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Chick peas and lentils are not vegetables.

That mint chutney, why is it always orange or yellow?

Emma, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Can't remember what curry I had. Trevor, fill me in here. I only know that the chances that there was a rat in the dish is rather high. ;-) Has the restaurant since reopened, Trev?

nathalie, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Yes, dal = tasty. Give me lentils and I will cook you good dal++.

Richard Tunnicliffe, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Ach, pulses then.

Richard Tunnicliffe, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Emma, you're taking vegetable pedantry to extremes. A vegetable curry does not consist solely of root vegetables, but rather of materials which fall into the 'vegetable' category of the much underused animal- vegetable-mineral taxonomy of everything. Also allowable for inclusion are some minerals such as salt and dairy products (I feel a little uncomfortable defining dairy products as mineral but since they are neither animal nor vegetable, mineral they must be).

Tim, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Don't you people ever eat shite food when you're drunk? Or am I, in my relatively poor financial state, missing something?

Ronan, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Tim, I am feeling very pedantic today. It's marvellous. And you see there is a difference between a VEGETABLE curry and a VEGETARIAN curry. Isn't there?

Ronan, what exactly do you mean by shite food? Normally when I am drunk I eat either quiche or KFC. Does that count?

Emma, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Quiche is most definitely shite food.

Richard Tunnicliffe, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I too found Ronan's question baffling. I mean it's not as if anyone's being very poncey about their curry preferences yet, and we have all been known to eat it sober too I'm sure.

Tom, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I'm well aware of the existence of the word vegetarian, and the difference it has in meaning from the word vegetable, Emma.

I contend that no vegetable curry deserving of the name has ever been composed entirely from root vegetables. I repeat that the term vegetable can refer to things other than merely root vegetables.

Shouldn't you be photocopying a novel or something?

Tim, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Oi! No in jokes on ILE please.

Emma, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Quiche is most definitely shite food.
Your secretion must a strange colour then. Last time I checked, mine was brown.

nathalie, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Yeah that was what I was thinking of. If you can remember yourself eating it it's not as much fun really. Nothing like finding an empty bag in your room behind the bed and crumbs from something or other everywhere the next morning.

Ronan, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Also let us face it meat curry tends to have things other than meat in, i.e vegetables. So it is only fair that the same courtesy be extended to vegetable curries.

Obviously if we saw animal vegetable and mineral as a continuum these sectarian disputes would be a thing of the past.

Tom, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Oi! No in jokes on ILE please.

Oh now she tells us.

Tom, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

"Can't remember what curry I had. Trevor, fill me in here. I only know that the chances that there was a rat in the dish is rather high. ;-) Has the restaurant since reopened, Trev?"

The rat in the dish is my favourite bit! Oh yes, Shampan's is still going strong Nath, albeit under new management, me and Neil have been there several times since. It takes more than a few rat droppings to upset our hardy constitutions - we even took Judy there, of course we only mentioned the scandal *after* she'd finished her meal. [wicked laughter]

I think you had something with coconut in it (Chicken Bhuna, perhaps?), hence me pulling a face every time you breathed in my general direction. ;-)

Trevor, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Uh, Sarah, you do know that millions of Indians are vegetarians, don't you? Like the Hinduja brothers, who take their own chefs around with them, turn up at restaurants and send their chefs into the kitchens to do their dals and sag aloo and whatever (I have a first-hand source for this, by the way).

Tim makes a decent curry, as far as I recall, so speaks with some authority on this subject.

Oh, and Sarah: lentils don't have to be hippy food or indeed vegetarian. In Spain they have (green/brown) lentils stewed with big chunks of bacon and sausage and tomato, which I remember being very excellent from way back when I ate meat and my mother used to make it.

Mark Morris, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Mark, just because lots of people do it, doesn't mean it's right.

My big problem with curry houses at present is that I have a favourite curry house. It is so darned good, and my favourite by such a long way, that I can barely bring myself to eat curry elsewhere. It's most unfortunate.

Tim, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

i think the point that Mark was making is that curry doesn't have to have meat in it to be 'authentic' and certainly not to be tasty, as any fule who has ever eaten my potato and cauli curry will kno.

katie, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

which was also not to imply that anyone eating my cooking is a fule.

i think this is all leading up to the ILE BRICK LANE CURRY NIGHT - when???

katie, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Mmmmm, currrryyyy... there is a fantastic VEGETARIAN curry house in Tooting- we took Ned there while he was in town. They have these appetisers called something like "taste bombs" because that's what they are. Just a little pastry shell stuffed full of spices! You're supposed to pop it in your mouth all at once, because to chew through the various taste combinations that explode in your mouth is a truly delightful thing.

kate, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

The eating habits of a few million people will not change my opinion re: meat in a curry being ACE. I don't think I've ever had a vegetarian curry for simple fact that to a meat eater, it seems RATHER POINTLESS to NOT have meat when you CAN have meat! Yum yum!

Although you know, if anyone wants to cook me a veggie curry, they're more than welcome.

ILE Brick Lane Curry Night - I have the number for Cafe Naz programmed into my mobile, so tip me the wink and I'll reserve nine millions places and warn them to stock plenty of Becks/Smirnoff Ice. Curry + Power Shandy. YES!

Sarah, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

tom has started an ILE Curry night thread hurrah!!! let's go to one where you can bring your own Power Shandy though :):) i'm off to post this suggestion there as well...

katie, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Sarah - stop being down on the Veggie Curry. Go to the all you can eat for 2.95 place on Chapel Street and your mind will soon be changed (especially with the coloured rice krispies).

Pete, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Where is suzie on this thread? Is she objecting to the plebian term 'curry'?

Nick, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Sarah, do you have Meat Flakes for breakfast?

DV, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

this power shandy you speak of is wino shandy, as identified in the alcopop thread I believe.

cabbage, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Search all curry. I'm an addict. I mainline it.

There's a hugely successful vegetarian Indian restaurant that I frequent nearby. 95% of the clientele is Indian, but apparently they're missing *the point* of their cuisine.

Andy, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Sarah, I saw you eating Vegetarian curry at Suzie's roof barbeque and I didn't hear you complaining none, then!

kate, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Aha but Kate you did not see me disappearing round the other side to gnaw some RAW BLOODY FLESH once I had partaken of the sadly meat free curry (which incidentally now I do not remember).

I don't usually eat breakfast, incidentally you durty vicar you.

Anyway there is nothing against veggie-ness. I've had some very nice tasting vegetarians HUR HUR HUR yawn kill me now...

Sarah, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

What annoys me is when you go somewhere and there's vegetarian and non-vegetarian food... all the meat-eaters eat the vegetarian food and leave the meat alone! Which means the vegetarians starve! Winds me up no end.

Paul Strange, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Saag paneer = FOOD OF THE GODS.

Dan Perry, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Mateer (sp?) paneer = cheesy peas = foul.

Emma, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Can I just say Lassi - mmm..?. Although if made badly it can resemble semen.

Nick, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

We're now one mention away from a 'foods that are a bit like cum' thread. TREAD CAREFULLY ILE.

Tom, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Instead we're on a 'drinks that taste a bit of cumin' thread. Phew. I like lassi too, Nick, but only the salty variety.

Tim, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Paul, obviously the "meat eaters" you dine with DO NOT UNDERSTAND THEIR LIFE CHOICE. I do not think the POINT of a national dish is the meat or the cumin or whatever, just that it tends to be my favourite part! Sheesh! Veggie fascism!! Only if I was in a strange mood would I go for the meat option.

OR TO KEEP MY VEGETARIAN COMPANIONS FROM FEELING LIKE THE FREAKS THAT THEY ARE.

Lets talk about power shandies on the alcopops thread. Off to drag it up RIGHT NOW.

Sarah, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Sorry, here I am and look what I've missed (I was in Paris interviewing Charlotte Gainsbourg, but that's another story).

Saag paneer is wonderful, so's muttar paneer if you get one from the more savoury end of the restaurant scale (like they do at Ravi Shankar in Drummond Street). I can make both of these, not to mention keema peas, most of the chicken curries and a great fish masala.

Best Brick Lane caffs are Sweet'n'Spicy or Shalamar Halal (S&S have the world's best samosas). For BYOB places, the Nazrul is very trad (busy wallpaper, fairy lights) but very cheap and nice. If it's full, you just go to the Aladin. Don't like the nasty Naz for some reason (more expensive). But it's fab to go to Southall (where I have been known to buy supplies).

suzy, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

god yeah I forgot Southall, amazing place, as is the Ealing Road in Wembley, I used to work just off it and the restaurants and food stalls down there are fantastic.

cabbage, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I'm not going to read the whole thread (sorry), but is Indian food tremendously popular in England? I've seen references to Curries many times in English writing, as if it were the most common thing in the world. Sure you can get it in the States (there are many Indian restaurants in San Francisco), but it doesn't seem to be as popular as I'm guessing it is in England. Can anyone confirm or offer an explanation?

Sean, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I think you had something with coconut in it (Chicken Bhuna, perhaps?), hence me pulling a face every time you breathed in my general direction. ;-)
I thought it was because I was expanding on my Destiny's Child obsession. hahahaha

nathalie, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Yes Sean. It was recently proclaimed our national dish in a triumphant cheer for multiculturalism. Reasons? High levels of Indian (or more importantly Bangladeshi) immigration and the YUMMINESS of curry.

Nick, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Sean: curry is *the* most popular food in Britain, in terms of what people eat when they go out. It overtook fish and chips a few years ago, which occasioned a fair bit of comment. Politicians have used chicken tikka massala - originated in British curry houses and now the most popular dish in the UK - as a symbol of multiculturalism.

Tom, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

sean. curry is nigh-on AMBROSIAL. and don't you forget it.

katie, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I'm not going to read the whole thread (sorry), but is Indian food tremendously popular in England? I've seen references to Curries many times in English writing, as if it were the most common thing in the world. Sure you can get it in the States (there are many Indian restaurants in San Francisco), but it doesn't seem to be as popular as I'm guessing it is in England. Can anyone confirm or offer an explanation?

It's baffling to me too...the Brits seem to know more about Indian food than me, and I grew up eating it almost everyday.

Kris, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

there is a fantastic VEGETARIAN curry house in Tooting- we took Ned there while he was in town.

Damn straight -- go to it.

Now, to answer Kris and the other feller's question -- yes, Indian food in the UK is like Mexican food in southern California. It is inescapable, it is *everywhere*. Jane once told me that you could be in the most remote area of the Highlands and you'd probably find an Indian place, and given I know I saw at least the one and maybe more on the Isle of Skye, I think she's onto something. As to why? Surely to do with the British Empire and all. Tea came first, the rest came later -- though likely things were intensified as more and more folks from the subcontinent settled in the UK during and after the Raj, creating an obvious demand. I seem to recall some talk -- likely Momus, I wouldn't be surprised -- about how some of what are often seen as 'traditional' Indian dishes in the UK are actually creations for a different market/palate/etc., a bit like chop suey and fortune cookies here in the States with regard to Chinese food.

I admit I'm more for saag paneer, as Dan wisely noted, a Fine and Glorious thing, perfect for dipping yer naan into. Mango lassi is pure heaven and just what is needed to offset the fiery dishes. Yow. Those who are into the glory of Indian cuisines are recommended to check out Ethiopian food, which while not an exact comparison provides a similar range of spicy experiences, good base bread, vegeterian friendliness and good beer.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Sean being the other feller. I got lazy. ;-)

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Dammit, Tom already beat me to the punch with some of my answer. I need to read more carefully. So it was in fact chicken tikka marsala, was it? For some reason I thought it was something else...

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Mmmm mango lassi... MMMMMMMMMMMMMmmmmm ETHIOPIAN FOOD....

Has everyone in Boston been to Addis Red Sea on Tremont St? Fantastic Ethiopian restaurant.

Dan Perry, Wednesday, 19 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

one month passes...
I can highly recommend Sainsbury's Southern Indian Chicken Cocunut Korma - delicious !

DJ Martian, Thursday, 8 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

the leaves are slightly different?

just sayin, Thursday, 27 July 2017 04:57 (six years ago) link

parsley is pointier but they do look very similar

ogmor, Thursday, 27 July 2017 08:19 (six years ago) link

I've taken to putting some of this in curries (and everything else) when I can't be bothered to chop fresh chilli and it's good:

https://www.chilliworld.com/mr-naga-hot-pepper-pickle

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Thursday, 27 July 2017 08:41 (six years ago) link

herbs are v frustrating to me. i love them and use them as much as possible but the packeted kind often go rotten v quickly. i feel like i waste more money on herbs than anything else.

Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Thursday, 27 July 2017 09:10 (six years ago) link

I was thinking back to when I first started making curries a few years back, and was meticulously separating the coriander leaves from the stalks with some scissors, one by one. Maunika Gowardhan, would would have said: wtf are you actually doing? and then chopped up the job-lot up in 30 seconds with a knife!

calzino, Thursday, 27 July 2017 09:34 (six years ago) link

i hate when recipes say "leaves only" - who really cares if there are a few stalks in there?

Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Thursday, 27 July 2017 09:39 (six years ago) link

Fresh herbs keep really well in a ziploc bag ime

just sayin, Thursday, 27 July 2017 10:53 (six years ago) link

good tip, i'll give that a go.

Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Thursday, 27 July 2017 10:53 (six years ago) link

put a paper towel in the bag with them

assawoman bay (harbl), Thursday, 27 July 2017 11:00 (six years ago) link

full knowledge bomb on this mother today! thnx.

calzino, Thursday, 27 July 2017 11:13 (six years ago) link

#lifehacks

Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Thursday, 27 July 2017 11:13 (six years ago) link

Coriander grows very slowly, smells like a stink bug, and you can only use a young plant's leaves. Hence, I buy sprigs. Most curry recipes call for huge quantities of cilantro anyway, so you don't have to keep it in the fridge for too long.

Wes Brodicus, Thursday, 27 July 2017 11:30 (six years ago) link

the leaves are slightly different?

I know I know but I just can't tell the difference!

Senator Luther Strange (stevie), Sunday, 30 July 2017 19:08 (six years ago) link

Fold herbs into a slightly damp kitchen towel and keep in fridge

jk rowling obituary thread (darraghmac), Sunday, 30 July 2017 19:10 (six years ago) link

Maunika's recipes are brilliant

Senator Luther Strange (stevie), Sunday, 30 July 2017 19:14 (six years ago) link

yeah, Maunika's recipes and videos are so ace. I did her Chicken Biryani recipe this week. I didn't have any mint but it still turned out very nice. I like how she encourages much garlic, none of this 1 or 2 cloves nonsense. And she got me putting saffron into warm milk, which is a new approach for me.

calzino, Sunday, 30 July 2017 20:26 (six years ago) link

word to the wise: asafoetida

the shape of a hot willie lumpkin (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 30 July 2017 22:28 (six years ago) link

two years pass...

Meera Sodha’s Christmas recipe for vegan achari brussels sprout curry | The new vegan https://t.co/79N6NxtaaD via @guardianfood

— Guardian Feast (@GuardianFeast) December 21, 2019

I love the simplicity of this one, going to do it later because I'm flat out fucked with a cold and need an easy day.

calzino, Saturday, 21 December 2019 10:39 (four years ago) link

This looks good. You could probably double the ginger and garlic to get extra cold help. I feel like the masala I made last week I used about 7 cloves of garlic and 2 inches of ginger.

Yerac, Saturday, 21 December 2019 15:14 (four years ago) link

I never use less than one bulb or half a big bulb of garlic in curries no matter what the recipe says. Had to cancel this for a boring sausage/butterbean casserole because they needed using today. Will bear that advice in mind tomorrow tho.

calzino, Saturday, 21 December 2019 15:45 (four years ago) link

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EMZx6YLXYAEAwKD?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

this worked out well despite lacking nigella seeds. i couldn't resist adding hot chilli powder and garam masala cos it needed a bit more heat imo.

calzino, Sunday, 22 December 2019 22:12 (four years ago) link

one month passes...

https://www.theguardian.com/food/2020/jan/25/meera-sodha-masala-baked-beans-on-toast-recipe-vegan?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

another Meera Sodha recipe that looks awesome. Might induce a stroke in some ILXers by including a tin of baked beans!

calzino, Sunday, 26 January 2020 10:08 (four years ago) link

her books are so great

Pinche Cumbion Bien Loco (stevie), Sunday, 26 January 2020 18:22 (four years ago) link

i had to reconsider the difference bw u.s. and british baked beans but that looks inspired. calzino, what was that brussels dish in your previous post?

xpost

medicate for all (outdoor_miner), Monday, 27 January 2020 01:29 (four years ago) link

I really love the coriander/peanut chutney from that recipe, but my favorite Meera Sodha recipe so far is this one

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/oct/21/chilli-tofu-recipe-vegan-meera-sodha

Dan S, Sunday, 2 February 2020 02:25 (four years ago) link

off topic as far as curry goes:

I want to explore a vegan diet, but it seems very daunting. I’m liking Meera Sodha’s articles

for the tofu chili recipe I used serrano chilis in place of jwala finger chilis, since I can't find jwalas where I live and serranos are similar on the Scoville heat scale.

I now know that rapeseed oil is canola oil.

a question: what is corn flour? where I live there is no such thing as corn flour, it’s either corn meal, which is very coarse, or corn starch, which is very fine. I used corn starch for coating the tofu in this recipe

Dan S, Sunday, 2 February 2020 05:24 (four years ago) link

Re: that Sodha recipe, can I assume a brown onion (in the UK) is a yellow onion (in the US)?

I've never heard of a brown onion in four decades...

Darth Bambi (Sanpaku), Sunday, 2 February 2020 05:45 (four years ago) link

I think she has to be referring to yellow onions

Dan S, Sunday, 2 February 2020 05:58 (four years ago) link

i think she means cornstarch for the tofu? Getting corn flour for that seems unnecessary. Google says it's basically the same thing. But if you really wanted it they sell Bob's Red Mill stuff all over the world (don't recall where you are) and they do corn flour.

Making crispy tofu is one of my least favorite activities. I've tried some of the hacks people post online but right now I am enjoying being able to buy aburage (twice deep dried tofu) in packages nearby.

Yerac, Sunday, 2 February 2020 06:13 (four years ago) link

yep uk cornflour = us cornstarch

thomasintrouble, Sunday, 2 February 2020 08:25 (four years ago) link


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