People You Suspect Are Frighteningly Overrated But Don't Actually Know Enough About To Say So

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Laurie Anderson.

― Richard Tunnicliffe, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

herman melville. sol campbell. outkast.

― gareth, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Ron Atkinson

― Ronan Fitzgerald, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

ally.

― ethan, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Morrisey

Any British author of novels of past two decades

― dave q, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

All the fiction ever written.

― Ronan, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

By whom, exactly, are Laurie Anderson, Ron Atkinson and Ally rated?

― Nick, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Big Ron is rated by ITV clearly. As for the other two you're on your own.

― Ronan, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I dunno, lots of people seem to like her. I remember her being on the front cover of the Wire a couple of years back FWIW.

― Richard Tunnicliffe, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Tom Waits, Nick Cave, Virginia Woolf, Alesandro Del Piero, Willy Wonka's chocolate.

― Martin, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

If only Mark S was still running The Wire then we'd get Ally on the cover too.

― Tom, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

*sighs* Nick, stop denying your love for me. It's okay.

― Ally, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Bob Dylan.

Oh, and that fizzy Willy Wonka bar you can get is wonderful!

― Bill, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Tom: as you recall in my mentalist plan to conquer the world I only put inanimate objects on the cover!!

Actually there were exceptions.

― mark s, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I am an inanimate object.

― Ally, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Object of Nicks hated/affection.

― Ronan, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

hatred even

― Ronan, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Frank Zappa, Daniel Cohn-Bendit, Annie Proulx, Tim Burton, Filipo Inzhagi, Wired magazine, Beck, Camille Paglia, Michel Foucalt, South Park.

― stevo, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

(i like south park but what d'you NOT have to know abt to be uncertain whether it's as overrated as you suspect?)

― mark s, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Myself, of course. Thankfully I've avoided looking into my own soul and finding out more about me, so I'll never know.

― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

IL*.

― Robin Carmody, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

That Brasseye bloke. Samantha Mumba. Mark Rothko.

― jel, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Zappa, Freud and Jung.

― nathalie, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Prefab Sprout

― Arthur, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

alt country

― dave q, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

can i guve props to billy budd

― anthony, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I bet that Alex Rodriguez is overrated.

― Ally, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Alex Rodriguez is underrated, if anything. Overpaid, maybe.

― Kris, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Oh, to answer the question, Condoleeza Rice.

― Kris, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Overpaid is a good word, yeah.

― Ally, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I'll vote Stephen Merritt.

Saw him open for the Tindersticks maybe 5 years ago, and thought, "my, how boring." Now everybody wets themselves over him. It also didn't help when I read an interview with him in which he slams Rufus Wainwright, then admits he's never heard him.

― Sean, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

he slams Rufus Wainwright, then admits he's never heard him.

Assuming he does hear him and maintains his judgment, Mr. Merritt has just shot up eight million places in my estimation.

― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Mr. Merritt has just shot up eight million places in my estimation.

But what if Ned has some estimation chart on which ALL SIX BILLION of the world's population are ranked. On that basis an eight-million place shift is hardly seismic.

― Tom, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

gothic archies.

― jel, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Leave alt country out of this. It's not really that rated in fairness, except the flagship type people like Ryan Adams. And even if he is over-rated he's still great. Will Oldham, Son Volt, Whiskeytown, Jim White, Lucinda Williams are all class in my opinion. *were* class in Son Volts case.

― Ronan, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I'll leave alt.country out of this but only because I do feel like I know enough to say it's overrated.

― Tom, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Is it rated that highly? I mean unless you read Uncut magazine?

― Ronan, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Actually the fact that alt country is not a person disqualifies it

― Ronan, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Ronan, what constitutes being 'rated' is obviously a slippery subject but it's not just Uncut (although they do go doolally for it). The critical thing here is that it may not be raved about all over the place but it's not slagged off anywhere much either. There's a kind of unquestioning stamp of respectibility afforded to alt.country among the rock cognoscenti. I think this is changing, with people are finally plucking up the courage to say 'this is boring'.

― Nick, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

The Avalanches.

i own an alt.country album, but i hid it at the back so no one ever sees it.

― gareth, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Ok when you put it like that I agree. It's a bit of a sacred cow because hacks don't seem to know that much about it. Also perhaps, the fact that the masses tend to think "oh country is shit" makes it oh so trendy for people to go, "I know better". God I'm giving away all my secretes here. I'm not saying all alt-country is good, but as far as I'm concerned the good stuff is a nice breath of fresh air. As you probably gathered I'm a giant Ryan Adams fan.

― Ronan, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

secrets, not secretes, how unfortunate.

― Ronan, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Colin Powell.

― Tadeusz Suchodolski, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

The Smiths. Lloyd Cole. Douglas Coupland. James Joyce. Courtney Love. Armando Ianuccis new show. Didn't watch it last night due to playing Final Fantasy 8 till a ridiculous time in the morning, but last weeks show only funny in parts and not the awe inspiring behemoth mentioned on other threads. Defintely preferred Friday/Saturday Night Armistice. Will take this back if programme gets funnier. Perhaps is a possible grower.

Also sad to say, Joe Cornish without Adam Buxton. DUD DUD DUD.

― Sarah, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I'm not a Whiskeytown/Ryan Adams fan. I think *he's* overrated. Ronan, have you heard the Old 97s? the Gourds?

― Sam, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I like the Gourds yeah. I haven't heard of the other band you mentioned. I think Whiskeytown have some amazing songs and some real duds, but I tend to listen through the duds a bit. As for Ryan, I think Heartbreaker was an amazing album, however his new album doesn't sound quite as good, and the Dylan comparisons and things he gets are absurd, but its only in Uncut magazine I feel I've read excessive praise about him. Will Oldham is under-rated I reckon, he just keeps churning out the good albums.

― Ronan, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

There used to be a bit of a rivalry btw Whiskeytown/R.Adams and Old 97s/Rhett Butler. I guess I've always stuck to the 97s side. You should definitely check them out. For god sakes don't get their two most recent albums - Fight Songs, Satiellte Rides - unless you really appreciate catchy over-produced pop songs. which you might, i dunno. but their first 3 records, especially Wreck Your Life, are fantastic.

― Sam, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

No when country starts turning into over produced power pop its truly awful. See half of Pneumonia by Whiskeytown.

― Ronan, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

i like robbie fulks.

― ethan, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I'm assuming Wilco aren't still alt.country. I quite like them.

― Tom, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

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Tbf the same could be said of Plato.

xp

― pomenitul, Friday, 1 May 2020 18:44 (four years ago) link

Syd Barrett’s eyes are underrated

― brimstead, Friday, 1 May 2020 18:53 (four years ago) link

anagram outed as Roger Waters

― k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Friday, 1 May 2020 18:54 (four years ago) link

if you have any awareness that your opinion might be at all subjective, you have to leave that shit at the door, it harshes everyone else's rage buzz.

That describes like 90% of ilx tho

― Rodent of usual size (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 1 May 2020 19:05 (four years ago) link

Ban all opinions imo.

― pomenitul, Friday, 1 May 2020 19:09 (four years ago) link

xp nah, about 5% of ILM, max

― Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 1 May 2020 19:27 (four years ago) link

The Shaggs

― Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Monday, 4 May 2020 03:17 (four years ago) link

they taught me who parents are!

― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 4 May 2020 05:02 (four years ago) link

and gave me my philosophy of the world!

― My Chess Hustler (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 4 May 2020 05:04 (four years ago) link

two weeks pass...

eileen myles

― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Tuesday, 19 May 2020 18:53 (three years ago) link

yes

― adam, Tuesday, 19 May 2020 18:57 (three years ago) link

Wikipedia: Novelist Dennis Cooper has described Myles as "one of the savviest and most restless intellects in contemporary literature."

If this is the highest praise from the most prominent proponent that the Wikipedia contributor could scrounge up, then I find it hard to believe the subject is "frighteningly overrated" by anyone outside of some incestuous little coterie of mutually admiring artistes.

― A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 19 May 2020 19:05 (three years ago) link

how about: i suspect she's overrated by the people i know who care about poetry?

― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Tuesday, 19 May 2020 19:05 (three years ago) link

which i know more than a few

― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Tuesday, 19 May 2020 19:06 (three years ago) link

dennis cooper rocks though so now i'm thinking about interrogating this suspicion

― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Tuesday, 19 May 2020 19:06 (three years ago) link

recently read Chelsea Girls and it's great. can't speak for her poetry.

― by the light of the burning Citroën, Tuesday, 19 May 2020 19:11 (three years ago) link

It's funny to police this thread over the lack of an objective standard for "overrated" rather than the embarrassing smugness of the premise. The micro-scale of Brad's example is slightly more interesting, I think, than those posters above the skip bravely naming Marx, Freud, "All of Krautrock," etc

― dip to dup (rob), Tuesday, 19 May 2020 19:18 (three years ago) link

Neil Gaiman. But not Amanda Palmer because, afaict, nobody rates her.

― Is Lou Reed a Good Singer? (Tom D.), Tuesday, 19 May 2020 19:36 (three years ago) link

Amanda Palmer has 15,674 patrons on Patreon, so apparently some people rate her.

― Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 19 May 2020 20:50 (three years ago) link

This thread title describes my feelings on The Frogs. Brought this up on their thread, but seeing this reminded me again...

― Evan, Tuesday, 19 May 2020 21:03 (three years ago) link

(xp) She might be a genius, all I know is that everyone ILX seems to hate her.

― Is Lou Reed a Good Singer? (Tom D.), Tuesday, 19 May 2020 21:46 (three years ago) link

Some people's talents lie in making transcendent music for a niche audience. Some people bring art to the masses. Amanda's talent is in shameless grifting. Who are we to judge which is better?

― Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 19 May 2020 21:50 (three years ago) link

I just listened to 45 seconds of 'Drowning in the Sound' and it immediately silenced the part of me that wants to give every musician a fair shake. The album it's culled from reportedly last 78 minutes.

― pomenitul, Tuesday, 19 May 2020 21:52 (three years ago) link

"Amanda Palmer has 15,674 patrons on Patreon"

I calculate that I had probably had that at least that many dumps by the age of 36 if I had a dump average of 1.2 a day.

― calzino, Tuesday, 19 May 2020 21:56 (three years ago) link

her lowest tier is $1 and her highest is $250, if her average supporter is giving $5 then that's $78,370 per month, for Patreon alone, no I am not obsessed by this

― Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 19 May 2020 22:10 (three years ago) link

imagine getting paid $250 a dump, but only once every 6400 dumps
show your math

― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 00:17 (three years ago) link

If I get backpaid calzino’s $3.2milli now, I bet I can make it last until the next big dump drop. Even if I lash out with that bounty and eat meat twice a week, it shouldn’t bring my average down to 1.2/day.

― Bleeqwot (sic), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 00:42 (three years ago) link

it's the .2 that really gets ya

― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 01:12 (three years ago) link

Eileen Myles is awesome

Every time I've housesit for a homo friend I always see some Dennis Cooper novel on the shelf called Scum or Tripe or Bum or something and I crack it open thinking "ok maybe this is the one that everybody says I simply must read" and I suffer for twenty-odd pages of utter illegible nonsense before giving up and thinking that maybe JT Leroy wasn't so bad after all

― it’s been one week since you pissed on me (flamboyant goon tie included), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 02:42 (three years ago) link

I did pause when one of the members of my book club asked whether or not I would want to know Dennis Cooper personally

― Dan S, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 02:53 (three years ago) link

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