Jean-Luc Godard: S and D

what's boring?

it actually gets way fucking worse tbh

http://landscapesuicide.blogspot.com/2010/11/everything-or-nothing-2.html

The Jews have inhabited your intellectual universe since the late sixties. Is there a certain reason for this?

When the Holocaust happened, I was 15 years old. My parents kept it a secret from me, despite belonging to the Red Cross. I only found out about it much later. Even today I still feel guilty, because I was an ignoramus between the age of 15 and 25. I am sorry I couldn’t stand up for them. Today, in my own thoughts, I would like to have a critical look at them. I am generally interested in the ‘other’. It’s the same thing with blacks. First, they were colonised, and later everyone acted as if they were just as we are. Of course, a black person can wear glasses and a watch, but this doesn’t make us the same.

In Film socialisme it is said that although Hollywood was founded by Jews, everyone is looking in the same direction. Do Jews stand for diversity?

For commerce. The big studios were founded by Jews from central Europe, especially from Germany. Why did they go to Hollywood? Because they could get access to the American financial sector. The Jews were neither authorized to be bankers or doctors, nor lawyers or professors. That’s why they concentrated on something new: cinema. The Jews also came to an arrangement with the mafia quite quickly. But if you say this, immediately you are accused of being an anti-Semite, even though this is not true. People don’t see the images — one should have a closer look at the people who founded Las Vegas.

is Jews starting Hollywood a controversial thing to say?

can't we all just get along

i founded las vegas

give me a break that's all he 's saying

The Jews also came to an arrangement with the mafia quite quickly. THE JEWS.

these quotes are appalling, im actually furious, i guess because i know so many people who'll let it slide

Why did they go to Hollywood? Because they could get access to the American financial sector.

apart from the anti-semitism and racism, he doesn't even know anything about the history of the movies

The Jews have inhabited your intellectual universe since the late sixties. Is there a certain reason for this?

haha

don't know how anti-semitic the Jews in Hollywood stuff is

are you Mediterranean?

i like feta cheese

mmm tzatziki sauce

heyo

"Of course, a black person can wear glasses and a watch, but this doesn’t make us the same."

Salient.

so I guess he's a racist/anti-semite? I'll run with whatever guys.

don't know how anti-semitic the Jews in Hollywood stuff is

― Gukbe, Tuesday, November 16, 2010 11:50 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark

it's kind of weird and inaccurate: think very few of the moguls were german. thomas ince, d w griffith -- pretty sure they were not jewish. and the segue to vegas and the mafia... is that not a bit anti-semitic? why do we need to look closely at the people who founded vegas? what's the big idea? i have no idea what he is talking about, with hollywood coming to an agreement with the mafia 'quite quickly'. so far as im aware the 'mafia' weren't much in california till hollywood was up and running. lansky and meyer weren't in vegas till the 1930s iirc.

Well I wasn't really referring to the Vegas thing, as I don't know much at all about it.

but

The founders and inventors of this "quintessential America" were almost without exception, immigrant and first-generation Jews. Within a few years of each other, Carl Laemmele built Universal; Adolf Zukor and Jesse Lasky, Paramount; Louis B. Mayer and the Schenks, Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer; and Harry Cohn, Columbia. Together with the Warner Brothers, William Fox, and Samuel Goldwyn, these Moguls, whose lives and times are richly documented in the archives of the American Jewish Historical Society, created a constellation as brilliant as any the firmament could offer.

Who were they? A remarkably similar group --Yiddish-speaking immigrants or their sons, born in grinding poverty in shtetlekh or ghettoes, to pedigree-poor families, headed more often than not by ne'er do-well fathers. The Moguls, the men who invented the majesty and mystery of Hollywood, were a rough-hewn bunch of ambitious men determined to thrust themselves into the epicenter of American life.

Also I thought it was fairly well known that the Hays code was engineered not just to allow autonomy from the government but also to head off possible anti-semitism.

By the way, I'm not at all advocating some "Jews control the media" nonsense.

The Jews were neither authorized to be bankers or doctors, nor lawyers or professors.
The Jews were neither authorized to be bankers or doctors, nor lawyers or professors.
The Jews were neither authorized to be bankers or doctors, nor lawyers or professors.

how can someone so erudite believe this? and even if his interviewer didn't know that 60% of the doctors in vienna in 1900 were jewish, they must surely recognise the above as fanciful

i can only conclude i) he just makes it up as he goes along to give his trolling a bit of spontaneity or ii) he is so deranged from empirical thought that he unknowingly invents history when he is trolling

I seem to recall the imposition of the Hays code was also to try to take autonomy away from Jewish producers, to Christianize the industry? Though I might not be remembering my film classes correctly.

Xpost: yes, the evasive "what does Semitic even mean" comment would imply trolling.

It was brought in by the Jewish moguls to make the industry seem less Jewish/more Christian.

The Jews were neither authorized to be bankers or doctors, nor lawyers or professors.

how can someone so erudite believe this? and even if his interviewer didn't know that 60% of the doctors in vienna in 1900 were jewish, they must surely recognise the above as fanciful

― nakhchivan, Wednesday, November 17, 2010 12:20 AM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark

This seems like a broad generalization, but weren't Jewish immigrants locked out of certain professions like law and medicine? I might be totally misremembering something unrelated btw.

gukbe -- yeah im aware of the provenance of the hollywood moguls. just pretty sure few if any were german. the other details ring false. sure, they were mostly jewish immigrants. and?

Why did they go to Hollywood? Because they could get access to the American financial sector.

which was, of course, centred in southern california...

guy is just a bit of an idiot

no, i mean you've probably heard of felix frankfurter, but there were quotas for 'the wrong sorts' at ivy league schools etc

Hmmmn, I'll try to look up my notes to check, since I can't verify things one way or another. I do seem to remember hearing that it was more anti-semitic in nature.

And yeah, I also seem to recall that the early Hollywood producers were less fat cats looking to break into lucrative financial positions so much as working class dudes (at least Zukor) who were taking chances with new businesses that arose with cinema and hit the jackpot when it turned out to be Cinema. But again, don't take my word on this.

which was, of course, centred in southern california...

guy is just a bit of an idiot

― rip whiney g weingarten 03/11 never forget (history mayne), Wednesday, November 17, 2010 12:33 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

Pretty soon after the cinema studios starting paying dividends Wall Street became an absolutely huge part of the industry.

why are you defending this shit? they didn't go to hollywood to "get access to the American financial sector." yes, im aware that eventually hollywood had to go to wall street for financing.

didn't they go to Hollywood because the land was cheap and the weather was nice?

Yes and according to Godard it wasn't too far from the desert sands in which they could bury their shekels.

that and colossal issue over patents iirc
xp

jews did world trade center, a movie about 9/11

I honestly don't understand what's so horribly anti-semitic about those comments. xxp

There was a little bit of 'running from Edison' in the very early days that led some away from the early New Jersey studios. xp

I honestly don't understand what's so horribly anti-semitic about those comments. xxp

Q: Do Jews stand for diversity?

A: For commerce. The big studios were founded by Jews from central Europe, especially from Germany. Why did they go to Hollywood? Because they could get access to the American financial sector. The Jews were neither authorized to be bankers or doctors, nor lawyers or professors. That’s why they concentrated on something new: cinema. The Jews also came to an arrangement with the mafia quite quickly. But if you say this, immediately you are accused of being an anti-Semite, even though this is not true. People don’t see the images — one should have a closer look at the people who founded Las Vegas.

rly dogg?

all jews were told to leave hollywood the day heaven's gate was released

ya rly xpost

I'm probably just misreading it though.

you don't see attributing criminal characteristics to an entire ethnic/religious group based on the fact that a few members of that group were infamous criminals to be offensive?

I don't see that's that what he is doing.

Again, I'm obviously just misreading this.

The Jews also came to an arrangement with the mafia quite quickly. ... one should have a closer look at the people who founded Las Vegas.

really?

The big studios were founded by Jews from central Europe, especially from Germany.

not true

Why did they go to Hollywood? Because they could get access to the American financial sector.

not true

The Jews were neither authorized to be bankers or doctors, nor lawyers or professors.

not... wait, they weren't authorized to be bankers? then how were they to get access to the American financial sector?

That’s why they concentrated on something new: cinema.

the moguls were not 18-year-old kids weighing career options. they did not choose cinema over academia/the law/banking/medicine/_____. but this is just typical godardian pseudo-smart crap, not anti-semitism.

The Jews also came to an arrangement with the mafia quite quickly.

really? not sure where he's going with this

But if you say this, immediately you are accused of being an anti-Semite, even though this is not true.

what is his point? "the jews" came to an agreement with the mafia? instead of what? did other groups in american society stand up to the mafia? or take longer doing it? or what? seems kind of like a bullshitter at work to me

People don’t see the images — one should have a closer look at the people who founded Las Vegas.

warren beatty even made a film about them... not sure, again, what he's getting at, feel kind of like he's being a lil bit anti-semitic, in context

hmm. maybe.

I really don't see him broadly talking about all Jews in that interview. Mayne, I also contend that some of your disagreements are wrong or, at least, open to other interpretations.

go on

Not arguing that there's a degree of pseudo-smart crap here, btw, I just don't think it's anti-semitic.

I think part of the thing is his inability to distinguish a small handful of Jewish guys from THE JEWS (which I should hope encompasses more than a handful of guys, most of whom aren't pursuing the American financial sector and Mafia cooperation).