letz talk abt gucci mane

hey i didnt ask to have a big discussion about it-- i thought we were all just pointing out dumb sentences

what he said about hipsters wasn't as offensive as what he said about lil wayne

what he said about lil wayne is at least arguable!

j0rdan I wondered abt the miley thing too...apparently she did say that: http://rapradar.com/2010/06/23/miley-cyrus-digs-gucci-mane-oj-da-juiceman/

her pull quote there is pretty lol/smh

i mean, for the record

hey i didnt ask to have a big discussion about it

please deconstruct

― j. sargent & lil k3v (deej), Sunday, October 17, 2010 6:19 PM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark

Foots says:
Wednesday, June 23 2010 at 9:38 AM EST
“In about three years, holla at me Miley Cyrus”

i dont think that the bulk of the hype for gucci's music ever came from this group of people or ever will

i agree with you 100% on this. But a chunk of it that Spin readers care about HAS come from this group of people, which is why it's OK to mention it imho. Not a lot of Arcade Fire fans give a flying dick about what Miley Cyrus says, b ut they do care which rappers it's OK to ironically like this month

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i think the lesson here is that people shouldn't read rap radar

please deconstruct

― j. sargent & lil k3v (deej), Sunday, October 17, 2010 6:19 PM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark

― truly blunted rhyme fiend (J0rdan S.), Sunday, October 17, 2010 6:36 PM (20 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

...which was in response to whiney calling me out for suggesting that sentence was 'dumb' -- he could have just nodded in agreement?

i'm more interested in 'deconstructing' the veracity of this statement

Gangsta rap is a genre built on pedigree, perceived or otherwise -- the tougher the individual and the tougher the background, the better for business. But despite all of the tough talk, no other major rapper of the modern era has been widely believed to have actually killed a man. And while Gucci doesn't say it himself, it's hard not to think that it's precisely because of the attempted murder case, as well as the assault charge, the parade of prison stints, and the tales of violence at video shoots and in random run-ins in the Atlanta streets, that Gucci is able to make disarmingly playful records like "Lemonade," "Wasted" and "Pills." A different rapper might have to spend all of those records rapping with something to prove. But for Gucci, that's simply, or perhaps not so simply, not the case.

b ut they do care which rappers it's OK to ironically like this month

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― jeezy and the ayy-dog (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, October 17, 2010 6:36 PM (30 seconds ago) Bookmark

they can 'care' about this but i think that its harmful/stupid for any respectable journalist to reinforce this kind of thinking. its simply not journalistic

also, what is this in reference to

and the tales of violence at video shoots and in random run-ins in the Atlanta streets

deej i think we all know your stance

Gangsta rap is a genre built on pedigree, perceived or otherwise -- the tougher the individual and the tougher the background, the better for business. But despite all of the tough talk, no other major rapper of the modern era has been widely believed to have actually killed a man. And while Gucci doesn't say it himself, it's hard not to think that it's precisely because of the attempted murder case, as well as the assault charge, the parade of prison stints, and the tales of violence at video shoots and in random run-ins in the Atlanta streets, that Gucci is able to make disarmingly playful records like "Lemonade," "Wasted" and "Pills." A different rapper might have to spend all of those records rapping with something to prove. But for Gucci, that's simply, or perhaps not so simply, not the case.

― truly blunted rhyme fiend (J0rdan S.), Sunday, October 17, 2010 6:37 PM (28 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i think that the music itself actually contains this contradiction (the violence / playfulness thing) and that the 'actual' 'murder' is only related the way his entire life story/background is ... it seems like a lot of times writers put a lot of emphasis on that sort of 'pedigree' as if they're partly suspicious of the fanbase/audience for not judging the 'more important' subject matter of the primarily but imo they tend to overrate the audience's focus on i.e. snoop's murder charge ... isnt it possible that snoop just made some really good music? well now that seems obvious ....

this is part of why diplo's suggestion that gucci is just a harmless friendly guy is so not-getting-it -- his 'playfulness' requires the underpinnings of violence to be effective, its like a precise tension that makes that sort of thing work -- reducing gucci to a gangster rap teddy bear misses the point entirely

I think the sentence is fine. i think the fact that indie rockers continue to have a culturally retarded attituded towards rap is disgusting (and I believe the author does too).

I remember when "Hyphy" came out there was some fuckface in wbug who wrote "MAKE A BABYMAMA SLAP HER BABYDADDY" on the back of a sleeveless denim jacket in white out.

wburg, mean "williamsburg"

"as if they're partly suspicious of the fanbase/audience for not judging the 'more important' subject matter of the MUSIC primarily..."

correction on my post

by 'underpinnings of violence' i mean aesthetically -- ugh i should rewrite that whole post

i think that the music itself actually contains this contradiction (the violence / playfulness thing) and that the 'actual' 'murder' is only related the way his entire life story/background is ... it seems like a lot of times writers put a lot of emphasis on that sort of 'pedigree' as if they're partly suspicious of the fanbase/audience for not judging the 'more important' matter of the music 'itself' -- but imo they tend to overrate the audience's focus on i.e. snoop's murder charge ... isnt it possible that snoop just made some really good music that people liked? well now that seems obvious, but at the time, they were being fooled by his violent pedigree!! he was 'keeping it real' which is what that audience 'wants' ....

this is part of why diplo's suggestion that gucci is just a harmless friendly guy is so not-getting-it -- his 'playfulness' requires the aesthetic underpinnings of violence to be effective, its like a precise tension that makes that sort of thing work -- reducing gucci to a gangster rap teddy bear misses the point entirely

― j. sargent & lil k3v (deej), Sunday, October 17, 2010 6:41 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

^^^corrected version

i do like that you are making strides to explain what the words you use actually mean

^^^'ironic'

Gangsta rap is a genre built on pedigree, perceived or otherwise -- the tougher the individual and the tougher the background, the better for business. But despite all of the tough talk, no other major rapper of the modern era has been widely believed to have actually killed a man. And while Gucci doesn't say it himself, it's hard not to think that it's precisely because of the attempted murder case, as well as the assault charge, the parade of prison stints, and the tales of violence at video shoots and in random run-ins in the Atlanta streets, that Gucci is able to make disarmingly playful records like "Lemonade," "Wasted" and "Pills." A different rapper might have to spend all of those records rapping with something to prove. But for Gucci, that's simply, or perhaps not so simply, not the case.

― truly blunted rhyme fiend (J0rdan S.), Sunday, October 17, 2010 6:37 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

anyway this doesn't really seem true to me -- i think gucci can make "disarmingly playful records" because he's able to stay 'street' in his raps, not because people go "oh well this dude is 'real' because he killed a man. this 'playful' record isn't soft" -- like, "lemonade" has kids singing a chorus, but okay, so does "i'm a thug" & that song is about, you know, being a thug -- the hook is certainly disarming, but it has nothing to do with trick's irl 'realness' -- & "wasted" and "pillz" are pretty street records anyway

i think its important j0rdan that u note that he is able to pull off a more playful persona than most rappers are, but i really do think its about aesthetic balances more than backstory ...

i mean aside from the fact that oj isn't really all that talented, part of the reason that he's less successful than gucci is because he seems like an actual clown -- the fact that he's actually been shot irl does nothing to really help his rep

the whole "his audience likes him because he KEEPS IT REAL/ONCE KILLED SOMEONE" is a long-held cliche that imo deserves a lot more analysis

although there is obv an element of it that is true ... outlaw performers have always had a love-hate relationship w/ american society

but i really do think its about aesthetic balances more than backstory ...

― j. sargent & lil k3v (deej), Sunday, October 17, 2010 6:47 PM (58 seconds ago) Bookmark

well i think i said this in my post

i still think oj has gotten an unfair shake bcuz of his proximity to gucci & the need for ppl defending gucci to have a stick to beat 'actually-ignorant' rap with

well i think i said this in my post

― truly blunted rhyme fiend (J0rdan S.), Sunday, October 17, 2010 6:49 PM (39 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i think i said that in my post before your post!!

i was just reiterating bro

i do wonder if 'realness' is becoming less important now that there is a smaller pool of rappers -- like were people just willing to overlook the ross/PO fiasco solely because he's one of the only large scale rappers putting out massive street bangers

i think that there was always a weird contradiction w/r/t rap audiences relationship w/ 'realness' but im not sure how it would have changed over time ... ross is just the most obvious

yeah idk -- i think generally the ability to put out dope music trumps all -- no one cared about what jaz had to say about jay

and i really do feel like the way that the writer tries to illustrate an aura of violence that surrounds gucci is really outdated -- i think some of the examples he uses are a real stretch i.e. citing the waka flocka shooting & the pool stick incident happened in like 2006 -- i think everyone knows that gucci keeps getting locked up cuz he can't stay sober, not because he's some violent loose cannon always running into trouble on the streets of atlanta

To watch Gucci's rise within the rap ranks as an artist to be taken seriously as well as his embrace by the wider, whiter audience, which often seems to look at Gucci with an ironic eye, is to be reminded of the real, ongoing problems with gangsta rap as a form, especially in the hands of an artist seemingly interested in exploring little more than the limits of his creativity and his accent.

yeesh

lmao @ 'little more than the limits of his creativity'

cant he just look outside the box of his own creativity, is that so much to ask

it reminds me of the BET best rappers of the decade show where they chose 15 major label rappers incl fabolous, drake, eve, t.i. etc and tried to rate them in part by "social consciousness"

the famous social consciousness of fabolous

Turns out Narcotics Anonymous isn’t so anonymous after all. An NA attendee tells OZONE that their regularly scheduled meeting last night was interrupted by a nearly hour-long standoff outside the facility at Riverwoods Psychiatric Center in Riverdale, GA (on the south side of Atlanta). Reportedly, members of Gucci Mane’s entourage – including his manager and lawyer – pleaded with the rapper to get help, causing quite a scene outside the hospital. His lawyer constantly reminded him that rehabilitation was the only alternative to facing more jail time and ultimately Gucci relented, turning himself in for a 28-day program around 8 PM on October 14th.

Previously, OZONE reported on at least four lawsuits Gucci and his former management (Deb Antney) and former booking agent (Johnnie Cabbell) were facing for missed concert appearances. After his release from prison earlier this year he brought on new management and did make a few shows, but in recent weeks, his erratic behavior seems to have returned.

In mid-September, Gucci failed to appear at an advertised performance at Club Cinema in Pompano Beach, Florida. The promoter told patrons, “Gucci failed a pee test for drugs. He’s stuck in Atlanta and can’t make the show,” but refused to refund tickets. This past Saturday, he was the sole headliner for Cheyney University’s homecoming concert. Cheyney is the nation’s oldest historically black college/university (HBCU). Gucci failed to appear for the show and, according to sources familiar with the show booking, the show deposit has yet to be returned.

(UPDATE: Gucci was also a no-show at today’s Michigan State University homecoming concert in East Lansing, MI)

Gucci’s label reps and publicist did not respond to requests for comment. Although OZONE’s relationship with Gucci Mane has been tumultuous at times, we wish him the best in his quest for sobriety and hope that he will be able to put this behind him and get his business straight to continue building his career.

:(

hope he cleans up.

this is nice!

http://tumblinerb.com/post/1360037201/sys-boyz-f-gucci-mane-misery-loves-company

it should be noted that "beat it up" ft trey songz -- a joint that is like a year & half old or something & is not on any album & doesn't even have a video -- is currently doing better at radio than either "gucci time" or "making love to the money"

man. they were playing that on chi radio this time LAST YEAR

yeah i hear that song on the radio a ton -- never bothered with the album but i just assumed it was on there!

it was on the movie 2 & burrrprint 2

IT'S SO SICKENIN
HISTORY YOUR WITNESSIN
I HAD A GIRL SHE QUIT ME NOW I'M SINGLE WANNA GET WITH ME?

it's a terrific song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gwhCre--ng

miss these days