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yeah, thats "Requiem" they're doing. i can see him not liking the lightness of NO but the origins of the pop/rock guitar sound with the disco beats that appears on songs like "Night Time","Love Like Blood" are largly New Orders rather then Joy Divisions. but KJ tracks are heavier. thats why i mentioned it.

webb, Sunday, 16 March 2003 10:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'm with Jaz (Julian, hah!) on the Joy Division/New Order thing.

What is there to like about New Order? Apart from their name, obviously.

mei (mei), Sunday, 16 March 2003 11:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

Jaz is actually Jeremy, not Julian.

Personally, I fuckin' love New Order, but y'know....whatever.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 16 March 2003 21:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

Even "World In Motion"???

Ally (mlescaut), Sunday, 16 March 2003 21:34 (twenty-one years ago) link

Even "World In Motion"???

The wife's favorite song of theirs, actually.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 16 March 2003 23:06 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ok, that can't possibly be true. That's dedication.

Ally (mlescaut), Sunday, 16 March 2003 23:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

The later Killing Joke stuff was great.

'My Love of this Land' was a great single.

russ t, Monday, 17 March 2003 11:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

Killing joke had great fans I always liked their audience. Anyone remember when they called some of these bands Positive Punks? Wasn't the Southern death cult Positive punk?
Nevermind I'm getting off topic...

girl scout heroin (iamamonkey), Monday, 17 March 2003 14:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

two weeks pass...
THEY......LIVE!

http://www.killingjoke.com/

http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk/

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 3 April 2003 12:56 (twenty-one years ago) link

According to Amazon they're releasing The Unperverted Pantomime officially on CD in a couple of weeks time.

So that'll be my special limited edition original 1980 cassette version devalued by about 99% then!

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 3 April 2003 13:32 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yes indeedy....complete with a 16 page insert booklet designed by Mike Coles (original KJ album designer: http://studio-c.co.uk/ )

ME BIG HAPPY!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 3 April 2003 13:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

THEY......LIVE!
http://www.killingjoke.com/
http://www.maliciousdamage.co.uk/
-- Alex in NYC (xxxxx.net), April 3rd, 2003.

Forgot to say thanks for this. I've now read I think every article they've got on both of those.
It's certainly put a new spin on the music for me.

Great to see how their behaviour in interviews has evolved over the years and how they, Jaz in particular, have changed.

Looks like there'll be a new album sort of soon too, which I'm equally aprehensive and excited about.

mei (mei), Thursday, 3 April 2003 14:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

As it stands, there'll be an official release of The Unperverted Pantomime (age-old "bootleg") on April 15 or 16th, put out by the same krazy kats who put out 2001's No Way Out But Forward Go (itself also making the rounds as a bootleg prior to release). The latter was also re-released last year by a record company called Brilliant (no relation to the Youth-led band of the same name) with new cover art and a new title, Love Like Blood. If you're a sad completist like m'self, you can track it down via Amazon Uk (or you could rightly get on with your life and forget about it).

Regarding the new album, The Death & Resurrection Show, word `round the campfire is that Dave Grohl has completed recording the drums tracks for the new album, and they're currently being mixed by a gent named Clive Goddard.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 3 April 2003 19:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

Article regarding Dave Grohl working with the Joke is this week's Kerrang. Turns out the title of the new record may no longer be The Death & Resurrection Show. Read on....

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Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 20:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

I have to admit that Alex's passion over these years on ILX has meant I'm more interested in the new album than I would have been.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 21:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I just hope it measures up.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 21:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

We're going to hunt you down if it doesn't, you know.

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 10 April 2003 02:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

God I love this thread.

adam (adam), Thursday, 10 April 2003 03:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

Fantastic, now I don't have to go to smiths to read Kerrang.

Alex, it says that Fugazi have covered KJ, do you know what/when/where?

mei (mei), Thursday, 10 April 2003 06:57 (twenty-one years ago) link

I feel like I've been looking through a casual acquaintance's photo albums while they get fresh ice for my lemonade.

But this thread made me greatly miss my Killing Joke T-shirt, which I wore until there was nothing left of it to wear. That was like the best damn T-shirt I ever had, the Daisy Buchanan of my T-shirts.

Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 10 April 2003 08:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'm pretty sure I've never actually heard Killing Joke. I think this thread wouldn't be as funny to me if I had.

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 10 April 2003 08:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'm torn between wanting to dig out my cassettes and forcing myself to forget what I remember -- which doesn't at all live up to this thread -- and let them remain this vague, mythical Schroedinger's band.

Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 10 April 2003 08:06 (twenty-one years ago) link

it says that Fugazi have covered KJ

Yeah, I saw that too. I think it's a mistake. The bands I'm aware of who have attempted to cover the Joke (usually with shite results) are: Metallica ("The Wait"), Foo Fighters ("Requiem"), Icehouse ("Love Like Blood"), Helmet ("Complications"), Godflesh ("Requiem"), Amen ("Europe"), the Mad Capsule Markets ("Wardance"), Love like Blood (lamentable Goth band take who not only butchered the song, but sullied its good name by adopting it as their moniker). I've heard rumours that Sarah McLachlan covered "Love Like Blood" live, but I've never heard it.

On a different point, I wonder what ol' Courtney Love has to say now that Grohl has gone public about working with the Joke.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 10 April 2003 13:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

I've heard the Metallica cover, which got me into KJ initially.

I've got a cover of 'Primitive' done by Helmet, but not 'Complications'.

I know Grohl doesn't like Love or maybe vice-versa.

Personally I think KJ should cover Heart Shaped Box, which is supposedly about Courtney, but change the lyrics and claim it's their own.
Then send her a Christmas card telling her they've never heard of her.

mei (mei), Thursday, 10 April 2003 14:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

I've got a cover of 'Primitive' done by Helmet, but not 'Complications'.

Ack! You're right, it is "Primitive." Sorry about that.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 10 April 2003 14:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

Rolling Stone weighing in:

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/newsarticle.asp?nid=17876

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 10 April 2003 18:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

...and on the Foo Fighters' site:

http://www.foofighters.com/press/press_entry.php?id=207

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 11 April 2003 02:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

Helmet do 'Primitive' on their Born Annoying album which seems to be a sort of off-cuts compilation, but it's not credited on my CD to KJ. I wonder does Jaz know about that? Do he and KJ get their royalties?


Also, it's been said in the above, but anyway, from www.blabbermouth.net:

FOO FIGHTERS frontman/ex-NIRVANA drummer Dave Grohl has laid
down the drum tracks for the new KILLING JOKE album, tentatively titled "Axis of Evil", according to Billboard. The project, which will be out in June on Sony worldwide, was produced by GANG OF FOUR's Andy Gill and is the veteran U.K. rock act's first since 1996's "Democracy".

Grohl, who is said to be a huge KILLING JOKE fan, met the group's leader, Jaz Coleman, in New Zealand recently and agreed to play on the album. They recorded the drum tracks the last week of March in Los Angeles. Grohl has no plans to tour with the band, like he did with QUEENS OF THE STONE AGE last year in support of their Interscope album "Songs For The Deaf" after contributing drum tracks to that release.

The reunited KILLING JOKE, who were last believed to be working with a lineup featuring Coleman, guitarist Geordie, bassist Paul Raven (ex-
PRONG), and drummer Ted Parsons (ex-GODFLESH/PRONG), were
previously reported to have completed work on a new studio album at the end of last year. The CD, then tentatively titled "The Death & Resurrection Show", was said to have been tracked in London and Los Angeles and was set to feature guest appearances from members of TOOL and SYSTEM OF A DOWN. It is not presently clear if any of those initial recordings will surface as part of the new collection

mei (mei), Friday, 11 April 2003 06:30 (twenty-one years ago) link

http://www.fusion3.com/static/mediabank/jpg/170x170/nmcpilot158.jpg

Out today!!!! Not the new album, but the official release of age-old bootleg.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 14 April 2003 12:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

...tomorrow, it'd have to be, nein?

Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 14 April 2003 12:31 (twenty-one years ago) link

Well, according to Amazon.co.uk. it's today....which means it won't show up on these shores for a little while, but in theory....it's available today.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 14 April 2003 12:36 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ohhh...I thought it was a U.S. release cos I never click on the links to news articles anywhere within ILX. So that makes sense then.

Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 14 April 2003 12:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

"The bands I'm aware of who have attempted to cover the Joke (usually with shite results) are: Metallica ("The Wait"), Foo Fighters ("Requiem"), Icehouse ("Love Like Blood"), Helmet ("Complications"), Godflesh ("Requiem"), Amen ("Europe"), the Mad Capsule Markets ("Wardance"), Love like Blood (lamentable Goth band take who not only butchered the song, but sullied its good name by adopting it as their moniker)."

Teeheehee. I was briefly in a band called Requiem once and we were every bit as awful as you'd imagine a band with a name like "Requiem" would be. I bet you can't guess what KJ song we used to cover....

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 11:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

The one time I saw KJ, was at the Student Union at Edinburgh University (aka the Health Centre). Apparently they band performed some sort of body fluid ceremony before going on stage and the police were called as they covered themselves and the dressing room in smeared human excrement.

Anyway, this would be, uh, first album ish - maybe late 1980 / early 81 and I thought they sounded like the early Banshees with a mad bloke singing. Thats not a bad thing, in fact they were quite good but a bit limited and one dimensional.

The support band were called Boots for Dancing and I liked them loads.

Oh and KJ were great doing The Empire Song on TOTP the week of the Falklands.

Alexander Blair, Tuesday, 15 April 2003 16:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

So much talk about KJ that you made me get my "Laugh? I Nearly Bought One" copy... THE SKY IS TURNING RED. BODIES!!!!

JP Almeida (JP Almeida), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 16:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

See? It's not just me!!!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 16:16 (twenty-one years ago) link

Oh my god, you're creating an army of Killing Joke goths. I feel so dirty for listening to them now.

Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 16:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

eee-EIGH-TIES!!

JP Almeida (JP Almeida), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 17:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

Reprinted from my original post to The Gathering for your perusal/dismissal/scorn/empathy/inevitable derision/whathaveyou:

After a hellish afternoon of dragging more of my shoddy belongings into a crypt-like storage space way the hell over on the far-flung frontiers of the West Side of Manhattan, I sluggishly popped into "Rebel Rebel," an age-old record store in the Village just on the slight, unlikely chance that....maybe.....possibly...just a lark....maybe in a blue moon fluke....

HOLY SHIT, THEY HAVE IT!!!!!

I am now the very happy owner of THE UNPERVERTE PANTOMIME?, and am thoroughly bedazzled by its comparitivley crystaline sound (I can now retire my long-suffering cassette edition of the original bootleg) and *ABSOLUTELY STRIKING* packaging (battle-helmets off and fists raised in righteous exhortation to the estimable Sir Michael of Coles!!!!). AAGGHH! I haven't been this excited about a disc acquisition in more time than I care to think about. Where do I begin?

Visually:
Well, for a start, for those of y'all out there who want the skinny on ever last detail, the back cover (....as I'm assuming everyone has seen the front cover by now)...features the illustration that graces the cover of the bootleg (or at least the copy of the boot I have), that of a despondent jester massaging his furrowed brow in a leafy glade. The inner booklet is designed in much the same collage motif as graces the inner sleeves of LAUGH?I NEARLY BOUGHT ONE and WILFUL DAYS compilations, featuring many candid shots of the band goofing around (yes, there is indeed a shot of Youth taking a leak) and a couple of shots of Jaz sporting some truly dubious facial hair. Any regular peruser of Mike Coles Studio C site will recognize some of the live shots contained herein, the band all looking much younger and fresher than they invariably do today (Geordie...not just with hair, but LOTS of it, Youth in a stylish UNKNOWN PLEASURES t-shirt, Big Paul with a can of....er..Colt 45). There is an enticing account by Alchemy mainman Carlton P. Sandercock (a surname I'm guessing he caught a handy amount of grief about in his school days) which I'll let you discover on your own (as I'm not about to type it out), but it closes with the entirely welcome post script: "Oh Yes, there is More!"

Sonically:
I'm only on the my first spin-through, but suffice to say, to hear some of these tracks (previously only filtered through poor quality tape hiss or compressed like freeze-dried foodstuffs into a comparitvely stifling MP3 format) is a glorious revelation. The Capital Radio session of "Are You Receiving?" positively crackles out of the speakers as if it was recorded yesterday and the Malicious single version of "Pssyche" sounds like an almost different track from what I've been used to. I'm only waist deep into it, but so far I cannot stop grinning maniacally. Today may finaly be the day I push my neighbors' collective patience over the edge as I cackle amidst the infernal din, "WELCOME THE NEW ERA! HONOR THE FIRE, YOU FUCKING HERETICS!"

GO FETCH IT AT ONCE!


Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 25 April 2003 20:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

Your neighbors are going to fucking kill you. You're worse than I am.

Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 25 April 2003 20:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

The neighbors can fuckin' STEP ON RIGHT THE FUCK UP AND GET WHAT'S COMIN' TO'EM!. It's the wife I'm worried about, as her patience for my manic zeal for this album shall wear as swiftly as wet tracing paper against an avalanche of gravel.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 25 April 2003 20:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yeah, I can totally see that happening. I remember when my fiance discovered my Sisters of Mercy cds, I was like, "Hey, cool, I'm coming home to 'This Corrosion'!", and then that went on for like 4 months, every single day, and I was like, "Hey, Sisters of Mercy, fuck you!"

Oh, shit, now I have "This Corrosion" in my head.

How much were they charging for the CD? I actually saw it somewhere, but I forget where. And laughed to myself, thinking about this very thread, like a total asshole.

Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 25 April 2003 20:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

"Hey, Sisters of Mercy, fuck you!"

I was saying that very thing yesterday to some doubting jizzlobbers on the Gathering who were writing off Andy's gang as talentless Zep-wannabes (fuckin' AS IF!). I believe they had him confused with the Mission.

The disc was nineeteen bucks & change......and I also picked up the new Kitchens of Distinction compilation, but that won't see the inside of my player for many, many angry red moons, I fear.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 25 April 2003 21:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

Killing Joke are fucking awesome, but not as awesome as this thread, to which I can only add that P.O.D. have stolen Geordie's whole guitar sound, as have others. It's not much, I know.

Sasha Frere-Jones (Sasha Frere-Jones), Friday, 25 April 2003 21:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

Killing Joke are fucking awesome, but not as awesome as this thread

This is basically my opinion too.

There's a new Kitchens of Distinction compilation? Where the fuck have I been? I am so out of the goddamned loop these days it's not even funny.

Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 25 April 2003 21:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

P.O.D. have stolen Geordie's whole guitar sound

Well, they certainly did on "Youth of the Nation," but I'm not familiar enough with the rest of their work to crucify them for it (although aren't they big ol' Christians? In which case, I'll go get my nails and hammer!)

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 25 April 2003 21:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yeah, there's a new KoD compilation called Capsule, featuring a bonus disc of remixes, live tracks, acoustic shite, etc.

Although the compilation is inexplicably missing "Smiling" from their Death of Cool album.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 25 April 2003 21:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

Well, they certainly did on "Youth of the Nation,"

That's all I'm going on, too.

Sasha Frere-Jones (Sasha Frere-Jones), Friday, 25 April 2003 21:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

(although aren't they big ol' Christians? In which case, I'll go get my nails and hammer!)

Alex in pro-Satan shockah! What is up with all these bands being raving Christians these days, by the way? If you imagine me saying that in Jerry Seinfeld's voice, it's funnier.

I think we should page Anthony Miccio to thread, I bet he knows a lot about P.O.D.

Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 25 April 2003 21:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yeah, but then he'll invariably profane this thread by invoking the ridiculous pabulum that is G**d Ch*****te, and I'll have to get all upset and spray violent invective all over the place like some demonic lawn-sprinkler of vituperation, and that's just going to ruin my otherwise sunny mood.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 26 April 2003 06:55 (twenty-one years ago) link


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