conservatives: liberal = smart?

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memories from undergrad: i started off as an accounting major, and had to take a number of econ. classes. since my undergrad school took CONSIDERABLE pride in the fact that MILTON FUCKING FRIEDMAN was a product of theirs, i wouldn't say that they were exactly flaming pinkos. it is my understanding that this is not an isolated thing (i.e., economics departments are NOTORIOUSLY conservative [or at least libertarian]).

memories of law school: considering the large number of John Olin Chairs at various law schools, the proliferation of "law and economics" curricula, the near-veneration of folks like richard posner, the presence of active federalist society branches at EVERY law school, the fact that most law grads CREAM at the prospect of going to work for $100s at some BigLaw, the innate stodginess of the legal profession, legal reasoning and law school curricula, and the heavy-handedness of administrators = NOT AN ENTIRELY HOSTILE ENVIRONMENT FOR RIGHT-WINGERS.

so whachoo wingnuts talkin' 'bout?!?

Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 8 April 2005 05:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Being excited about making money doesn't make you right-wing. Anyway, is the University of Chicago really a good example, or the exception that proves the rule? I think it's a problem. Not something worth boo-hooing abour all the time, certainly not something worth sueing anyone about, but it should be recognized. It's not really something that can be legislated out of existance.

Chris H. (chrisherbert), Friday, 8 April 2005 05:18 (nineteen years ago) link

check wonkette & the AP newswire for "DeLay defiant" or "new round of allegations against DeLay" stories.

(xpost)

and i love how the radical conservative stereotype of university life never seems to include what, say, engineering professors are like, or the Howard Phillips/libertarian-worshipping econ/business school guys that my brother had to grimace his way thru.

then again, it's a stereotype. it's an image created to use to bolster one's agenda among one's own kind. whether it resembles anything in actual daily life or not is beside the point.

kingfish maximum overdrunk (Kingfish), Friday, 8 April 2005 05:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah. I was an education reporter in the early-mid-90s, when there was all the outrage about "political correctness" run amok in public schools, how students weren't even learning about George Washington anymore, just lesbians and black people. So I went and interviewed a whole bunch of history teachers and sat in on some classes and read a bunch of textbooks and it was more or less the same Famous Dead People version of history that I myself had learned a few years before, maybe with the occasional feature-box nod to the majority of the population that was either not male or not white.

But that's the thing. Most people in this country are not currently college students, so if you tell them the campuses are all being run as Maoist re-education camps, I guess it's an easy sell.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 8 April 2005 05:26 (nineteen years ago) link

, I guess it's an easy sell.

yup. set up a framing, set up a narrative that plays to a lack of understanding and actual consideration, then use all your energy in pushing it for years. you'll be surprised how much mileage you get out of it.

kingfish maximum overdrunk (Kingfish), Friday, 8 April 2005 05:45 (nineteen years ago) link

i don't know if the world's universities have ever been on the "conservative" end of their respective societies (ahem other than being built by and for their actual upper elites, in class terms [not in fake-elite coastal wine drinker smartypants terms]) it's just structural, i think.

conversely, half a century ago, political allegiances of military officers was split 50-50. gee, which is a bigger "problem"? (i don't remeber where i read this)

g e o f f (gcannon), Friday, 8 April 2005 06:49 (nineteen years ago) link

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[please ban this ip], Friday, 8 April 2005 06:51 (nineteen years ago) link

oh and frankly there IS a stultifying liberal consenus on the nation's campuses. but the logic of "representation" works in conservatives' favor, they get the same campus activity dollars as everyone else to fund (speaking of my U) Campus GOP, myriad competing xtian groups ("Women of Virtue" being my personal favorite...)

um xpost

g e o f f (gcannon), Friday, 8 April 2005 06:56 (nineteen years ago) link

and i call spam on this thread from the start. sneaky sneaky, Barrett Bangwell.

g e o f f (gcannon), Friday, 8 April 2005 06:57 (nineteen years ago) link

what do you mean?

Barrett Bangwell, Friday, 8 April 2005 14:29 (nineteen years ago) link

first, krugman from 4/5

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/05/opinion/05krugman.html?n=Top%2fOpinion%2fEditorials%20and%20Op%2dEd%2fOp%2dEd%2fColumnists%2fPaul%20Krugman

second, this hilarious piece by a guy at stanford...really takes the issue to a whole nother level imo

http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/001588

looj (looj), Friday, 8 April 2005 19:13 (nineteen years ago) link

five years pass...

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/weird/Scientists-May-Have-IDd-Liberal-Gene-105917218.html

Researchers have determined that genetics could matter when it comes to some adults' political leanings.

According to scientists at UC San Diego and Harvard University, "ideology is affected not just by social factors, but also by a dopamine receptor gene called DRD4." That and how many friends you had during high school.

The study was led by UCSD's James Fowler and focused on 2,000 subjects from the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health. Scientists matched the subjects' genetic information with "maps" of their social networks. According to researchers, they determined that people "with a specific variant of the DRD4 gene were more likely to be liberal as adults." However, the, subjects were only more likely to have leanings to the left if they were also socially active during adolescence.

"It is the crucial interaction of two factors -- the genetic predisposition and the environmental condition of having many friends in adolescence -- that is associated with being more liberal,” according to the study.

According to scientists at UC San Diego and Harvard University, "ideology is affected not just by social factors, but also by a dopamine receptor gene called DRD4." That and how many friends you had during high school.

The study was led by UCSD's James Fowler and focused on 2,000 subjects from the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health. Scientists matched the subjects' genetic information with "maps" of their social networks. According to researchers, they determined that people "with a specific variant of the DRD4 gene were more likely to be liberal as adults." However, the, subjects were only more likely to have leanings to the left if they were also socially active during adolescence.

"It is the crucial interaction of two factors -- the genetic predisposition and the environmental condition of having many friends in adolescence -- that is associated with being more liberal,” according to the study.

"These findings suggest that political affiliation is not based solely on the kind of social environment people experience,” said Fowler, who is a professor of political science and medical genetics.

The researchers also said their findings held true no matter what the ethnicity, culture, sex or age of the subjects were.

Cunga, Thursday, 28 October 2010 04:32 (thirteen years ago) link

What's so funny about the "many friends in high school = future liberal" statistic is that, no matter what the outcome of that study was, both liberals and conservatives will easily spin the conclusion to match their own notions about themselves and "the other side"

e.g.

Option 1: "Study says having a lot of friends in high school makes you a liberal"

conservatives: yeah no kidding, the left is all about following "the in crowd," and never thinking for themselves. Never change, Libtards.

liberals: when you have a lot of friends from different backgrounds you are more likely to be tolerant and see things from someone eles's perspective all your life. diversity is our strength etc

Option 2: (but if the study had said) "study says having few friends in high school makes you a liberal"

conservatives: no wonder! liberals are anti-social grievance mongers and are composed of societies freaks and weirdos. they can't make friends, they're too busy being angry complainers! never change, libtards.

liberals: this is because we liberals are the underdogs, the downtrodden, the repressed in society. we are used to being outsiders looking in...

And it's not too hard to figure out what the rhetoric would be for "not many friends in high school = conservative" and vice versa.easily,

Cunga, Thursday, 28 October 2010 04:45 (thirteen years ago) link


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