this far back into the Dälek catalogue, these are both from their first/second album (depending whether you consider Negro Necro Nekros their debut album or a preceding EP) and are absolutely brilliant slabs of hip-hop/fucked sonics:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVhIA-YH-7w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9rs9PSG9qE

Did I mention this is one of the most incredible closing 1-2 punches on any album, ever?

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Friday, 2 April 2010 20:34 (fourteen years ago) link

I still need to get that album! Nor did I ever get around the Gutter Tactics, how is that one? The EP and the other two full-lengths are fantastic.

he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 2 April 2010 20:56 (fourteen years ago) link

Haven't heard Gutter Tactics yet. Assume it's great, as most everything else they've released falls along the great-to-incredible axis.

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Saturday, 3 April 2010 04:11 (fourteen years ago) link

ok this was a jam ~11 years ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m48M6mijPH8

and this has the requisite lj 10+ min:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LEdGIcBheM

second album has some good stuff:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDMtaIcrfQ0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9sXe2o3hSg

rinse the lemonade (Jordan), Monday, 5 April 2010 21:56 (fourteen years ago) link

this is like ILX 103: A History of Nerd Rap in '97 - '02

rinse the lemonade (Jordan), Monday, 5 April 2010 21:57 (fourteen years ago) link

cLOUDDEAD is currently being acquired by my web-wise brother, and I've added about 20 hip-hop albums to my iTunes in the past couple of days, so there'll be plenty more listening. So far, Dalek and CanOx have shone brightest, but that's only the tip of the iceberg of what I've received.

Dalek sound like the grooviest cats on Earth tbh

oh crumbs xpost!!! ok lemme bed down with some of this...

william mcgonadal's tay ridge disaster (acoleuthic), Monday, 5 April 2010 21:59 (fourteen years ago) link

So you've heard Funcrusher Plus by Company Flow, right?

Doran, Monday, 5 April 2010 22:15 (fourteen years ago) link

That's on my computer, waiting to be gotten around to! Well, I listened to the first two tracks earlier and enjoyed them, but I was skimming about. Will give it a proper listen-through.

uh is that miseplled? (acoleuthic), Monday, 5 April 2010 22:18 (fourteen years ago) link

That guy who thinks I'm too clueless about real hip hop and r&b to be a hipster will probably suffer a stroke when he sees this.

But I'm too busy hanging out in my front room wearing a backpack, counting all my Buck 65 and Mr Liff records to be too concerned.

Doran, Monday, 5 April 2010 22:26 (fourteen years ago) link

jesus doran, u were defending racist arguments with more racist arguments + u r entirely clueless abt it. having some buck 65 & co flo records along with that is uncomfortably close to par for the course, so no stroke here.

zvookster, Monday, 5 April 2010 22:30 (fourteen years ago) link

7 1/2 tracks in, am liking CoFlow a lot, although I may have to stop + resume tomorrow owing to need for sleep. Really gripping stuff - works a little like The Fall, repetition aplenty but little shifts, halts and change-ups within the repetition that open the whole thing out. Jordan's youtubes will be watched tomorrow, I think. FanDam is also on the menu.

uh is that miseplled? (acoleuthic), Monday, 5 April 2010 22:49 (fourteen years ago) link

Ha ha! Right on cue...

Doran, Monday, 5 April 2010 22:54 (fourteen years ago) link

have clouddead, donuts, edan, fandam

will listen to those youtubes soon

uh is that miseplled? (acoleuthic), Wednesday, 7 April 2010 18:14 (fourteen years ago) link

wish i could merge the 'lj discovers' bits of the canox and dalek threads tbh

the c4venger extort plan (acoleuthic), Wednesday, 7 April 2010 18:29 (fourteen years ago) link

cLOUDDEAD is basically a less-chaotic Beta Band gone BoC-wards, not a hip-hop act

but it's really REALLY good so I'm not complaining!!

the c4venger extort plan (acoleuthic), Thursday, 8 April 2010 01:09 (fourteen years ago) link

if you like dose-one, Themselves and his album w/ boom bip would do you nicely.

ogmor, Monday, 12 April 2010 00:47 (fourteen years ago) link

just put on gutter tactics and it's kind of refreshing to hear a rap song where the vocals aren't all front and center in the mix, it's almost like an old beastie boys album

fuck in rainbows, ☔ (dyao), Monday, 12 April 2010 14:06 (fourteen years ago) link

~voice as instrument~

fuck in rainbows, ☔ (dyao), Monday, 12 April 2010 14:06 (fourteen years ago) link

four years pass...

New song/video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBByC9BebX4

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 14 December 2014 18:08 (nine years ago) link

Thanks, Ned! Also, I mentioned the Faust vs. Dalek "review" (actually more of a self-parodic yet truthful respone, since my impressions were driven fairly far out and in; just trying to convey the listening experience, although I resolved to be more consumer-friendly after this, with mixed results---anyway, it's short) Didn't link it then, but here tis (I'd still say start with their first, but this collaborative experiment is well within the range of interests evidenced on this thread)
http://www.villagevoice.com/2004-09-28/music/karma-sutures/full/

And a repost of Scott's cogent commentary on previous Dalek:
http://www.villagevoice.com/2002-11-26/music/heaven-hell-and-jersey/

dow, Sunday, 14 December 2014 19:34 (nine years ago) link

eleven months pass...

reckon I'm surrounded by introverted ilxors at this gig. out ourselves to the twat in the white shirt

lol

(•̪●) (carne asada), Monday, 23 November 2015 21:00 (eight years ago) link

from The Future Is Now! thread:
Co-produced, -generated by Momim of Dalek and trombonist Rick Parker (who's worked with Tim Berne, Mingus Big Band, Wu Tang, baby): bluesy, spacious, sometimes hungover hornorities meet bracing beats, working through strata of data under Polar stars (ain't no sunshine; none needed). Salt and tackle provided, tronic taxonomies left 2 U: (if could only pick one: "Safar," with searchlight phasing; if had to flush one: "Nanotronic")
https://wondermachine.bandcamp.com/album/a-fire-of-flowers-grows-around-us

― dow, Thursday, October 8, 2015 11:05 AM (1 month ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

dow, Monday, 23 November 2015 23:47 (eight years ago) link

https://f1.bcbits.com/img/a4225398947_16.jpg

dow, Monday, 23 November 2015 23:48 (eight years ago) link

oh fuck that gig was enormous

ogmor you're in for a treat. mc dälek himself assured me they'd kill it up there "plus we haven't played there in a minute" so they've got a new crowd to impress

goes without saying that their beats are the best beats but the dude's flow is visceral

avant-garde, sissy bounce, zombie rave, aquacrunk, warlock, oceangrunge, (imago), Tuesday, 24 November 2015 00:35 (eight years ago) link

one year passes...

the new track is incredible, so hyped for the album

imago, Friday, 23 June 2017 15:15 (six years ago) link

two months pass...

yes, yes the album is great

imago, Tuesday, 29 August 2017 13:31 (six years ago) link

four years pass...

Nice new overview piece at Bandcamp

https://daily.bandcamp.com/lists/dalek-album-guide

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 18 May 2022 16:26 (one year ago) link

The album with Faust is one of the most amazing things ever.

DAMAGED by Black Flat (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 18 May 2022 16:36 (one year ago) link

three weeks pass...

Seeing them tonight but having investigated the support act, not only does it have a member of Dalek in it, but their debut album is out today and is sick as hell, electro-noise rock of a very high order

https://holyscum.bandcamp.com/album/strange-desires

imago, Friday, 10 June 2022 13:41 (one year ago) link

!!! Thanks for the word on that.
I posted link to this brief take upthread, but Voice changed links again, so here tis from my own archive, taking this approach as far as I ever did, mending ways later (Voicewise), but meant to convey unusual listening experience:

Karma Sutures
Ancient Teutonic drone-rockers take on Jersey art-hoppers
October 5th, 2004 4:50 PM Issue 40

Faust vs. Dalek
Derbe Respecte, Alder
Staubgold

Not so long ago, a young Jersey trio of prodigious mad hiphopologists, Dalek,
undertook a European tour. How they suffered! Until rescued by an old German
kombo of legendary mad progologists, Faust. Transcription of (ob)session
follows:
Facedown bass-clown chews through plaster cast appeal and last appeals.
Artillery fire falls like fossils, into single phylum. Spinal columns of beats
stack, driven home, bent high; remixing bricks, carpets, and windows. In some
crumbling rumble's scratch, soundbeast crawls on. Barrel tongues roll years.
Inventory takes itself, junkyard ripples like hide riding a horsefly:
Groovation gathers. A thin blue flame suspends, not unlike the aural aura of organist
Larry Young, but he died long ago. Miles and Jimi never played together, but
he played with them both. It is also not unlike the gas-jet flame Miles's
autobio claimed to be his earliest memory, seen across a field of whitest stove
top. Atmosphere waits out the needle of such a tiny thrill. But its point has
been made. And if the listener's ear-hole cherry should regrow itself, sealing
feeling? Well. CDs last a while. This one will be waiting.

dow, Friday, 10 June 2022 18:43 (one year ago) link

Followed by this for the collegetown local:

Dalek
Thursday @ the Ravari Room
The cliché tag of “underground” rap is right for Dalek’s pungent layers of sound, which earned them an album-length collaboration with prog pioneers Faust. On their first three albums, they pushed the layers up into towers of rubble, recycling old wars, civilizations, and other lost causes. On 2007’s Abandoned Language, they scrape away the noise, and direct an “Isolated Stare” up at hovering, glittering sounds, through a fractured glass ceiling of frustration. But they persist, rapping and playing over stoically-to-angrily swinging beats. They’re reputedly a formidable live act too.

dow, Friday, 10 June 2022 18:49 (one year ago) link

But also, I need to post a correction: the Tarana album I linked upthread in 2015 involves Ravish Momin, not Dalek's Alap Momin. It's really good, though,and seemed like it had some Dalek appeal.

dow, Friday, 10 June 2022 19:05 (one year ago) link


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