― Douglas (Douglas), Tuesday, 5 August 2003 01:39 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 5 August 2003 01:44 (twenty years ago) link
― steve, Tuesday, 5 August 2003 01:48 (twenty years ago) link
― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Tuesday, 5 August 2003 01:49 (twenty years ago) link
― steve, Tuesday, 5 August 2003 02:08 (twenty years ago) link
― steve, Tuesday, 5 August 2003 02:10 (twenty years ago) link
Seconded. Most people aren't aware of this amazing song? Or do they just not like it?
― colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Tuesday, 5 August 2003 02:11 (twenty years ago) link
― gaz (gaz), Tuesday, 5 August 2003 02:59 (twenty years ago) link
I don't understand what all the controversy is about the production on 'To Each...'. I remember it got pretty bad reviews because of it at the time but to me it sounds great - crisp and funky with a good drum sound and some nice atmospherics. Underrated track that everyone should hear : Loss.
For me To Each, Sextet and Graveyard+Ballroom are essential as are the Knife Slits Water and Waterline 12 inchers. From later on 'Force' is brilliant as are the Wild Party and Life's A Scream 12 inchers. I really like 'I'd Like To See You Again' but I can see why most people don't.
― Dr. C (Dr. C), Tuesday, 5 August 2003 10:49 (twenty years ago) link
Anyway, they came out of the crap period and went great again with the "MCR" album.
― Johnny Jarvis, Tuesday, 5 August 2003 15:02 (twenty years ago) link
As to "To Each.."'s production, I think the band and Hannett slagged it off simply because the early mixes were far better before the engineer in the US cleared the mixing desk (or whatever, the story is in "Early"'s notes). I think it sounds a bit murky, but it suits the material really. And come on... "Winter hill"!!! What a track!
― Rob M (Rob M), Tuesday, 5 August 2003 15:28 (twenty years ago) link
― Mike Taylor (mjt), Tuesday, 5 August 2003 23:49 (twenty years ago) link
― steve, Wednesday, 6 August 2003 00:29 (twenty years ago) link
― Johnny Jarvis, Wednesday, 6 August 2003 07:24 (twenty years ago) link
― Mike Taylor (mjt), Thursday, 7 August 2003 01:42 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 04:12 (twenty years ago) link
― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 04:19 (twenty years ago) link
― Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 04:20 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 04:21 (twenty years ago) link
― Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 04:22 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 04:27 (twenty years ago) link
― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 04:29 (twenty years ago) link
― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 04:30 (twenty years ago) link
― Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 04:30 (twenty years ago) link
― Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 04:31 (twenty years ago) link
― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 04:32 (twenty years ago) link
― Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 04:33 (twenty years ago) link
rockist i think simon wosname (topping?) studied latin percussion in ney york. i have a 12 on factory by him which is well smoochy on the timbales (but still crap)
― mullygrubber (gaz), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 04:33 (twenty years ago) link
(and yes i know what it means.)
― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 04:33 (twenty years ago) link
― Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 04:34 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 04:35 (twenty years ago) link
(My psychoticism quotient is high tonight.)
― Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 04:39 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 04:40 (twenty years ago) link
"So, not like Joy Division at all, then."
― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 04:43 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 04:46 (twenty years ago) link
― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 04:48 (twenty years ago) link
― the surface noise (electricsound), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 04:50 (twenty years ago) link
― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 04:54 (twenty years ago) link
Oh jesus wept. In WHAT WAY is it 'JD-parody-ish'? WHAT WAY? WHICH 'Earlier Stuff'. Alright I'll concede that the voice is low-register kinda tuneless and not exactly a million miles from Curtis (of course ST stood in for IC a couple of times) but musically, apart from the original All Night Party/Thin Boys it's nothing like. DoJo's drumming makes sure of that.
BTW - All Night Party on the 'Ballroom' side of G&B has the best intro ever. Droning guitar noise, huge pop as a jack is plugged in, a mumbled word from Topping and a fucking great explosion as DoJo's drums come in insanely fast and syncopated. 'My Life Is Just/An Angry Blur'. Indeed.
― Dr. C (Dr. C), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 08:20 (twenty years ago) link
I could wibble on for hours, but I'll just say "Go buy" and leave it at that. Sextet to follow soon, I hope.
― Jeff W (zebedee), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 11:46 (twenty years ago) link
Go on, Jeff. WIBBLE!
― Dr. C (Dr. C), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 12:16 (twenty years ago) link
― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 12:40 (twenty years ago) link
― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 12:43 (twenty years ago) link
― Mr Mime (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 12:44 (twenty years ago) link
― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 12:46 (twenty years ago) link
― RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 12:46 (twenty years ago) link
― Mr Mime (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 12:48 (twenty years ago) link
― Mr Mime (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 12:50 (twenty years ago) link
― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 12:50 (twenty years ago) link
haha amen, grimly
― Just Go Lay A Disco Egg (Bimble), Saturday, 4 July 2009 10:28 (fourteen years ago) link
I would probably buy this if I saw it on iTunes. Which it isn't.
― I am using your worlds, Saturday, 4 July 2009 10:33 (fourteen years ago) link
It mystifies me too why they don't do more to get their music heard. They'd be absolutely perfect on LTM. As a side note, a lot of the original factory crew seem to be undergoing creative renaissances. The last few releases by Durutti Column and especially Section 25 have been good to excellent.
― sandcat dune buggy attack squad!! (leavethecapital), Saturday, 4 July 2009 13:26 (fourteen years ago) link
Yep: they've been superb (although, in fairness, Vini's never really put a foot wrong).
Apparently Red Turns To ... have reformed: http://www.myspace.com/redturnsto. Fuck me.
― a tiny, faltering megaphone (grimly fiendish), Saturday, 4 July 2009 14:39 (fourteen years ago) link
I really like that Red Turn To EP. I wish there was more from that era.
― sandcat dune buggy attack squad!! (leavethecapital), Saturday, 4 July 2009 15:08 (fourteen years ago) link
There probably is and they'll just never let us hear it ;)
― Just Go Lay A Disco Egg (Bimble), Saturday, 4 July 2009 17:41 (fourteen years ago) link
Anyone else heard the new album, Mind Made Up? Between that and the new Fall album, late seventies Manchester keeps bringing it.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 20 May 2010 16:26 (thirteen years ago) link
Damn, that reissue of Force is so good.
― double shyamalan (MaresNest), Saturday, 29 May 2010 23:04 (thirteen years ago) link
Iv'e always loved Force even though it was almost universally panned at the time it came out. The record allows me to indulge my secret love of smooth funk-pop without feeling guilty. Has anyone heard any of the ARC stuff that came out on Rob's Records, the label Gretton ran for a brief time in the seventies, is it anything like their other records or is it more dance floor oriented?
― i'm a desperate bicycle (leavethecapital), Saturday, 29 May 2010 23:37 (thirteen years ago) link
timely revive, considering thread starter's display name
― willem, Sunday, 30 May 2010 05:59 (thirteen years ago) link
I bought Force when I was a nipper on-spec from HMV in Union Street Glasgow, just simply through the artwork being so damn good, it was on Factory *and* it was a nifty cassette box set. When I played it I was a bit let down that it wasn't at-all like JD or NO, I liked it a bit but generally would only listen to Mickey Way and Fever repeatedly. What an object though! I even rebought it on EBay a few years later even though I don't listen to cassettes.
Nowadays, with the absence of any kind of peer prssure, I am greatly digging those mid-eighties coffee table funk tones and pristine production, Corrine Drewery's (sp) voice on Bootsy is lovely too.
― double shyamalan (MaresNest), Sunday, 30 May 2010 10:26 (thirteen years ago) link
http://cerysmaticfactory.info/fact166c.html
I've just started James Nice's Factory Book too and looking forward to chewing on that.
― double shyamalan (MaresNest), Sunday, 30 May 2010 10:32 (thirteen years ago) link
Oh wow, hadn't heard about the book yet!
http://www.cerysmaticfactory.info/shadowplayers_the_rise_and_fall_of_factory_records.html
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 30 May 2010 14:23 (thirteen years ago) link
A Factory book by James Nice? Me want now. Oh and Rob's Records were active eighties to early nineties, durr... I'll have to pick up that Rob's Records sampler from LTM.
― i'm a desperate bicycle (leavethecapital), Sunday, 30 May 2010 16:17 (thirteen years ago) link
the two people with their back to the camera in the bottom photo in that last link are trembling blue stars btw. apparently they were v excited about meeting peter saville, unsurprisingly
― lemon lime & butters (electricsound), Monday, 31 May 2010 00:21 (thirteen years ago) link
also in the bottom pic, the guy in the orange striped shirt and the bald guy in the long sleeve white button up are Vikings (johnny giles + 'emales' author alan jarvis).
― brotherlovesdub, Monday, 31 May 2010 00:30 (thirteen years ago) link
oh i thought bald guy was bobby wratten, whoops
― lemon lime & butters (electricsound), Monday, 31 May 2010 00:33 (thirteen years ago) link
doppelgängers? I suppose I'm not sure. Would be cooler if it was Bobby Wratten so let's go with that.
― brotherlovesdub, Monday, 31 May 2010 01:47 (thirteen years ago) link
Totally grooving to the "Early" comp tonight. I'm a bit forgiving with some of the lesser tracks on disc 1 but disc 2 is totally ace with some nifty dub experiments. Boy do I lurve me some post-punk dub...
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Tuesday, 5 April 2011 23:14 (thirteen years ago) link
I can't explain why but these guys kind of remind me of Captain Beyond.
― fried chicken makes Alex cry, who'd vote for such a wimpy guy? (Abbbottt), Wednesday, 26 October 2011 19:20 (twelve years ago) link
email I just received today:
Strut presents FAC. DANCE, an essential new retrospective covering the dance output of Factory Records, the seminal Manchester record label founded by Tony Wilson, Alan Erasmus and designer Peter Saville. The album turns the spotlight on some of the label's early dancefloor-based work across key 12" mixes and rarities, from the unmistakeable production style of Martin Hannett to pioneering studio work by New Order's Bernard Sumner and A Certain Ratio drummer Donald Johnson, under their BeMusic and DoJo monikers. Early Factory experiments like Blurt's avant garde mutant funk blast 'Puppeteer' rub shoulders with the fertile post-Joy Division period as the label's unique, coruscating post-punk sound took shape on extended 12" cuts from A Certain Ratio, Section 25 and more. The album also expressly documents Factory's strong links and cross-pollination with New York's 1980s club culture, as New Order joined forces with producer Arthur Baker, fresh from his pioneering electro work with Afrika Bambaataa, while Quando Quango and Marcel King enlisted NY remixer Mark Kamins for tough-edged club treatments. Factory artists including Quando Quango would also perform at some of the city's seminal nightspots, including the Paradise Garage. The compilation also touches on some of the wider dancefloor directions explored by Factory during its early years - the latin jazz funk of Swamp Children and Kalima, the cool British soul of Tony Henry's 52nd Street and a track from Factory's only overtly reggae single, the Dennis Bovell-produced 'See Them A'Come' by X-O-Dus. Within FAC. DANCE are contained the grooves that would provide the blueprint for the Manchester scene of the late '80s and Factory's heady later years - Happy Mondays, James, Northside and the rest. FAC. DANCE is compiled and annotated by Bill Brewster of djhistory.com and produced in association with Factory Records Ltd.
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 27 October 2011 04:36 (twelve years ago) link
"Do The Du" sounds kind of like "Immigrant Song." (Way worse singer, though.)
― xhuxk, Thursday, 28 March 2013 16:36 (eleven years ago) link
This is great. More of a new tune than a remix. Wish ACR would go into the studio more often.
https://soundcloud.com/barryadamsonselections/i-got-clothes-acrmcr-rework
― Jeff W, Saturday, 23 September 2017 22:02 (six years ago) link
Oh look they just did.
new:acr
http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=220&v=wrwjo2v-F3s
― Jeff W, Wednesday, 8 August 2018 19:48 (five years ago) link
try again
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrwjo2v-F3s
― Jeff W, Wednesday, 8 August 2018 19:49 (five years ago) link
also featuring Tony Wilson at the start!
acr:set incidentally is a career-spanning comp that will be released on October 12th
― Jeff W, Wednesday, 8 August 2018 19:51 (five years ago) link
acr:box to be released next month, including:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lc_7s3G_IIcFairly faithful to the original, sounds great though I wish Grace Jones would have finished her vocal take..
― willem, Thursday, 4 April 2019 14:21 (five years ago) link
Two versions as well, I wonder what the difference is?
― MaresNest, Thursday, 4 April 2019 14:35 (five years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIRGhm8KKbk
― Maresn3st, Sunday, 17 October 2021 23:51 (two years ago) link
This is surprisingly great, not familiar with their 21st century work:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vIQafS1RQE
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Wednesday, 17 November 2021 19:29 (two years ago) link