letz talk abt gucci mane

Rick Ross emerged as the new gangsta rapper to ironically embrace, and Lil Wayne's I Am Not a Human Being promises to satisfy every itch -- musically daring, technically sound, and worthy of pop attention.

^^lol yeah there are some other thunderously goofy lines in this too i forgot

the whole thing about him being flanked by other artists 'we' like ironically is so gross and insular

what does it even mean??

lol at the idea of "i am not a human being" being "musically daring"

the whole thing about him being flanked by other artists 'we' like ironically is so gross and insular

― j. sargent & lil k3v (deej), Sunday, October 17, 2010 6:05 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

so otm

or technically sound or worthy of pop attention

well yes

like hes writing for a fucking national magazine but hes targeting the article at the friends he goes shopping for ironic fashions with at the village discount?? for real?

what does it even mean??

― j. sargent & lil k3v (deej), Sunday, October 17, 2010 7:06 PM (36 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

seems pretty fucken obvious to anyone not constantly playing "hip-hop babe in the words" about the type of attitudes perpetuated on places like this very message board.

like the piece is in spin, not murder dog. sounds like dude knows his audience. don't know why you're getting up in arms about this

haha of course. ok then genius, explain it

i love how he feels a social obligation to ask gucci about his teeth because "gossip is gossip"

what does it mean to 'ironically' like something. does it just mean, 'listen to it and not put it on your year-end list'? hes written something as if its meaning is self-evident but i dont really think it is

lol @ whiney's angle here being "everybody knows what that means yeesh"

i was all ready to write a letter to the editor asking how they were stupid enough to send a reporter to interview gucci mane that didn't ask him about whether is teeth are real, but thankfully he did

if asking about gucci mane's teeth is what it means to like something 'ironically' & thats what spin readers are looking for, fuck all of them

"i'm so beyond hipster that all my friends ONLY listen to music genuinely" is like the most bald-faced hipster crypto-braggart argument ever, deej. you've become MORE of a hipster in my eyes in the last minute or so

are you going to answer my question about what listening to gucci 'ironically' means or ...

hey whiney sometimes an argument isnt about me trying to 'prove' who i am to you, its about the actual contents of the argument in question, such as, WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO LIKE GUCCI MANE 'IRONICALLY,' as signified in that article?

like seriously, if only YOU wrote for some popular music website that perpetuated an idea of listening to people like R. Kelly and Lil Wayne and Dipset because they're "so crazy" before "they make good music."

I feel like only then you could truly understand.

like i understand that everything about 'hipsters' is some kind of dick-measuring game to you, but im actually trying to focus on an article's relationship to the music in question, not further my 'personal internet brand' --

like seriously, if only YOU wrote for some popular music website that perpetuated an idea of listening to people like R. Kelly and Lil Wayne and Dipset because they're "so crazy" before "they make good music."

I feel like only then you could truly understand.

― jeezy and the ayy-dog (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, October 17, 2010 6:17 PM (12 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

what does the venue i write for have to do with anything? here's a secret :writing for pitchfork does not make me any better able to read the minds of its writers -- if they wrote something like this i would be equally mystified

you keep making this about me instead of answering the simple question: what does the writer mean when he makes those statements about listening to gucci mane 'ironically' -- please deconstruct

i know you think im playing faux-naif here but if you could just go along with that for a minute & explain how what hes saying is in any way 'defensible' for a journalist, interviewing an artist, in a national magazine, whoever your perceived impression of its audience is, id really appreciate it

i'm saying anyone who follows the way indie rock writers cover rap music and ostensibly how indie rock listeners consume rap music (which I assume you are up on because you were all psyched on cracking the "coke-rap Da Vinci Code" in that other thread) knows there's thus undertone of "I like this because lol so crazy" that has been around since lil' 'fork was dropping critical bombs about Kool Keith. If you can't see Gucci at the end of this rainbow (WAU HE MIGHT PULL UP ON A ZEBRA) then you're not paying attention.

whether it's right to do it, i assume the comment itself an ironic comment to the ephemeral way that hipsters consume rap music. And OH MY GOD, printed magazine proof of my long-standing theory that hipsters love Gucci Mane

which, before you cry again, never for a second meant ONLY hipsters like Gucci Mane

like it's an jokey statement that says "some of gucci's appeal has been in that weird, ironic way that some hipsters listen to rap"

the writer is on our side.

so ... i AM right to be up in arms about this, is what you are saying? that an ostensible 'journalist' writing for a publication, EVEN ONE TARGETING HIP WHITE PPL, should probably NOT be falling into this offensive line of thinking, right?

i mean, i still question the notion that any respectable journalist should drop such culturally loaded "wink-wink!" subliminal coded messages to his audience & still be taken seriously. the lack of deconstruction in this case is embarrassing for spin, in my opinion

i dont see how hes on 'our side' -- it seems more like reinforcing that this is a legitimate way of consuming music, to me

he's saying it happens, not that it's right

i mean, why give people with shitty approaches to music this much significance to a story on someone they are clearly not all that concerned with, who they think is just some wacky eccentric?

i dont really see the IRONIC APPRECIATOR's relevance to this story, even writing for this magazine's fanbase, unless you are specifically going to critique that approach instead of acknowledging it passively

that much significance = half a sentence?

Even as Miley Cyrus calls him her favorite rapper

wait did this actually happen?

he's using them as an example of how gucci has gone from 'very hyped' to 'not-so-hyped' -- i dont think that the bulk of the hype for gucci's music ever came from this group of people or ever will -- hes writing from a blinkered perspective that isnt taking a big-picture look at things. who he goes to the bar with is not the rest of the country

it's a dumb sentence & the reasons hipsters like things isn't really noteworthy, but it is just half a sentence

smh

hey i didnt ask to have a big discussion about it-- i thought we were all just pointing out dumb sentences

what he said about hipsters wasn't as offensive as what he said about lil wayne

what he said about lil wayne is at least arguable!

j0rdan I wondered abt the miley thing too...apparently she did say that: http://rapradar.com/2010/06/23/miley-cyrus-digs-gucci-mane-oj-da-juiceman/

her pull quote there is pretty lol/smh

i mean, for the record

hey i didnt ask to have a big discussion about it

please deconstruct

― j. sargent & lil k3v (deej), Sunday, October 17, 2010 6:19 PM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark

Foots says:
Wednesday, June 23 2010 at 9:38 AM EST
“In about three years, holla at me Miley Cyrus”

i dont think that the bulk of the hype for gucci's music ever came from this group of people or ever will

i agree with you 100% on this. But a chunk of it that Spin readers care about HAS come from this group of people, which is why it's OK to mention it imho. Not a lot of Arcade Fire fans give a flying dick about what Miley Cyrus says, b ut they do care which rappers it's OK to ironically like this month

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i think the lesson here is that people shouldn't read rap radar

please deconstruct

― j. sargent & lil k3v (deej), Sunday, October 17, 2010 6:19 PM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark

― truly blunted rhyme fiend (J0rdan S.), Sunday, October 17, 2010 6:36 PM (20 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

...which was in response to whiney calling me out for suggesting that sentence was 'dumb' -- he could have just nodded in agreement?

i'm more interested in 'deconstructing' the veracity of this statement

Gangsta rap is a genre built on pedigree, perceived or otherwise -- the tougher the individual and the tougher the background, the better for business. But despite all of the tough talk, no other major rapper of the modern era has been widely believed to have actually killed a man. And while Gucci doesn't say it himself, it's hard not to think that it's precisely because of the attempted murder case, as well as the assault charge, the parade of prison stints, and the tales of violence at video shoots and in random run-ins in the Atlanta streets, that Gucci is able to make disarmingly playful records like "Lemonade," "Wasted" and "Pills." A different rapper might have to spend all of those records rapping with something to prove. But for Gucci, that's simply, or perhaps not so simply, not the case.

b ut they do care which rappers it's OK to ironically like this month

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― jeezy and the ayy-dog (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, October 17, 2010 6:36 PM (30 seconds ago) Bookmark

they can 'care' about this but i think that its harmful/stupid for any respectable journalist to reinforce this kind of thinking. its simply not journalistic

also, what is this in reference to

and the tales of violence at video shoots and in random run-ins in the Atlanta streets

deej i think we all know your stance