Cardiacs: Classic or Dud?

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marinecreature, Monday, 22 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

hello. im sorry but anyone who slags off cardiacs has either no understanding of something achiveing true brilliance, or is not mentally advanced enough to understand when something reaches the upmost limits of its evolution.(arent these the same thing?!whoops!!)

they change my life constantly. no one today can touch them.

to be muttered in the same breath as the smiths, dexys, detroit techno, etc etc

del a robbo, Thursday, 2 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Your music collection sucks without _Sings to God_ .

dagasque, Saturday, 4 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ahh! Wow! Cardiacs eh? The bestest band! Yum! Not always instantly likable, but if you put a litte effort in and Listen-Very-Carefully your effort will be rewarded.

The Limey Tank, Saturday, 4 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Xcept for Archive & Guns their other 12+ discs & bootlegs have kept me sane for the last 14 years.

Classic, Classic, CLASSIC

derek welch, Monday, 6 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

So are we talking the modern Van Der Graaf Generator or what?

Ned Raggett, Monday, 6 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

CLASSIC....BEYOND CLASSIC....INFACT ABSOLUTE GENIUS IN THE EXTREME, OH YES THERE CAN BE NO DOUBT IN ANYONES MIND, JUST PLEASE MAKE THEM PLAY THIS YEAR WHERE I CAN SEE THEM FOR THE FIRT TIME IN 4 YEARS. HAPPINESS AND JOY TO ALL THINGS CARDIACS. OH AND IM ALSO SAD ENOUGH TO HAVE A CARDIACS TATTOO. CHEERS PUPPIES

david sheridon, Tuesday, 7 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

with reference to the bloke with the tattoo engraved on his arm.. i am sure i have saw the sad fucker strolling about Glasgow.. oh as a matter of fact.. i know him very well, he is my boyfriend. In my opinion this is kool.. i seem to find ourselves listening to them during the strangest ritualistic love making sessions. Wont be long before we give birth to a mini cardiac.. demon or angel? CLASSIC

angeline campbell, Tuesday, 7 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

angeline....its an angeldemon darling, full of baby puppy love and dirty dogginess.....spreading happiness and joy on land and in the sea. ps..to all other cardiacs fans, you will be invited to our wedding to worship and praise all that is CLASSIC!!!!!!

david sheridon, Tuesday, 7 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Cor! Can I come! I seem to miss all the weddings... You're not the only person with a Cardiacs tattoo - Adrian Bell (Belch of Sheffield United mad hitcher fame) has one Talking of which have you seen his book called Fever hitch - It has a big picture of Tim Smith in it... heh heh heh

marinecreature, Tuesday, 7 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

everyones welcome as long we all chip in to get cardiacs to play a 3 hour set and get william d. drake to perform the ceremony.....now that would be cool. mandi apple has got the tattoo as well. has anyone got a copy of seaside treats on video, as i only have mares nest... thanks and doggy love davexx

david sheridon, Wednesday, 8 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

just out of interest are there any cardiacs fans in scotland....im curious to see what anyones got(bootlegs, press cuttings etc) or if anyone else out there can swap or sell e mail me make way for the big ship...and here she comes now god bless 'er.

david sheridon, Wednesday, 8 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Those who fail to understand the sheer brilliance of Cardiacs shouldn't be denied their opinions. But I advise them to listen again. I've had the pleasure of meeting Tim and he's just a normal bloke with brilliant ideas. And if Jim reads some of these unkind comments on this page; it'll make him cry. Would you like that?

Labrat, Thursday, 9 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

JUST BOUGHT THE GREATEST HITS ALBUM...FUCKING FANTASTIC. "DIRTY BOY" IN ALL IT'S FULLBLOWN MAJESTIC GLORY!!!!! NEW CARDIACS TRACK.."FASTER THAN SNAKES WITH A BALL AND A CHAIN", OH YES, OH YES, OH YES...BRING ON THE NEW ALBUM AND THEN WE WILL SEE WHO RULES THIS COSMIC UNIVERSE...HA HA HA HA (SCARY LAUGHTER ENSUES!!) THANKS PUPPIES

DAVID SHERIDON, Tuesday, 14 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I wonder how many of you are out there... Cardiacs are totally independant, whick means they don't have the finances to do many press ads or pay PR people... hence hardly any coverage (UK music press covers stuff they know has money for adverts behind). I'm always meeting Cardiacs fanatics who have no idea of the amount of stuff they've done recently.

There's a Rock Sounds mention this week (thanks to Sean Organ), and a couple or articles in The Organ 'zine - www.organart.com

Always check out WWW.CARDIACS.COM for info!

marinecreature, Friday, 24 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

The Consultant's website is also great. It's got a selection of their old promos in poor quality realvideo, including their performance of Tarred and Feathered on The Tube. And the Consultant's Flower Garden film off Seaside Treats, which is highly recommended viewing. "This is William D. Drake. Sometimes we call him Bill. The Consultant will never call him Bill, such is his hatred of him..."

I've had the Greatest Hits on constant play since I got it. What an album! I've only had Guns, Sing to God and the Sampler up till now, so most of the old stuff is new to me. Affectionate Friends ain't bad either.

Phil A, Monday, 27 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I WOULD JUST LIKE TO NAME AND SHAME DAREN, NATHAN,JOE,MELISSA,CHARLIE FROM STGREGORYS ANDPAUL FROM THE INTERNET ALL OF YOU ARE JELOUSE AND THICK TO BE SO CRUEL TO GARETH HE IS REALLY NICE AND YOUR JUST BEING BULLIES.YOU PEPOLE AT ST GREGORYS STOP MAKING FUN OF GARETH HES ABETTER MAN THEN YOULL EVER BE. ITHINK PEOPLE SHOULDN;T JUST LIKE GARETH FOR LOOKS.KATHRYNS YOUR NUMBER 1 FAN GARETH LOVE AIDA YOU RULE

AIDA HORSE, Tuesday, 4 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Pardon?

marinecreature, Sunday, 16 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

oh dear..oh dear..oh dear......and people think cardiacs fans are off their heads....mmmmmmmm. All hail Gareth, no i cant really see it somehow. Happiness and Joy Mr. Sheridon

david sheridon, Tuesday, 18 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

two weeks pass...
cardiacs are great- tim smith-what a songwriter these songs are the bus on a bus-listen and youll find out see-dont listen to the dont knowers who think they know but dont!sea nymphs gig a couple of years back too -one of my best gigs ever-more soon please keith

keith phillips, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Do you know that William D Drake is playing a gig at the Spitz on Monday? With Bob Leith on drums apparantly. Sounds like its going to be a bit of a Cardiacs do.

Marina organ, Friday, 5 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

two weeks pass...
CLASSIC, OBVIOUSLY. You can SORT of see how ppl wouldn't get it - they haven't evolved very far yet! but i cannot understand whoever it was saying "I quite liked" anything by Cardiacs. That's plain odd. It's a bit like saying "Eating, well I can take it or leave it."

xini

xini, Saturday, 20 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

After seeing two live concerts and listening to their albums for years, I'm still figuring out what their music is all about. Brilliant!!!! Such complex and beautifull melodic structures.

BTW if you get the chance go see Bill Drake, he has an album forthcoming, and there's a CD-single out produced by Tim Smith (Cardiacs).

A fan!

Wilco Boumans, Monday, 22 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

two months pass...
And Cardiacs are actually playing an actual gig on November 15th 2002 at the London Astoria.

Result!

Marinaorgan (Marina Organ), Saturday, 28 September 2002 23:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

three months pass...
Just heard them for the first time: from what I can tell, classic. Reminded me of XTC if they had been a prog band. Also, some remnants of Rocky Horror style theatrics. I've heard "Guns", and guess I'll work my way backwards.

dleone (dleone), Sunday, 12 January 2003 16:34 (twenty-one years ago) link

four weeks pass...
CLASSIC!!! Love em or loathe em.....this band is unique. Truely. Uninitiated should check out 'Is This The Life?' on the 'A Little Man And A House' Lp as a good introduction and go from there. Gawd knows where it may lead you. I've just dug out the 'Seaside' tape that Lee from 'Catherine in a Cupboard' did for me years ago - a forgotten gem. Nurses Whispering Verses - oh yes! TOP live band. Just hope they'll continue gigging......)))

Allen, Tuesday, 11 February 2003 09:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

two months pass...
Blimey, this thread has ressurrected itself!
You know big tall Lee... did he do you a tape of Toy World/Obvious Identity (Cardiacs tape albums from 1980-83 and earlier).

DL... If you've just heard 'Guns', wait till you hear 'A Little Man And A House And The Whole World Window'... give us an email if you have difficulty getting stuff.

Marinaorgan (Marina Organ), Wednesday, 16 April 2003 21:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

eight months pass...
This Spratley's Japs record is pretty good.

dleone (dleone), Wednesday, 24 December 2003 00:06 (twenty years ago) link

two months pass...
Love em or Loath em ??
The first time I saw Cardiacs I absolutely hated them. Thankfully It didnt last for long, and soon I was enjoying some of the best gigs I have seen in 20 years. Nothing matches the total euphoria of a Cardiacs shown, I just wish Sarah would play a bit more often.
To anyone who who isn't convinced- stick with it.

paul ashby, Saturday, 13 March 2004 12:19 (twenty years ago) link

two months pass...
Hi All....Since my last post, me and the girlfriend got married and still.....Cardiacs are Classic!!!!
Roll on November this year.
Still the greatest band on the planet, or any other,
HAPPINESS AND JOY.
Mr Sheridon

David Sheridon, Monday, 31 May 2004 08:56 (nineteen years ago) link

Whats happening in November?

mzui, Monday, 31 May 2004 09:05 (nineteen years ago) link

one month passes...
CARDIACS PLAYING NOVEMBER 12TH 2004

MR SHERIDON, Saturday, 17 July 2004 16:14 (nineteen years ago) link

four months pass...
CARDIACS are touring again for the first time in years. With THE WILDHEARTS!

08/12/04: London - Astoria
09/12/04: Manchester - MDH (Uni)
10/12/04: Glasgow - Garage
11/12/04: Sheffield - Leadmill
13/12/04: Cambridge - Junction
14/12/04: Bristol - Anson Rooms
15/12/04: Wolverhampton - Wulfrun Hall

Did anyone see them at the Astoria on 12th Nov? What happened?

everything, Monday, 22 November 2004 20:12 (nineteen years ago) link

CARDIACS are touring again for the first time in years. With THE WILDHEARTS!


Say WHAT? What a fuckin' double-bill!!!!!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 22 November 2004 20:29 (nineteen years ago) link

I saw them at the Astoria. Usual stuff really (i.e. amazing), except this time they had 4 or 5 extra singers and percussionists with them. What will the Wildhearts audience make of them?!

udu wudu (udu wudu), Monday, 22 November 2004 20:32 (nineteen years ago) link

What will the Wildhearts audience make of them?!

I expect indifference followed by swift irritation followed speedily by violence.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 22 November 2004 20:35 (nineteen years ago) link

Apparently Jon Poole is now an ex-Cardiac and is a full-time Wildheart. Dunno if that's a good or bad thing. Any opinions on their new guitarist?

everything, Monday, 22 November 2004 20:42 (nineteen years ago) link

five months pass...
When is the new record coming out?

Dominique (dleone), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 14:40 (eighteen years ago) link

I have one compilation of earlier songs - classic!

zeus, Tuesday, 10 May 2005 15:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I met Marina Organ at the VdGG gig last week!

Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 15:10 (eighteen years ago) link

I was at that gig at the Astoria. The Wildhearts fans were predictably nonplussed by the Cardiacs. It must be very strange to see such a demented support act, with its own fanbase moshing you out of the hard-won space near the front that you'd reserved for the main act. I left about 3 songs into the Wildhearts, who were quite extraordinarily terrible.

Japanese Giraffe (Japanese Giraffe), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 15:21 (eighteen years ago) link

five months pass...
two new live CDs (Garage Concerts vols I&II) are out now, and have only stuff from the earliest days of Cardiacs/Cardiac Arrest. Surprise, surprise, you can hardly tell anything has changed.

Dominique (dleone), Monday, 31 October 2005 18:34 (eighteen years ago) link

Wow. Anytime there's a new Cardiacs album it's a treat, even if it is another live one (this is the fourth innit?). It's old material, but recorded last year, right? I will be ordering this immediately.

everything, Monday, 31 October 2005 19:07 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah, recorded autumn 2003, and it really does sound great (possible post-production alert!)

Dominique (dleone), Monday, 31 October 2005 20:27 (eighteen years ago) link

one month passes...
I have been in a state of Cardiacs-induced bliss these last few days listening to Special Garage Concerts Vols 1&2. This is the wildest live recording yet. Utterly ferocious - and what a relief that there is not another version of "Is This The Life".

For you lucky bastards that live in London, Cardiacs will be playing TWO SPECIAL SECRET CONCERTS at The Bull and Gate in Kentish Town, London on the 21st and 22nd of December.

everything, Wednesday, 7 December 2005 19:36 (eighteen years ago) link

F***ing typical. The one time your musical hero happens to come and stand next to you in the pub you're too pissed to make any sense when you speak to him. Tim Smith now knows more than he ever would want to know about my troubles writing a job reference for an agoraphobic. He was very polite, though, but I now hate myself.

Take some time to appreciate the lyrical genius of the man... A song about an insect landing on a TV screen and falling in love with Lassie (who was a he-dog). A song about when you used to play with your food on the plate because it was too scary. All with random letters inserted into words ("indside") and resurrection of beautiful archaic terms like "phiz" and "foundling". And utterly no respect for the rules of metre. You could write a doctoral thesis on it.

Mark Harvey, Tuesday, 20 December 2005 03:42 (eighteen years ago) link

To realise that Tim Smith wrote songs like "As Cold as Can Be In An English Sea" at such young age is almost scary...

It shouldn't be about whether you boo or hurrah Cardiacs, by the way. Just take it as a fact that Cardiacs are a truly independent musical/lyrical universe in itself. For that is undeniable fact.

Let's fly hawks around your house :-)

Peter Sijbenga, Saturday, 31 December 2005 19:07 (eighteen years ago) link

Just found this thread for the first time because it's way down on googles' Cardiacs search. I like the way it's been taken over by the innitiated.
I got into Cardiacs by accident in 1990 (aged 13), when I found a 7" of Is This The Life in an abandoned locker at school and promptly stuffed it in my canvas ruck-sac for later listening. It was an epiphanic moment of clarity and I've been in love ever since. I can't think of a genuinely bad Cardiacs tune. They even made the Kinks' "Suzannas still alive" sound better than the original! Unfortunatley I've only seen them live seven times which is never enough. Although I have made the 700 mile round trip to the London Astoria gigs three times now (The first of which we arrived just in time for the last song).
Quite simply they're a way of life! criminally ignored but we like it that way.
Beautiful.

Greyhound, Friday, 6 January 2006 12:37 (eighteen years ago) link

Cardiacs make the most manically beautiful noise an ear could hear – no argument! I was a 15 year old Smiths fan when I first heard them - Gary Davies played ‘Is This the Life’ on his lunchtime Radio One show back in 1988 and I was mesmerised. I would place more value on one Cardiacs album than the rest of my record collection combined – don’t ask me which one though! I just find them incredibly rewarding – each record grips me regardless of how many times I hear it. There is so much to love and I feel genuinely sad for those who just don’t get it.

The Astoria gig last December was, I think, my 20th and I’m looking forward to the next 20. A new album would be nice though – Guns was SEVEN years ago! And I wonder when these promised DVDs will come out…?

One more thing - my girlfriend’s sister is one of the uninitiated and wants to hear what Cardiacs sound like – is there one song I could play her which will get them across? I was thinking ‘Fiery Gun Hand’.

Andrew Bates, Friday, 13 January 2006 10:36 (eighteen years ago) link

Buds & Spawn, oi reckon.

mzui (mzui), Friday, 13 January 2006 12:06 (eighteen years ago) link

I happened on this long podcast inerview with Jon Poole. There's some Tim and Cardiacs talk starting just after the hour mark.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_Ah_9Il9_U

Noel Emits, Tuesday, 20 July 2021 09:35 (two years ago) link

I used to see JP around now and then. I don't know him at all really, I think he recognised me from Cardiacs gigs somehow. But when he started with the mustache and bowl hat look I wouldn't recognise him. I think he came over and said alright in the pub on a couple of occasions and I was like... alright? A strange thing but this character had a good vibe, seemed like a wise friend or something. Didn't work out who it was for absolutely ages after. Sorry, Jon!

Noel Emits, Tuesday, 20 July 2021 13:48 (two years ago) link

Yes, he's a lovely chap, when I moved in similar musical circles in the late 90s, I would bump into him now and again, always very funny. A little later, he got a job in Borders Book shop on Oxford St, which was kinda weird.

Maresn3st, Tuesday, 20 July 2021 14:18 (two years ago) link

two months pass...

I know there is a surfeit of covers/interpretations on YT these days, which is great, but I love this arrangement of Bell Clinks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1hBu1F8ULk

Maresn3st, Friday, 15 October 2021 15:10 (two years ago) link

Ooh yeah that's nice.

Saw someone wearing a Cardiacs shirt in the wild for the first time last night, at a black midi show. I feel like a putz for not going up and talking to him, but he didn't compliment me on my Max Tundra shirt either, so fuck him :)

Vaguely Threatening CAPTCHAs, Friday, 15 October 2021 16:45 (two years ago) link

six months pass...

I never had particularly strong feelings about Madness (Suggs being a tv personality who was in adverts didn't help though) but hearing songs like "My Girl" recently, the things Cardiacs got from them really let me enjoy them to an extent I haven't before.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 14 May 2022 17:34 (one year ago) link

It is not a strong influence outside of the early stuff imo but fun to try and spot. Eg. The claustrophobic camera angles and general decay here are reminiscent of the Rotten Shed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rs5ao3jR7BU

everything, Saturday, 14 May 2022 19:36 (one year ago) link

one month passes...

61st anniversary of Tim Smith's birth today. Here's a nice new big article about inspirations and interpretations and stuff.
https://thequietus.com/articles/31719-tim-smith-cardiacs-strange-world

Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Sunday, 3 July 2022 16:54 (one year ago) link

That's a nice read, Sean (and Marina) did a lot of good work helping keep interest in Cardiacs going when the rest of the universe cared not one tiny bit.

Maresn3st, Sunday, 3 July 2022 17:17 (one year ago) link

I think that's a different Sean (not Sean Organ) btw. I hope this means there's still at least one good book in the works.

Noel Emits, Monday, 4 July 2022 07:33 (one year ago) link

Ahh is it? I just made the leap when he started speaking about their frendship

Maresn3st, Monday, 4 July 2022 07:40 (one year ago) link

six months pass...

It seems that Tim Quy has actually left our world, very sad. RIP

MaresNest, Thursday, 2 February 2023 16:26 (one year ago) link

That's really sad to hear, I'd heard he was in poor health. They were never as good once he left if you ask me.

all one glorious continuum, of which he was a very dear part, rip

imago, Thursday, 2 February 2023 16:56 (one year ago) link

R.I.P. the great Tim Quy, who I had the pleasure of meeting at ABC 2019.

you can see me from westbury white horse, Friday, 3 February 2023 17:56 (one year ago) link

one month passes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUclU3nUOb4

MaresNest, Thursday, 23 March 2023 13:34 (one year ago) link

three weeks pass...

Listening to Sing to God right now, my best attempt at a description is "What if Nomeansno tried to be early Genesis?"

wild band

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 17 April 2023 16:33 (eleven months ago) link

i guess they are the UK cheer accident or cheer accident is the US cardiacs?

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 17 April 2023 16:39 (eleven months ago) link

"what if poster imago's favourite album" haha, NOW YOU KNOW

imago, Monday, 17 April 2023 17:08 (eleven months ago) link

C-A a decent analogue!

imago, Monday, 17 April 2023 17:08 (eleven months ago) link

i think this is stressing my dog out

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 17 April 2023 17:29 (eleven months ago) link

laaaaasssie's

on the tvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv

imago, Monday, 17 April 2023 17:47 (eleven months ago) link

seven months pass...

Interview with Jon Poole
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbFfLpJUQYM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKSap5N2tmw

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 2 December 2023 21:48 (four months ago) link

one month passes...

lol i just knowingly listened to the cardiacs for the first time ever

mark s, Wednesday, 10 January 2024 14:42 (three months ago) link

didn't expect to be reminded of henry cow

mark s, Wednesday, 10 January 2024 14:43 (three months ago) link

Beyond the often quoted 'Salvation Army band playing carousel punk in a force ten gale' type of thing, there are a multitude of influences that suffused Tim's style - prog and ROI, new wave, traditional British and early music composers, twelve-tone music, and so on.

MaresNest, Wednesday, 10 January 2024 17:20 (three months ago) link

you love to hear it

mark s, Wednesday, 10 January 2024 17:26 (three months ago) link

welcome to the first day of the rest of your music listenerhood, or something

imago, Wednesday, 10 January 2024 17:36 (three months ago) link


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