Doctor Who: Classic or Dud?

Do not defile Dan's dreams.

someone I work with is married to a Dr Who writer called p4ul C0rnell.

THAT FUCKING GUY

I mean, he's written some great stories, but he's also written some AMAZINGLY AWFUL ONES that people wank themselves into a frenzy over for no discernable reason (The Shadows of Avalon, AKA "FUCKING TERRIBLE BOOK")

Also you work with someone with a fantastic last name, GG!

yes I have wondered whether it's real or a pseudonym but I only met her once so don't feel I can ask!

(she's written a couple of DW audio books herself)

Grandpoint, i thought paul had married a vicar!

er...? that some obscure reference I don't get? do you know him? his missus did do a theology masters prior to joining us, so maybe that's what you're referring to??

what happens = rose + donna + martha all appear in the same place at titanic, which either creates a paradox or the titanic sinks and all three girls die.

dr looking upset, and then looks up and sees SALLY SPARROW and dr who series becomes the best dr who series ever

oh that could be it. i met her once, she won't recall tho i bet. i knew paul a teeny bit aages ago.

my heart aches for sally sparrow and her worried pie-face

that's one pie face i wouldn't mind eating

p4ul c0rn3ll wrote Human Nature and Father's Day, two of the best ever. I have the book of Human Nature somewhere.

no mention of the Children In Need thing? was pretty forgettable.

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Very little is more enjoyable than Tennant remarking on Davison "wearing a vegetable."

UGH FATHER'S DAY IS AN IRRITATING PIECE OF SHIT

Well okay, it's not that bad, but it is pie-faced twee mooning for a good portion of the time.

Lawrence Miles >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> P4ul C0rn3ll

(agh I am turning this into RADW circa 1998)

Meh, science fiction doesn't all have to be po-faced aliens with prosthetic foreheads discussing trade tariffs for 28 years.

Although I cannot fault Lawrence Miles, if you overlook how incredibly difficult Henrietta Street is to read.

Ben Aaronovitch >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paul Cornell
Lance Parkin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paul Cornell
Kate Orman (before she started believing her press)>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paul Cornell
Dave Stone >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paul Cornell
Peter Anghelides >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paul Cornell
Jonathon Morris >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paul Cornell

(Paul Cornell >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Terrence Dicks)

(Also Paul Cornell >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dude who wrote The Pit, I can't believe I've forgotten his name)

NEIL PENSWICK

Man, the reaction that book caused! lol

Dueds Kylie Minogue's in the Crimmus santabotlien special!

Jonathan Morris >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Terry == Barry

Mark Gatiss (scripts) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mark Gatiss (that horrible book about #3)

Oh actually some stuff >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mark Gatiss (scripts)

Everyone else who ever wrote a Doctor Who book >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jon de Burgh Miller

Way to break my horizontal layout

Mark Michalowski is missing from this recent discussion.

Also let's not forget Craig Hinton.

I LOVED CRAIG HINTON

Right, there appears to be a very large number of old-skool Who episodes on Veoh and I've been meaning to do some sort of crash course in the first five Doctors for a while now. Which stories should a virtual novice make a beeline for?

(I am assuming that the C Baker/McCoy episodes are not really worth bothering with).

Genesis of the Daleks
Tomb of the Cybermen
Caves of Androzani (apparently; I've not seen it since I was 10)
Pirate Planet (also the Robert Holmes one before it (can't remember what it's called)
Inferno

Top 3 for each Doctor:

The Daleks
The Romans
The Time Meddler

Tomb Of The Cybermen
The Invasion
The War Games

Inferno
The Daemons
The Time Warrior

Genesis Of The Daleks
Terror Of The Zygons
The Seeds Of Doom
Pyramids Of Mars
The Talons Of Weng-Chiang
The Ribos Operation

Black Orchid
Resurrection Of The Daleks
The Caves Of Androzani

(4th Doctor gets twice as many because he was there twice as long. 1st and 2nd constrained by existing episodes)

That'll do nicely :)

YES THE WAR GAMES

(although note The War Games is very long)

(although note The War Games is 10 episodes of bliss)

(although note The Invasion is 8 episodes of bliss too)

For Hartnell I'd add The Ark.

(although note The War Games is 10 episodes of bliss)

O RLY? It does betray its origins as a four-to-six episoder padded up to ten, one reason why the novelisation is so much more enjoyable.

When does the new season start?

Spring. I think it was April last year.

Here's the trailer if you've not seen it. Sontarans!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXWHSg08Bv0

It's got those cthulu guys again!

The Ood.

My suggestions:

The Daleks
The Aztecs

The Mind Robber
The Invasion? (I'm in the middle of it, and it seems good)
The War Games

Inferno (or Spearhead from Space, or The Silurians)
Carnival of Monsters
The Daemons

Talons of Weng-Chiang
The Robots of Death
City of Death
The Face of Evil
Warriors Gate
The Ribos Operation
Pyramids of Mars

Haven't seen much Davison, but Caves of Androzani is great, and Enlightenment is pretty good.

Revelation of the Daleks is the only C. Baker one I've seen, and it's fun, if rather strange. The last season of McCoy is also worth watching - Curse of Fenric, Survival, and Ghost Light are all really interesting.

Carnival of Monsters is excellent, yeah. I also have a soft spot for The Three Doctors - the interaction between Troughton and Pertwee is a joy.

I need to get on the Davison, don't think I've seen any since they first aired when I was very young indeed.

wow there are so many classics i haven't seen!
i am so doing some solid hungover doctor who watching tomorrow

Have started watching the restarted series. Not bad.

Barry Letts RIP

Was a joy on the commentary tracks, Pertwee era DVDs will seem odd without his input.

Watching 'Genesis of Daleks' this afternoon...great stuff.

Still haven't got into Davison much, can anyone recommend me a couple of indispensable stories?

Black Orchid is lots of fun, and not a huge time investment at around an hour long.

Black Orchid is probably my favourite. Caves of Androzani. Black Guardian trilogy. Planet of Fire. Resurrection of the Daleks.

I'm not really much of a fan of the Wet Vet, mainly because I don't like any of his companions.