henry rollins vs. hipsters

the 28 days would be a result of the number of days in temp bans increasing every time you get one + the number of times whiney has been temped - just fyi

What just happened? Why was Whiney banned? Does it have something to do with my username? I'm genuinely curious, as this is the only one of the IL_ boards I post on so it's very, very possible there's something I missed.

this is kind of a side thing, but fwiw a lot of people have a problem with your display name and would really prefer if you changed it

tbh, this is only going to feed his righteous indignation over the whole thing

― "I am a fairly respected poster." (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 3 November 2010 16:36 (14 minutes ago)

^^^^

seriously dude, I'm only changing mine when you change yours

What just happened? Why was Whiney banned? Does it have something to do with my username? I'm genuinely curious, as this is the only one of the IL_ boards I post on so it's very, very possible there's something I missed.

You did miss something.

You should still change your display name, since even knowing the context behind it still leaves it bordering on being a gross rape joke.

What just happened? Why was Whiney banned? Does it have something to do with my username? I'm genuinely curious, as this is the only one of the IL_ boards I post on so it's very, very possible there's something I missed.

Just change your fucking username. Christ.

omg totally know that girl in "Sexual Aids" - her name is Meredith

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEszTzdUMcY

So I guess that's Cake Shop in NYC, right?

Henry comes off like a colossal dick in this clip

um but I guess this thread is about something else now? lol

you guys and your silly bickering

Rollins comes off like a complete idiot full of the most ridiculous assumptions in this video. Those kids seem to like his music.

yeah I don't really understand why he immediately goes after them for being egotistical trust funder elitists and whatnot? because they recognized him and yelled "Get in the van" at him? wtf

The idea of ALL HIPSTERS ARE *THIS*, AND *THIS* IS DESPICABLE RAARHRRAHRAR is soooo fucking played. Because apparently you're not allowed to wear skinny jeans and listen to AnCo without a trust fund and hefty dose of condescension or something?

But at this point even saying ^^^^ that is soooo fucking played. Why is this shit even still going on?

i can see how "OMG HENRY ROLLINS LOL" would be irritating, but yeah, Rollins is a total paranoid, egomaniacal shithead here. seem like he went into the place looking for a confrontation.

you're not allowed to wear skinny jeans and listen to AnCo without a trust fund and hefty dose of condescension

that sounds about right

It's worth remembering that Rollins is a) a socially awkward nerd (I've met him and interviewed him twice in person and twice by phone) and b) a guy people used to stub out cigarettes on, throw things at and start fights with during Black Flag sets, so the idea that he might be a little more guarded, and might perceive slights more quickly, than your average person isn't totally surprising to me.

he got thrown through a sliding glass door by al pacino of all people too, ffs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ygDMHnt-Lg

Das Sweatshirt vermisse ich.

not to mention crucified by dolph lundgren

It's worth remembering that Rollins is a) a socially awkward nerd (I've met him and interviewed him twice in person and twice by phone) and b) a guy people used to stub out cigarettes on, throw things at and start fights with during Black Flag sets

i don't know if i'd classify a guy who does spoken word, is a talking head on just about everything, had his own interview show, etc. as a genuinely socially awkward nerd. also re: Blak Flag, it's not like he was being picked on or anything. BF and Rollins had a certain reputation and he played to it.

xpsts

Those elitist assholes shouldn't bring up his grammy winning audiobook thankyouverymuch.

Really the only reasonable person here is the lady hanging with Henry. The Cakeshop women were off camera, so their claim of just wanting to hang out seems a little bogus. They acted out and pretty much asked for H. to confront them. Fairly easy to imagine that they knew he may be an easy mark.

As far as them being into his music and thus on his side (and undeserved of the "Rollins treatment"), it's hard to imagine many people saying on camera "Black Flag sucked" or some such thing. A general bad showing all around.

― new non-rapey display name (unperson), Wednesday, November 3, 2010 5:32 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

is this really any better? there must be a username you can think of that just doesn't reference rape at all.

smh

why do you guys even care

lex otm

well, i don't find it anything more than something to roll my eyes at, but there's more than one rape survivor - that i'm even aware of - on ilx

Those hipsters were probably just in the shop anyway, they see Rollins and they wanna talk to him. It's not like they were being explicitly elitist as Rollins had warned. They didn't 'act out', they didn't seem to have bad intentions and when Rollins comes over to greet them he is the one who looks like 'a total paranoid, egomaniacal shithead'.

i can't believe anyone would try to defend Rollins' behavior in that video. felt really bad for the hipsters and for Shirin Neshat.

Not defending Henry, just saying that there is blame to go around. There are ways to decide to talk to someone that do not involve yelling things from off camera is all I'm saying. Of course Rollins was a pud about it, totally. What I am suggesting is that, just maybe, they knew he would be.

I would be very disappointed if Rollins behaved like Neil Gaiman in public.

Of all the offensive display names I've seen over the years, I'm kinda surprised this is the one to ruffle so many feathers. Oh yeah, wait a minute, the offender isn't part of the 77 clique. That explains it all. I mean, come on, if Whiney or, say, deej, used that display name as a "joke" it wouldn't have been such an issue.

Not to say I condone "rape joke" display names, mind, but this is such a weird one for people like Whiney to draw a fine line around.

he got thrown through a sliding glass door by al pacino of all people too, ffs

― omar little, Wednesday, November 3, 2010 1:33 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

That scene always bugged me! Pacino's so shrimpy, I didn't buy it for a second.

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Books/Pix/pictures/2009/1/27/1233078219288/Neil-Gaiman-001.jpg

yeah, seems like he has the self-awareness to know he is being a dick and know that he is going to be a dick, but not the self-control to stop himself. the way he held onto Shirin Neshat's shoulders while she has this incredibly uncomfortable, apologetic look on her face made me squirm. (xpost)

rollins' imdb bio says he's 5' 9 1/2" but i think they're being generous by a couple inches.

weird conflation of rollins and whiney behavior itt

lol

I thought Rollins was being funny like dumb stereotypes about music isn't he some jazz wanker or something? How can you take him seriously he is clearly being sarcastic or have you never heard his spoken word. Not like some band called Sexual Aids is some high minded art band....

where do you guys rate doucheyness of rollins versus jose canseco (another dude who, if he had practiced the neil gaiman school of social graces, would not have made the excellent "I trolled jose canseco" thread possible)?

the way he held onto Shirin Neshat's shoulders while she has this incredibly uncomfortable, apologetic look on her face made me squirm.

The way he was parading her around, like she was an anti-hipster human shield or something... christ.

just the sanctimony of "this is Shirin Neshat, you should know who she is" is like...I mean...I am a sanctimonious fuckin guy, so if I notice your sanctimony, you're doing something wrong

Rollins came off more as insecure rather than douchey
That was a panic move

the 77 clique!!!!!!!!!!

i miss whiney already

Right,I have actually got round to seeing the vid.

He comes over as not a douchebag at all. Someone shouts him, he goes up to them and engages. not in a threatening way.

He may come over as less than modest about his book, but at least she now knows what it was about.

Oh, and the people in the shop are also not douchebags. No-one was insulted or insulting.

So, there you go.

Oh, and the people in the shop are also not douchebags. No-one was insulted or insulting.

I think they were mocking him, but backed down when he came over, trying to make it appear that they were just fans.

so are we assuming that the average nyc hipster recognizes henry rollins on sight... but only in order to mock him?

Mocking is not exactly 'insulting', really.

He's maybe not a 'douchebag', but he is very intense and overbearing in a way that doesn't look at all fun to be around. Everyone else in the video is just a person doing normal stuff.

At the start of the video Rollins was just a person doing normal stuff, he was looking at records and talking about them... Its not like he burst through the doors and called them all fuckfaces.

is it normal to film yrself doing normal stuff

+ not that they could have possibly known it at the time unless they had super-keen hearing, but he was ALREADY being kind of a dick just talking about the records

those poor records!

uhhh i mean i don't know what the larger context of this trip to the record store is, but talking about how "elitist" a store is while you rifle through their shelves pulling out cool albums to show your friend is p.douchey

"here we are at my favorite sushi place — as you can see there is a lot of good sushi on the menu, and that is because only elitist sushi-obsessed snobs who hate me come here to eat"

some of the stuff he says is complete aids

Have Pomplamoose covered any Black Flag songs yet? I behind on ILX reading and want to collapse as many threads as possible.

(xp) there must be a post you can think of that just doesn't reference aids at all. i don't find it anything more than something to roll my eyes at, but there's more than one aids survivor - that i'm even aware of - on ilx

pretty prominent video, but the guy is a complete ass in this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_3g4QPojMc

I mean here's this dude vehemently against hipsters and he accuses some 14 year old kid of not knowing enough about "good music".

^^^^^

Wow, that 1984 clip brings back all my mixed feelings about Black Flag at the time.

I will say this: Not all social behavior on the other side of decent is equally bad, and that kind of confrontational narcissism is both very '84 punk and very sociable in its stunted way--the idea of putting it all out there (including prejudices), making people defend themselves, snapping them out of politeness, challenging received thinking, etc. If there are less healthy impulses mixed in (aggressiveness, asking questions so loaded you couldn't possibly want an answer), that only shows the risks of living too long on the other side.

The reason the kid isn't too shocked is he's used it. (Even Henry touching his hair is very slam-pit, somewhere between tenderness and a prelude to a fight.) He runs the interview in that same play-acting way until the tables get turned, and obviously doesn't know what to make of Kira, who's unacculturated enough to think she's being interviewed. And as if to confirm Henry's paranoia, he invokes the common, automated critique of Black Flag at the time--that they were playing "heavy metal," "selling out," not playing "TV Party" etc.

So I don't see a bully and a kid, I see a bunch of kids trying to figure out who they are in a radical situation. And there's a bit of punk culture-clash in the New York footage too, where, what, these women are surprised Henry Rollins is baiting them with whatever demons lurk in his head rather than asking them questions and getting to know them after they yell, "Get in the van!"?

― Pete Scholtes, Monday, December 20, 2010 7:35 AM (2 weeks ago) Bookmark

Punk attitude confuses the hell out of me. It's a rebellion against everything, including itself, so it's hard for me to tell when somebody is acting punk... or being punk in the face of perceived notions of punk? I don't know.

being in black flag, for many people in the group (not least rollins, treated like a human ashtray by some in the audience), seemed to be about positioning yourself in opposition to everything, including your fans.

and a lot of their behaviour, imho, is down to being pretty damaged people in their own right, participating in a project that wasn't designed as a healing process, if that makes sense.

but talking about how "elitist" a store is

tbh, I thought he was being reasonably non-sarcastic here.

yeah sorry jeff that was my bad! stupid schoolyard slang

Punk attitude confuses the hell out of me. It's a rebellion against everything, including itself, so it's hard for me to tell when somebody is acting punk... or being punk in the face of perceived notions of punk? I don't know.

― heh (kelpolaris), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 04:56 (12 hours ago)

don't get rollins at all, just seems awful, his obscure logic and weird emo roidhead persona

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-xMkHgan0Y

thing abt fucking w rollins is if youre into his music u kno hes like a rattlesnake

those ladies and the kid above kno who theyre dealing w and probably anticipated some confrontation with their comments (ladies: ha u wrote that book man; boy: going heavy metal eh fellas?) which is probably how they got their kicks, the boy handled himself rly well and trolled him back good tho

so yes rollins is/was a douche but i mean why taunt the guy unless you want to put up w his dickish antics

taunting him even slightly knowing how easily u can wind him up also makes u a bit of a douche tho not as much as rollins sure

but people liked to push rollins' buttons

heres a fun one by my man nardwuar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rt8i4lStIxg