Big Ron does a Kilroy...

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Hill seemingly oblivious to the baggage of racial slurs. It's not the term, it's the associations. Even if the protagonist is not an aggressive racist (which Atkinson clearly isn't).

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 13 May 2004 13:56 (nineteen years ago) link

the logic of the argument is akin to 'Paki's just an abbreviation, like Brit' - but nobody says 'Brit' in a spiteful tone like that

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 13 May 2004 13:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, but e's done well for a chinny, aint e?

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 13 May 2004 14:00 (nineteen years ago) link

i dont think atkinson will be as pleased about this 'support' as hill might imagine he would be

― gareth (gareth), Thursday, 13 May 2004 14:00 (nineteen years ago) link

i wonder what that noble bastion of the beautiful game (read pompous reactionary buffoon) Jeff Powell makes of it all...

okay i've stopped wondering now.

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 13 May 2004 14:02 (nineteen years ago) link

Let us not forget that this comes from a man who famously, in a live FA Cup tie between Leeds and Man Utd, pondered whether Leeds' poor defending at corners came from their use of two African footballers - reasoning that they probably weren't as clever as the other footballers. No, really.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 13 May 2004 14:11 (nineteen years ago) link

Also Alan Green of Five Live referring to Sun Ji Hi as "Number 27 - chicken chow mein".

Aaah, loveable racist banter.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 13 May 2004 14:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Exactly why don't you people rise up and cover morons like this in creosote? I mean, it's the least to be done.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 13 May 2004 14:22 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm shocked at Alan Green. Not Jimmy Hill, mind.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 13 May 2004 14:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Scotland to thread: We hate Jimmy Hill, he's a pouf...

― suzy (suzy), Thursday, 13 May 2004 14:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Why can't Andy Townsend say something like this? I'd love to see him hounded out of a job. Also, Robbie Earle's face would be a picture.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 13 May 2004 14:37 (nineteen years ago) link

Des Lynam: "Andy, Shaun Wright-Phillips is having a good season, should he be looking for a England place?"
Andy Townsend "No Des. He's black".

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 13 May 2004 14:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Unfortunately for you Townsend is as racist as he is Irish

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 13 May 2004 14:49 (nineteen years ago) link

i imagine he'll be sacked by sky pretty soon?

― toby (tsg20), Thursday, 13 May 2004 18:09 (nineteen years ago) link

i don't think sky would sack him just for *defending* ron's remarks. he would have to use the n-word himself (or something similar), rather than defend the use of it, to be fired. hill's remarks are supremely ignorant, but i don't see him losing his job for this.

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Thursday, 13 May 2004 18:25 (nineteen years ago) link

i'm inclined to think of Hill as naive rather than ignorant but i could be wrong.

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 13 May 2004 18:50 (nineteen years ago) link

What's the difference?

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 13 May 2004 18:57 (nineteen years ago) link

Wow. Is it too late to withdraw my 'we treasure Hill' remark?
Actually I remember an emphasis on his 'patriotism' in a channel 4 profile about him; I chastised myself at the time for seeing anything wrong in that. But there was definitely a touch of little Englander about it.
He's ignorant and witless not naive. He's an experienced guy. For some reason he thinks it still the 1950s. (or 60s or 70s...).

― de, Thursday, 13 May 2004 19:21 (nineteen years ago) link

That strikes me as far worse than Big Ron's comments, to be honest. I hope Jimmy Hill finds himself out of work for this.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 13 May 2004 21:05 (nineteen years ago) link

exactly martin - it seems to be an order of magnitude worse to me. at least ron didn't offer (much) defence and apologised.

― toby (tsg20), Friday, 14 May 2004 05:01 (nineteen years ago) link

hill is always v "pro-england", that twattish st george's bow-tie he used to wear on the BBC, and loads of innuendo abt black players...

...but yes, i'd say this was worse than ron, at least he KNEW he'd done something wrong, not that that excuses saying it, of course...

― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Friday, 14 May 2004 08:19 (nineteen years ago) link

the thing is that both of them are not exhibiting an actual hatred of black people, they're just saying stupid things about/towards them

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 14 May 2004 08:31 (nineteen years ago) link

The irony of it all is that Jimmy Hill is black.

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Friday, 14 May 2004 08:33 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.sportsattic.com/nflphoto/photos4/Hill,Jimmy1.jpg

Tis true, tis true

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 14 May 2004 08:38 (nineteen years ago) link

is that Ryan Giggs's dad?

― stevem (blueski), Friday, 14 May 2004 08:39 (nineteen years ago) link

five months pass...

He was interviewed on The Frank Skinner show this evening. An mp3 of his infamous commentary was mentioned - Google delivered the goods.

Pretty bleak viewing at points I thought. Can he relaunch his career?

― bert (bert), Thursday, 11 November 2004 23:39 (nineteen years ago) link

Let's hope not.

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Friday, 12 November 2004 07:59 (nineteen years ago) link

Do you think anyone misses him? I don't.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Friday, 12 November 2004 10:08 (nineteen years ago) link

a little

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Friday, 12 November 2004 10:10 (nineteen years ago) link

two months pass...

Oh dear

― Dave B (daveb), Sunday, 23 January 2005 11:02 (nineteen years ago) link

this is genius!!!!
But Mr Atkinson defended himself today. He said: "I cannot believe anyone has complained about anything I said. I went there to help them out and to raise money. I stayed for ages and did photographs.

!!!!hahaha

― ken c (ken c), Sunday, 23 January 2005 11:28 (nineteen years ago) link

It's the second blunder made by Mr Atkinson, who made off-air racist comments last April which were accidently broadcast on a Middle East sports channel following a match between Chelsea and Monaco.

they keep mentioning the 'broadcast on Middle East TV' thing every bloody time. this is almost racism itself in the way that it implies people in the Middle East would actually be PERSONALLY offended by what Ron said ffs.

― Stevem On X (blueski), Sunday, 23 January 2005 13:17 (nineteen years ago) link

i had imagined that it was just trying to describe how the off-air comments ended up getting broadcasted. but there may well be the implication as you'd described i guess.

― ken c (ken c), Sunday, 23 January 2005 13:35 (nineteen years ago) link

Is Ron having his life scripted by Linehan and Matthews?

― Masked Gazza, Sunday, 23 January 2005 14:15 (nineteen years ago) link

The Chinese - a great bunch of lads.

― Ally C (Ally C), Sunday, 23 January 2005 15:15 (nineteen years ago) link

shame about the lassies though

― ken c (ken c), Sunday, 23 January 2005 16:55 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.stuii.co.uk/images/sitesupport/roger-mellie.gif

"Bloocks"

― David Merryweather (DavidM), Sunday, 23 January 2005 18:44 (nineteen years ago) link

two months pass...

If it wasn't fot those pesky kids, he'd have gotten away with it...

Also, 'Sunday Sport columnist'. Sheesh.

― Dave B (daveb), Monday, 4 April 2005 06:37 (nineteen years ago) link

My conscience is not in my heart.

I did not know about this. Well done, Dwight Yorke and Co.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Monday, 4 April 2005 10:01 (nineteen years ago) link

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