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Broadcast are rather um.. influenced by the United States of America. that's to say they blatantly rip them off from every direction possible.

debden, Monday, 17 January 2005 10:15 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah it's high time i heard this really, given how much i love teh Cast (not John Power)

Stevem On X (blueski), Monday, 17 January 2005 10:21 (nineteen years ago) link

The United States of America LP is a spectacular album. "cloud song" is some of the most blissed out psych of the 60's... what an album.

sun_blindness, Monday, 17 January 2005 11:03 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, i like Broadcast, but the USA/Broadcast thing is one of those unfortunate pairings of old band and new band where knowing the magisterial ancestor really diminishes the work of the contemporary band. Broadcast are good, but they will never write something as spectral and poignant as 'Love Song for the Dead Che'

debden, Monday, 17 January 2005 11:32 (nineteen years ago) link

its only really the first track on the album that broadcast rip off though.
download al stewarts 'turn into earth' if you want to hear even more blatant 'cast liftage!

zappi (joni), Monday, 17 January 2005 11:37 (nineteen years ago) link

i still might give the edge to the field hippies record. although they are both great. and it might be a tie between the first side of the field hippies record and the first side of that first white noise album (another broadcast fave.). i have been debating getting the usa reissue for the extra stuff too, but there is always other stuff that i need more.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 17 January 2005 13:08 (nineteen years ago) link

So that's an acknowledged comparison then? Amateurist said it kind of out of the blue, and we were all like OMG you're right.

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 17 January 2005 14:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Love this album...one of my top ten "sole" LPs ever.

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Monday, 17 January 2005 20:10 (nineteen years ago) link

"So that's an acknowledged comparison then?"

yeah... it's pretty much acknowledged that one of things that binded broadcast early on was a huge love for US of A and that whole scene. it's not like us of a is the only band or set of musicians to sound like that in that time period.

i've had the original LP for a while... great stuff. got this for the bonus stuff and was equally pleased, even tho some of it is just reworkings.

m.

msp (msp), Monday, 17 January 2005 20:21 (nineteen years ago) link

still might give the edge to the field hippies record. although they are both great. and it might be a tie between the first side of the field hippies record and the first side of that first white noise album (another broadcast fave.)

The second side of the Field Hippies record is absolutely fucking DIRE

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 13:00 (nineteen years ago) link

am i being mistaken for amateurist here? please, he's the other verbose and overconfident guy who writes in lower case

debden, Tuesday, 18 January 2005 14:16 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't know, did you sneak into N/A and Sarah's kitchen on Saturday night when we were listening to this record?

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 18 January 2005 16:31 (nineteen years ago) link

actually... yes.

i thought i'd gone unnoticed. i swear it wasn't me who stole off with the microwave, however

debden, Tuesday, 18 January 2005 16:39 (nineteen years ago) link

five months pass...
I think I'm in love. Some of my favourite groups (Cornelius/Flipper's Guitar, The Shortwave Set, Portishead) are either openly influenced, fans, or can be considered part of their lineage. I've been listening to them and Broadcast over the past few days and frankly, the comment on Discogs about Broadcast being a good "gateway band" is spot on - at some point, the USA completely took over my Broadcast listening.

I'd like to get my hands on the extended reissue by means fair or foul and would love to hear the Byrd album and some Silver Apples - I'm on a massive psych tip this summer and I'm fiending.

BARMS, Monday, 20 June 2005 11:46 (eighteen years ago) link

three months pass...
revive

The Brainwasher (Twilight), Thursday, 29 September 2005 21:19 (eighteen years ago) link

They ripedoff Broadcast.

Fuckers.

PappaWheelie B.C., Thursday, 29 September 2005 21:21 (eighteen years ago) link

The Mum & Dad record Marcello and I love so much is probably far more plagiaristic of this record than Broadcast's entire oeuvre.

BARMS, Thursday, 29 September 2005 22:58 (eighteen years ago) link

three months pass...
I might like the Joe Byrd & The Field Hippies album more than I like the USA album, and that's saying quite a lot actually. As good a vocalist as Dorothy was, I think I might like Susan & Victoria better; the vocals to "Moonsong: Pelog" are heavenly. I also like the way this album gives more room to Joseph's arrangements.

Isn't it also supposed to be a concept album about some dystopian future?

Special Agent Gene Krupa (orion), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 03:29 (eighteen years ago) link

My guitar teacher went to UCLA when these guys did and may have known them. He remembers those early synths and goofing around with them.

Cunga (Cunga), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 04:07 (eighteen years ago) link

Moonsong: Pelog is my fave as well.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 04:10 (eighteen years ago) link

a fantastic album.
i didn't even know it had been reissued with 10 extra tracks, i must find that one immediately!

joan vich (joan vich), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 11:01 (eighteen years ago) link

(they're mostly alternate takes, demos, etc. but enjoy anyway!)

Special Agent Gene Krupa (orion), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 17:10 (eighteen years ago) link

bbbBut the second side of Joe Byrd and the Field Hippies is so...dumb!
It's a long way to fall from the highs on the first side.
Just don't ever buy Yankee Transcendoodle.

Tripmaker (SDWitzm), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 17:20 (eighteen years ago) link

the second side is awesome, dude!! the sing along song!!!!

Special Agent Gene Krupa (orion), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 17:24 (eighteen years ago) link

It's not very long.

Tripmaker (SDWitzm), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 17:26 (eighteen years ago) link

two years pass...

The first album is such a wonderful record to throw on during an overcast day.

Display Name, Friday, 4 April 2008 19:24 (sixteen years ago) link

three years pass...

Never heard the s/t album until right now -- holy crap, this stuff is amazing.

Antonio Carlos Broheem (WmC), Saturday, 8 October 2011 19:22 (twelve years ago) link

It is! And this thread just learned me there's a reissue with 10 new songs o_O

Young Swell (Le Bateau Ivre), Saturday, 8 October 2011 20:12 (twelve years ago) link

Some of them are alternate versions of songs on the original album. The 20-song reissue is on Spotify.

Antonio Carlos Broheem (WmC), Saturday, 8 October 2011 20:44 (twelve years ago) link

one year passes...

'The Garden Of Earthly Delights' = wonderful. I love this record.

The Jupiter 8 (Turrican), Sunday, 13 January 2013 01:46 (eleven years ago) link

Long time USA fan here.

My fave by them (which is a different style from most of their stuff) is this Beatle-esque track:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L11Mh5kSOnc

kafkaesque (c21m50nh3x460n), Sunday, 13 January 2013 03:25 (eleven years ago) link

Great album, sometimes 60s psych doesn't translate well to the LP format but this is strong pretty much all of the way through

Gouty_Ted, Sunday, 13 January 2013 10:03 (eleven years ago) link

Very short lived band, you can see how long the recording line-up lasted from looking at the dates of the bonus material on the Sundazed cd.

That Sundazed cd comes with better sound than the older Edsel version. Plus the bonus tracks. Doesn't have the lyrics printed as earlier versions did, but does have an interview with Byrd.

I'm not as familiar with the Joe Byrd and the Field Hippies recording but I think the s/t USA is pretty essential in its Sundazed version.

Stevolende, Sunday, 13 January 2013 11:10 (eleven years ago) link

Oh & I kept getting tracks from the White Noise lp an Electrical Storm popping up on random on my walkman, not knowing who it was and thinking it sounded a lot like them so that might be a close parallel if you're looking for similar music.

Stevolende, Sunday, 13 January 2013 11:12 (eleven years ago) link

Fifty Foot Hose from San Francisco were kind of similar, too.

timellison, Sunday, 13 January 2013 16:04 (eleven years ago) link

one month passes...

45 years old today and still sounding psychedelic.

nonightsweats, Thursday, 7 March 2013 03:31 (eleven years ago) link

Album of early Joseph Byrd compositions was reviewed in the last issue of Wire, anyone mentioned it on ILM?

.... the rest look like Dudley Sutton (Tom D.), Thursday, 7 March 2013 13:42 (eleven years ago) link

was listening to early 70's country joe album yesterday and i never noticed that dorothy is on it. great record. paris sessions.

scott seward, Thursday, 7 March 2013 13:49 (eleven years ago) link

three months pass...

Teriffic record here.

we must live with the baroness (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 14 June 2013 06:25 (ten years ago) link

yes. especially love "Love Song For The Dead Che"

ttyih boi (crüt), Friday, 14 June 2013 06:26 (ten years ago) link

Yah that song almost feels like it was written for the stage or something...

we must live with the baroness (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 14 June 2013 08:14 (ten years ago) link

seven years pass...

Where's the rest of it though?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdJyyJmLTns

The Fields o' Fat Henry (Tom D.), Friday, 3 July 2020 14:09 (three years ago) link

two years pass...

Today on @aquadrunkard Transmissions: psychedelic pioneer Dorothy Moskowitz of United States of America joins me to discuss her apocalyptic @tsq2 LP Under An Endless Sky, counter culture history, thoughts on Broadcast’s Trish Keenan, and more.

Listen: https://t.co/11KJoW9T42 pic.twitter.com/lZdrXMBBNc

— Jason P. Woodbury (@jasonpwoodbury) March 8, 2023

Just started this listening to this interview with Dorothy Moskowitz and surprised to hear she was a big fan of Broadcast.

city worker, Wednesday, 8 March 2023 16:52 (one year ago) link

From Tompkins Square Records thread---I should have thought to post it on this 'un as well:

Dorothy Moskowitz & The United States of Alchemy - Under an Endless Sky - Available via Tompkins Square - March 17, 2023
Under An Endless Sky represents the interchange that took place between electronic composer Francesco Paolo Paladino, composer and writer Luca Chino Ferrari, and the legendary Dorothy Moskowitz, an icon of underground culture who broke all kinds of new ground as a member of The United States of America. Led by the charismatic composer Joseph Byrd, the band released their lone eponymous album on Columbia Records in 1968. It has taken on a mythic status that has grown through the years, sampled by Diplo and Mac Miller and widely acknowledged as a visionary psychedelic classic.
Francesco Paolo Paladino, an avant-garde Italian composer contacted Dorothy, inviting her to sing on some of his compositions. When she heard his 2021 CD release of Barene & Other Works, she recognized that they shared a similarly experimental point of view and she accepted his invitation. Paladino is known for his collaborations with Martyn Bates, Allison O'Donnell, Simon Fisher Turner, and other world-renowned contemporary composers, as well as his own sought-after 1985 debut LP Doublings and Silences Volume 1.

Francesco has long collaborated with Italian writer Luca Chino Ferrari, author of biographies of Nick Drake, Third Ear Band, Captain Beefheart, Tim Buckley and Syd Barrett. He submitted lyrics to Dorothy and together they began a profound and unique collaboration on the adaptation of lyrics to music, delving into words and meanings, phonetic properties and their singability. “Lyrics that have the audacity to deal with complex themes of human existence, real philosophical cutaways that look at reality and question it, often without offering answers,” says Ferrari.

Moskowitz's extraordinary voice and modal melodies float over Paladino's magical musical textures. There are no guitars, bass, drums or other technological devilry, but only virtual sounds (sometimes without even keyboards) upon which are grafted some acoustic interventions: violins and violas, woodwinds and percussion entrusted to excellent musicians such as Italians Riccardo Sinigaglia, Angelo Contini, Stefano Scala, Trio Cavallazzi and Gino Ape, and English folker Sean Breadin.

Recommended If You Like : Late-stage Marianne Faithfull, Mercury Rev, Terry Riley, Flaming Lips, Italian electronic music, The United States of America.

Also RIYL:Laser Pace - Granfalloon (Takoma - 1974) Wow!

dow, Wednesday, 8 March 2023 17:45 (one year ago) link

three weeks pass...

https://tompkinssquare.bandcamp.com/album/under-an-endless-sky

anyone else listen to this? i was pretty impressed by the 22-minute title track, with moskowitz doing some marianne faithfull-style singing over a gorgeous orchestral drone. but after that i didn't have the energy to check out the rest of the album (yet)

na (NA), Tuesday, 4 April 2023 12:53 (one year ago) link

Dorothy Moskowitz & The United States of Alchemy is hailed via WIRE, MOJO, UNCUT, The New Yorker and many more.

** Bay Area & Friends of Bay Area ! Dorothy will be signing copies of her new album, and your vintage copies of The United States of America's 1968 Columbia Records debut LP : Saturday April 8, 1-3pm, Mars Record Shop, Oakland

"Moskowitz breaks the celestial-ocean surface in the 22-minute title
piece with warm, melodic logic, in corkscrew-lullaby arcs. Six shorter pieces evoke her haunted caroling and moonwalk balladry in the original USA – and make you hope she has phone messages waiting from Mercury Rev and The Flaming Lips."
★ ★ ★ ★ - David Fricke, MOJO


Forgot about this thread:
The United States of America/Broadcast/Stereolab

dow, Wednesday, 12 April 2023 21:27 (one year ago) link

Damn I'd like to go to that signing! Never did get Joe Byrd & The Field Hippies or his Yankee Transcendoodle or Country Joe's Paris album incl. Dorothy, but still have my high school copy of The United States of America---I may have read a review, but prob the cover, with her looking awesomely poised and the guys like A-V geeks/me, tipped the scales.

dow, Wednesday, 12 April 2023 21:33 (one year ago) link

high school copy of orig. LP, that is, don't have the CD w bonus tracks.

dow, Wednesday, 12 April 2023 21:34 (one year ago) link

I had previously heard the two Northern Picture Library covers of "Love Song for the Dead Che" but today while searching on YouTube, I learned that there was a contemporaneous (1969) jazz cover of it by Phil Woods - according to the credits, Herbie Hancock plays piano on the Woods album ("Round Trip") with that track (but I'm not sure if Hancock specifically is on that track).

ernestp, Sunday, 16 April 2023 17:36 (one year ago) link

two months pass...

Thanks, had never heard of that version!
Aquarium Drunkard interviews Dorothy Moskowitz (and Tompkins Square says she'll chat w fans via TS Bandcamp on July 15)

o quote album art master and AD visual guru D. Norsen: “Dorothy Moskowitz might not be a household name but was a musician on two of the headiest albums I know: 1967’s Vocal And Instrumental Ragas From South India on Folkways and 1968’s United States of America on CBS.”
Moskowitz is our guest this week on Transmissions. She joins us to discuss not only the pioneering psychedelia she made in the past with collaborators like Joe Byrd and Country Joe, but also her brand new album, coming out soon from Tompkins Square. It’s called Under the Endless Sky, and it’s credited to Dorothy Moskowitz & The United States of Alchemy. Working with Italian electronic composer Francesco Paolo Paladino and composer and writer Luca Chino Ferrari, it represents a new vision from the 83 year old artist, at once apocalyptic, vivid, and transcendent.
link for this page, which links to interview and other stuff:
https://aquariumdrunkard.com/2023/03/08/transmissions-dorothy-moskowitz-the-united-states-of-america/

dow, Friday, 30 June 2023 19:40 (ten months ago) link

Aquarium Drunkard interviews Dorothy Moskowitz (and Tompkins Square says she'll chat w fans via TS Bandcamp on July 15)

oh tompkins square, gotcha. i misread acronyms sometimes.

Kate (rushomancy), Friday, 30 June 2023 20:05 (ten months ago) link

Wow!

Looking For Mr. Goodreads (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 30 June 2023 21:43 (ten months ago) link

Most unexpected return of 2023?

Halfway there but for you, Friday, 30 June 2023 21:52 (ten months ago) link

Italian electronic composer Francesco Paolo Paladino

omg omg omg so psyched

out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Friday, 30 June 2023 21:55 (ten months ago) link

Haven’t listened to the original album since Mrs. Redd hid it on me long ago, sounding great now. Hearing a kinship with Hair OBC or however you acronym it.

Looking For Mr. Goodreads (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 30 June 2023 22:17 (ten months ago) link

whoa, this is what i hoped would happen every time i've clicked on the thread with all the maps

carthage marine park (Deflatormouse), Friday, 30 June 2023 23:01 (ten months ago) link

Lol

Looking For Mr. Goodreads (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 30 June 2023 23:07 (ten months ago) link

nice

1967’s Vocal And Instrumental Ragas From South India on Folkways

listen carefully and you'll hear joe byrd sampling a short piece from that on the field hippies album

no lime tangier, Saturday, 1 July 2023 01:17 (ten months ago) link

Seems to already be available for streaming? Listening to it right now.

Looking For Mr. Goodreads (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 1 July 2023 14:28 (ten months ago) link

this is great

out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Saturday, 1 July 2023 16:06 (ten months ago) link

Yeah, Na posted link upthread, here tis again: https://tompkinssquare.bandcamp.com/album/under-an-endless-sky
Tompkins Square is vary generous with many of their releases!

dow, Saturday, 1 July 2023 16:48 (ten months ago) link

This is so cool, reminds me a lot of Battiato's Sulle Corde Di Aries. It's such a treat to hear her voice again.

J. Sam, Saturday, 1 July 2023 17:01 (ten months ago) link

I haven't followed Paladino very much since his Doubling Riders days, I need to catch up

out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Saturday, 1 July 2023 17:03 (ten months ago) link

wait a second it was MOSKOWITZ who did the voiceover on "Cracks"? that's kind of a legendary sesame street bit, one of those things that people only had hazy, terrifying childhood memories of for a long time

Kate (rushomancy), Saturday, 1 July 2023 17:55 (ten months ago) link

five months pass...

https://f4.bcbits.com/img/a2592522591_10.jpg

Tompkins Square is pleased to release “Rising to Eternity,” written and produced by singer/songwriter Dorothy Moskowitz. The album follows her acclaimed April 2023 release,' Under An Endless Sky."

Moskowitz is an icon of underground culture who broke all kinds of new ground as a member of The United States of America. Led by the charismatic composer Joseph Byrd, the band released their lone eponymous album on Columbia Records in 1968. It has taken on a mythic status that has grown through the years, sampled by Diplo and Mac Miller and widely acknowledged as a visionary psychedelic classic.

"Rising To Eternity" is a musical reverie about the WEBB Telescope, launched on Christmas Day of 2021. The telescope enables a more detailed exploration of the early universe than has ever been feasible before. The album will be released on Christmas Day of 2023 to commemorate the event.

When asked what impelled her to consider a telescope as the subject of an album, Dorothy said:

“I felt the Webb launch to be like the “moonwalk” of this century, only with our hopelessly ravaged society, no one has the heart or stomach to celebrate anything at all. It began with an instrumental tribute, but the more I wrote, the more free-form fantasy took hold. I included a life form that emerges without light or water, I explored unnamed dimensions inhabiting dark matter, and scored unlikely dialogues between forces of creation and destruction. I think that an event of this magnitude sparks peoples’ imagination if they know about it and I’d like people to know about it."

It’s her first solo album, but also features work by artists with whom she’s recently collaborated such as composer Peter Olof Fransson, and writers Tim Lucas and Luca Chino Ferrari. Her daughter, vocalist Melissa Falarski, contributes back up on several cuts and there is also a track by sound sculptor Larnie Fox. To her pastiche of electronica, Dorothy has added live recordings of her live piano and viola and has incorporated drone washes from NASA archival recordings.

credits
releases December 25, 2023

Advance track, pre-order info:
https://tompkinssquare.bandcamp.com/album/rising-to-eternity

dow, Tuesday, 5 December 2023 04:28 (four months ago) link

bump. Posted late, dunno how many people have seen this.

dow, Wednesday, 6 December 2023 02:01 (four months ago) link

two months pass...

new record from Moskowitz:

https://f4.bcbits.com/img/a2938539149_10.jpg

Following the instantly sold out Afterlife 7" EP at the end of 2023, we are pleased to present the full Afterlife album by influential vocalist, musician & songwriter Dorothy Moskowitz (United States Of America / United States Of Alchemy) & producer Retep Folo a.k.a. Peter Olof Fransson (Reportage / The Owl Report).

Fans of 1960's psychedelia, early 1970's experimental rock &
eco-conceptual electronics will find plenty to savour amongst the 14 tracks on this finely crafted album. Utilising an array of vintage instruments, Peter conjures avant-garde chorales & strange mantras bound in slabs of fuzz guitar, whimsical keyboards, jagged synths & menacing percussion. With Dorothy contributing voices, words & additional music together they have produced an album layered in arcane sound, mystical wisdom & urgent prophecy.

Dorothy explored some of these themes on the legendary United States of America album back in 1967, an enduring psych classic & major influence on artists such as Broadcast, Stereolab & Portishead. With Peter's meticulous production bringing these far-reaching sounds and ideas full circle, The Afterlife is a heady mix that manages to acknowledge the past whilst contemplating humanity's uncertain future.

Comparable to the sonic worlds of Mort Garson, Bruce Haack, Alessandro Alessandroni, Alain Goraguer, David Axelrod, Franco Battiato, Maria Monti, Brigitte Fontaine & Areski, The Afterlife is a heartfelt paean to nature's self-regulating cycles & our fragile planet.

https://buriedtreasure.bandcamp.com/album/the-afterlife

bulb after bulb, Monday, 4 March 2024 13:38 (one month ago) link


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