Doesn't FALLOUT: NEW VEGAS deserve its own thread?

Am I too huge a fallout nerd that I hear 'omg it sucks so hard but if you love fallout have another spoonfull of shit' and I say 'yes please'?

But something Bethesda were very aware of when they turned Fallout into a first-person game is that the wasteland is potentially quite a boring setting for the player to be set free in. I mean, you think wasteland, you think deserts, charred ruins and grumpy survivors wearing faded, drab clothes.

So, Bethesda went to great lengths to infuse their D.C. wasteland with colour. It was populated by kooky, occasionally even cartoonish characters- it’s no accident that super mutants and the Brotherhood of Steel featured so prominently. Then you had the independant towns, which were all built in or around visually striking setpieces, and Bethesda even built a labyrinth out of the subway system. Whatever direction you walked in Fallout 3, you felt confident you’d find something interesting.

this guy's a fucking dipshit lmao

This is basically turning out as I'd expected - diehard FO3 lovers (a group i will dub 'idiot fucktards') are down on NV, while REAL fans of fallout 1/2 see this as the rightful heir to the fallout legacy, which is what it is.

http://i55.tinypic.com/2dqosv8.gif

you need to get a grip

I have a grip... on this excellent game! 10/10!

great gif

Princess TamTam is cankles?

is anyone playing with the Wacky Kooky Wasteland trait or whatever..

http://i55.tinypic.com/25k4ck4.jpg

nice.

i actually still gotta play FO3, but if you're saying this is closer in spirit to the originals i'm still intrigued

lol @ "Lord Death"

reviews are all over the place. not in the rating, but in the reasons. but everyone is saying it's buggy as hell.

wow that RPS review just hit all the possibilities i was worried about. looks like ill be waiting for the price drop then

even ppl who like say it's more like Oblivion, which is not really a good sight imo

this is the most damning part of the GI review, but i've seen others that seem to say the opposite (or at least that the generally higher level of scripting makes it more fun):

Now, the bad news. I was never once blown away by a single moment. Sure, I laughed when I ran into a cross-dressing super mutant, and thought to myself “what have I done?” when I deployed an orbital laser directly above an NCR military base – but none of the missions or battles stand out as memorable. Most of the action and plot points are enjoyable, but I never once said "Wow. That was great." By comparison, this is a stark contrast to Fallout 3, a game that I felt delivered big moments all the way through.

That's an interesting point, except the only 'big moment' in FO3 for me was Liberty Prime. I'm not far enough into the game to say either way, but it hasn't really mattered yet because I'm having so much fun doing stuff like breaking down ammo into casings, powder and primer and reconstituting it into other kinds of ammunition to notice the dearth of big moments.

jjj, that RPS review is just... grotesquely stupid and wrong. I can't even read a sentence like this as anything but a troll:

So, Bethesda went to great lengths to infuse their D.C. wasteland with colour.

Yes, one color: sewage green. I just can't wrap my head around the idea that NV is less colorful... nobody I know who's playing it right now would agree at all. YMMV but I'd recommend at least reading some other reviews besides that one.

Also I love this choice excerpt:

There is just nothing interesting about them, except for the fact that they all pronounce Caesar “Kai-zar”, a mystery I never got to the bottom of.

you mean like in real life, retard? They even reference it in-game, about how they take their creepy cosplay to the extreme by using the antiquated pronunciation.

No bugs, still lovin' it (almost 10 hours in), playing with Wacky Kooky Wasteland but haven't seen anything kooky or wacky - just radscorpions, ghouls, molerats and the like. I'm enjoying it more than F3 at the beginning, and the humor seems less LOOK! FAN SERVICE FUNNY! than Fallout 3.

I really liked Fallout 3, too. It's just a fun apocalypse to play around in.

Wacky Kooky Wasteland

vas ist das?

there's a trait in character creation you can take that increases the number of 'wacky' Fallout 2-style pop culture referencing encounters you find in the wasteland - stuff like finding some skeletons named Owen & Beru, internet meme references and that kind of stuff. Turning it into a thing you can turn on or off seems like a good decision, since that stuff can rub people the wrong way.

also: just realized that Mr. New Vegas is Wayne Newton

it's just called 'Wild Wasteland' btw

I did find Owen & Beru! I didn't realize that was because I had that trait. It made me laugh because they really looked to be in the right poses and burnt just so. Tasteless and awesome moment.

i see. if i get around to this i will not be selecting that stupid option then. knowing that they built in a content-changing humor on/off switch when bugs apparently went unfixed is not filling me with anticipation. it speak of a dis-unified development team and bad leadership, imo, but others have played and i haven't yet so eh

i don't remember if the humor in FO3 was fan-servicey, but i don't remember any of it being especially funny either...

xps

I still haven't played NV yet but F1&2 were notoriously buggy- not crash-buggy but easily disturbed gameworld buggy (esp w stuff like hour long combat rounds as every bum in the game takes a turn running away from you) plus Bethesda is famous for buggy shit (going back to daggerfall!), so bugs aren't a huge shock.

goole the 'see a bunch of crazy shit' perk has been in the game since fallout 2 when it was called explorer - 'Higher chance of finding special places and people in random encounters '

huh. i've only played FO3 tbh. didn't know it had a history!

star wars jokes are not really my thing tho

goole rides for Star Trek

I didnt activate the crazy shit this time around, but I will the second playthrough just to see whats out there.

fallout 2 has some Famous Star Trek Humor in it actually, and a lot of fans tend to downgrade the game for its excesses in that area. negative fan reaction is prob a big reason why it was made optional in NV. and yeah, im saving it for the 2nd playthrough

i see. if i get around to this i will not be selecting that stupid option then. knowing that they built in a content-changing humor on/off switch when bugs apparently went unfixed is not filling me with anticipation. it speak of a dis-unified development team and bad leadership, imo, but others have played and i haven't yet so eh

i don't remember if the humor in FO3 was fan-servicey, but i don't remember any of it being especially funny either...

xps

― goole, Thursday, October 21, 2010 3:35 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

ha, well, 2 things:

i. obsidian
ii. bug-fixing is a complicated problem solving process that is never truly finished; inserting some wacky monkey cheese jokes probably didn't take up a lot of dev time

personally yeah it's a little annoying but c'mon... we all grew up in the age of patches, this is de rigueur for a brand new PC game! none of it is gamebreaking (so far), it's just crashes and stuff.

(esp w stuff like hour long combat rounds as every bum in the game takes a turn running away from you)

haha yes

ugh

I swear I spent half the game time in FO2 in New Reno because every time you started a fight anywhere near the casinos, 50 homeless dudes would spend most of the time running back and forth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOt4ToY0CdU&feature=player_embedded

oh hell no

how is the combat in NV? also can you RUN?

i loved FO3 at first but soon got sick to death of VATS - can NV be played as a fps? deep down im hoping it'll turn out to be kinda like the Stalker series, with all the great side missions and great unforgiving combat system.

Im not sure how a combo of Borderlands and Fallout would go down but that seems to be the kind of VATS-less fps style I could see happening.

combat's wayyy better imo - the true iron sights are a great addition, and because of that i've barely touched VATS so far. sneaking and sniping is my tactic of choice. enemies are still bullet sponges (im playing on very hard btw) which is unfortunate because I really prefer shooters where one well-placed headshot = a kill no matter what. the ammo variety is great, AP bullets actually work, and the new guns are all awesome and make bethesda's weapons look retarded (it's really jarring when you equip say the 10 mm pistol and it's this weird clunky made up gun that doesnt fit in with anything else), reload animations are sick nasty too.

also the combat is pretty unforgiving - giant radscorps are like sherman tanks, and my friend (playing on same settings) who's gotten farther than me says the deathclaws are pretty much unkillable (yesss)

i love how far they went with the Roman detail wrt the Legion... if you listen to Mr. Vegas Radio or whatever he'll have a news story about a Legion commander ordering the decimation of his unit:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimation_(Roman_army)

thanks ptt, if this game can be played purely as a shooter that sounds great. i take it there's no run key though? shame as that always bugged the hell out of me on FO3

what do you mean by run key?

like sprinting?

like sprinting?

Whoops!

only thing close to sprint is moving without your weapon drawn.. its a little bit faster

soooo finally loaded this up, started playing, got about 45 minutes in and got my first freeze. rather than torture myself i'm going to just wait for the patch

the enemies in this one can strike from pretty far away. it's kind of annoying to be running away from someone who is like 15 feet away and tagging you with a knife.

i hope they're at least throwing the knife?

no.

oh thats not good

bugs so far today: got stuck between two crates that were seemingly stacked right next to each other. guess not. and then one where my fire button stopped working and my weapon would only fire when i exited out my pip boy menu. had a really fun vats experience where i just watched a gecko run at me in slow motion for a minute while my gun did nothing.

I havent had many bugs to report so far.. Only minor things. The more signifcant ones usually involve enemies doing dumb shit which allows me to kill them so Im not too mad at it...

It was either you or them dude