henry rollins vs. hipsters

It's worth remembering that Rollins is a) a socially awkward nerd (I've met him and interviewed him twice in person and twice by phone) and b) a guy people used to stub out cigarettes on, throw things at and start fights with during Black Flag sets, so the idea that he might be a little more guarded, and might perceive slights more quickly, than your average person isn't totally surprising to me.

he got thrown through a sliding glass door by al pacino of all people too, ffs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ygDMHnt-Lg

Das Sweatshirt vermisse ich.

not to mention crucified by dolph lundgren

It's worth remembering that Rollins is a) a socially awkward nerd (I've met him and interviewed him twice in person and twice by phone) and b) a guy people used to stub out cigarettes on, throw things at and start fights with during Black Flag sets

i don't know if i'd classify a guy who does spoken word, is a talking head on just about everything, had his own interview show, etc. as a genuinely socially awkward nerd. also re: Blak Flag, it's not like he was being picked on or anything. BF and Rollins had a certain reputation and he played to it.

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Those elitist assholes shouldn't bring up his grammy winning audiobook thankyouverymuch.

Really the only reasonable person here is the lady hanging with Henry. The Cakeshop women were off camera, so their claim of just wanting to hang out seems a little bogus. They acted out and pretty much asked for H. to confront them. Fairly easy to imagine that they knew he may be an easy mark.

As far as them being into his music and thus on his side (and undeserved of the "Rollins treatment"), it's hard to imagine many people saying on camera "Black Flag sucked" or some such thing. A general bad showing all around.

― new non-rapey display name (unperson), Wednesday, November 3, 2010 5:32 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

is this really any better? there must be a username you can think of that just doesn't reference rape at all.

smh

why do you guys even care

lex otm

well, i don't find it anything more than something to roll my eyes at, but there's more than one rape survivor - that i'm even aware of - on ilx

Those hipsters were probably just in the shop anyway, they see Rollins and they wanna talk to him. It's not like they were being explicitly elitist as Rollins had warned. They didn't 'act out', they didn't seem to have bad intentions and when Rollins comes over to greet them he is the one who looks like 'a total paranoid, egomaniacal shithead'.

i can't believe anyone would try to defend Rollins' behavior in that video. felt really bad for the hipsters and for Shirin Neshat.

Not defending Henry, just saying that there is blame to go around. There are ways to decide to talk to someone that do not involve yelling things from off camera is all I'm saying. Of course Rollins was a pud about it, totally. What I am suggesting is that, just maybe, they knew he would be.

I would be very disappointed if Rollins behaved like Neil Gaiman in public.

Of all the offensive display names I've seen over the years, I'm kinda surprised this is the one to ruffle so many feathers. Oh yeah, wait a minute, the offender isn't part of the 77 clique. That explains it all. I mean, come on, if Whiney or, say, deej, used that display name as a "joke" it wouldn't have been such an issue.

Not to say I condone "rape joke" display names, mind, but this is such a weird one for people like Whiney to draw a fine line around.

he got thrown through a sliding glass door by al pacino of all people too, ffs

― omar little, Wednesday, November 3, 2010 1:33 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

That scene always bugged me! Pacino's so shrimpy, I didn't buy it for a second.

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Books/Pix/pictures/2009/1/27/1233078219288/Neil-Gaiman-001.jpg

yeah, seems like he has the self-awareness to know he is being a dick and know that he is going to be a dick, but not the self-control to stop himself. the way he held onto Shirin Neshat's shoulders while she has this incredibly uncomfortable, apologetic look on her face made me squirm. (xpost)

rollins' imdb bio says he's 5' 9 1/2" but i think they're being generous by a couple inches.

weird conflation of rollins and whiney behavior itt

lol

I thought Rollins was being funny like dumb stereotypes about music isn't he some jazz wanker or something? How can you take him seriously he is clearly being sarcastic or have you never heard his spoken word. Not like some band called Sexual Aids is some high minded art band....

where do you guys rate doucheyness of rollins versus jose canseco (another dude who, if he had practiced the neil gaiman school of social graces, would not have made the excellent "I trolled jose canseco" thread possible)?

the way he held onto Shirin Neshat's shoulders while she has this incredibly uncomfortable, apologetic look on her face made me squirm.

The way he was parading her around, like she was an anti-hipster human shield or something... christ.

just the sanctimony of "this is Shirin Neshat, you should know who she is" is like...I mean...I am a sanctimonious fuckin guy, so if I notice your sanctimony, you're doing something wrong

Rollins came off more as insecure rather than douchey
That was a panic move

the 77 clique!!!!!!!!!!

i miss whiney already

omg totally know that girl in "Sexual Aids" - her name is Meredith

― If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Wednesday, November 3, 2010 4:56 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark

I know that lady too! But she's a punk and yer a hippie!

Rollins came off more as insecure rather than douchey
That was a panic move

This was my read, too.

also this is an unrelated story, but i met keith morris last week and repressed the urge to tell him that i loved black flag, that they were my favorite psych band. cuz that would make me a jerk.

seriously what else is there to talk about with Keith Morris besides how rad black flag was

how he takes a shit in public restrooms without his dreads touching the floor?

dread maintenance techniques, what it's like to work with legendary skin-beater (industry term for drums) MARIO RUBALCABA, among other things

fyi he was a really sweet nice guy

But at this point even saying ^^^^ that is soooo fucking played. Why is this shit even still going on?

yeah otm...this vid is like a sort of perfect encapsulation of hipster hatred, rollins ensuring that he feels sneered at from minute one. i don't get how he says "when that girl started mouthing off", like she seemed sort of nice, and actually how fucking awkward and weird was his introduction for the iranian girl, who prob would have liked to just chat to some hipsters?

plus you know, so what even if she was a trustafarian, rollins is hardly living in central park.

and the sort of "i'm kind of a big deal" bit at the end...god, what a fool.

Is he pals with Allison Wolfe (had to check spelling) or something? He was pointing out one of her bands at the beginning.

seriously what else is there to talk about with Keith Morris besides how rad black flag was

― the Whiney G. Whinegarten Memorial 77 Clique (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, November 3, 2010 3:26 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Probably a lot, considering he was in Black Flag for about 15 minutes almost 35 years ago.

"'sup Keith! Hey wow the only reason I know you is from this thing you did for 15 minutes 35 years ago. So, um, whatcha been up to for the last 35 years anyway?"

seriously what else is there to talk about with Keith Morris besides how rad black flag was

His fantastic new band OFF!, how underrated the Circle Jerks' VI album was...lots of stuff.

Keith Morris is a (former?) ilxor's accountant!

Meredith runs in (former?) ilxor-affiliated band Excepter circles iirc.

Just connecting the dots here.

*palm*

I guess you guys follow Keith's activities a lot more closely than I do

*high five*

seriously though how does he keep his dreads from getting bathroom grime on them when he's taking a shit??

or does he not care??

is sexyDancer the dude from Excepter?

I know that lady too! But she's a punk and yer a hippie!

hippie?

and a lot of their behaviour, imho, is down to being pretty damaged people in their own right, participating in a project that wasn't designed as a healing process, if that makes sense.

but talking about how "elitist" a store is

tbh, I thought he was being reasonably non-sarcastic here.

yeah sorry jeff that was my bad! stupid schoolyard slang

Punk attitude confuses the hell out of me. It's a rebellion against everything, including itself, so it's hard for me to tell when somebody is acting punk... or being punk in the face of perceived notions of punk? I don't know.

― heh (kelpolaris), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 04:56 (12 hours ago)

don't get rollins at all, just seems awful, his obscure logic and weird emo roidhead persona

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-xMkHgan0Y

thing abt fucking w rollins is if youre into his music u kno hes like a rattlesnake

those ladies and the kid above kno who theyre dealing w and probably anticipated some confrontation with their comments (ladies: ha u wrote that book man; boy: going heavy metal eh fellas?) which is probably how they got their kicks, the boy handled himself rly well and trolled him back good tho

so yes rollins is/was a douche but i mean why taunt the guy unless you want to put up w his dickish antics

taunting him even slightly knowing how easily u can wind him up also makes u a bit of a douche tho not as much as rollins sure

but people liked to push rollins' buttons

heres a fun one by my man nardwuar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rt8i4lStIxg