one of the things i like about his later work is how much better of a singer he is now, people don't really talk about that but he must've put some work into voice lessons or something along the line.
― EIEIoOoOO (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 2 December 2010 00:23 (thirteen years ago) link
man gbx
i was just thinking about his cover of "the world's greatest" by r.kelly at that show and how awesome it was.
― EIEIoOoOO (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 2 December 2010 00:24 (thirteen years ago) link
dude he went from being kinda terrible to being legitimately v v good.
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Thursday, 2 December 2010 00:24 (thirteen years ago) link
that was teh second set! i only made the first :-/
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Thursday, 2 December 2010 00:25 (thirteen years ago) link
also omar check your whatever
i liken his early singing talent's roughness is akin to something like Libba Cotton's, not sure how blasphemous that is or if I can get away with comparing 2 such talents to each other, but hey, no worries brah.
― i love you but i have chosen snarkness (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 2 December 2010 00:27 (thirteen years ago) link
(ie, not terrible unless you listen exclusively to broadway musicals and autotuned paedo-pop)
― i love you but i have chosen snarkness (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 2 December 2010 00:28 (thirteen years ago) link
i will not be lumped in with musical theater enthusiasts and poptimists, thank u v much
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Thursday, 2 December 2010 00:29 (thirteen years ago) link
gonna DL these as soon as i get home, thx homes
― omar little, Thursday, 2 December 2010 00:30 (thirteen years ago) link
more comin
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Thursday, 2 December 2010 00:30 (thirteen years ago) link
ok mississippi, i just listened to the world's greatest again and it's awesome
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Thursday, 2 December 2010 04:41 (thirteen years ago) link
With Dylan, you need an annotated bibliography. Scholars can hold annual symposiums on single verses.
cool thx dad
― circa1916, Thursday, 2 December 2010 09:30 (thirteen years ago) link
if anybody wd be cool enough to slip me an ILXmessage too I would dance with glee? but no worries if it's a chore
― absinthe of malithe (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 2 December 2010 09:41 (thirteen years ago) link
I was an die hard Oldham fan from the first 7" up through I See a Darkness. I had EVERYTHING SEVERAL THINGS. I don't know what happened but after I See a Darkness (which I thought was his best!), he just fell off my radar.
― scott pgwp (pgwp), Saturday, October 2, 2010 9:42 PM (1 month ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
adjusted
― phish in your sleazebag (contenderizer), Thursday, 2 December 2010 09:42 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCen9gOTmD4
aslo he sings on this, which is rad and of instructional value regarding bears (dangers of)
― phish in your sleazebag (contenderizer), Thursday, 2 December 2010 09:43 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kG2PL2zO034
― buzza, Thursday, 2 December 2010 09:46 (thirteen years ago) link
I still think Superwolf is amazing, I feel like I listen to it far more than I See a Darkness.
― clotpoll, Thursday, 2 December 2010 09:53 (thirteen years ago) link
I can't listen to I See a Darkness much nowadays, I know the layer of joeks is there but it's too close to home plus a bit dirgy imo, wd far rather play Ease On from that era.
― absinthe of malithe (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 2 December 2010 09:56 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmDbO4zgzvE
― buzza, Thursday, 2 December 2010 10:00 (thirteen years ago) link
attn NV
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Thursday, 2 December 2010 14:39 (thirteen years ago) link
thx :D
― absinthe of malithe (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 2 December 2010 14:52 (thirteen years ago) link
i really liked lie down in the light
superwolf might be my overall fav thing he's done
― EIEIoOoOO (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 2 December 2010 17:55 (thirteen years ago) link
superwolf def has some of my all time favorite tracks on it, for sure
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Thursday, 2 December 2010 17:56 (thirteen years ago) link
thx for sending those tunes over, gbx. no worries on the rest of it *`~unless you have a moment to spare someday~*
― omar little, Thursday, 2 December 2010 17:58 (thirteen years ago) link
first palace bros singles/rarities comp (lost blues) works for me as his most solid work.
― i love you but i have chosen snarkness (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 2 December 2010 18:00 (thirteen years ago) link
beck comparison is a good one
I think these two guys were at about the same point musically circa '93 and Beck may have even bit Oldham a bit.
― Two and a Half Muffins (Eazy), Thursday, 2 December 2010 18:02 (thirteen years ago) link
also, have always admired how willing and able he is to continuously reformat and reimagine his old stuff. i've only seen him live twice (Walker last year, Boston...seven years ago?), but those shows and the live albums are seriously impressive imo. like, when i saw him in boston (@middle east), it was on the heels of Master And Everyone, so i went in expecting a pretty hushed affair. instead, he came out in eyeliner, and blazed thru the whole album, in order, front to back, wild and electric. lyrics and basic tunes aside, it was a complete transformation, and completely awesome. then he played old shit by request, all of it different from the 'originals.'
i honestly can't think of many other contemporary artists (instrumentalists aside) that play it so fast and loose with their stuff.
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Thursday, 2 December 2010 18:03 (thirteen years ago) link
cf the lol strokes concert i went to a few months later which was mechanically faithful to the album. it was like someone hit shuffle on itunes.
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Thursday, 2 December 2010 18:05 (thirteen years ago) link
and n/p omar, i'll see about getting the second set up later today.
gbx hook me up?
― caek, Thursday, 2 December 2010 18:18 (thirteen years ago) link
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Thursday, December 2, 2010 12:03 PM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
dylan is the only one i can think of
― EIEIoOoOO (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 2 December 2010 18:25 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, that's who i was thinking of, too. was trying, and failing, to think of anyone else.
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Thursday, 2 December 2010 18:33 (thirteen years ago) link
Prince (live at least)
― goat, camel, horse, and water buffalo (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 2 December 2010 18:36 (thirteen years ago) link
really? prince did pretty standard version, like a little more jammed out but still basically the song, the 2 times i saw him
― EIEIoOoOO (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 2 December 2010 18:38 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean, last time i saw dylan it took me 2 verses to figure out he was doing "tangled up in blue" fer chrissakes
Neil Young, maybe?
― Neil S, Thursday, 2 December 2010 18:43 (thirteen years ago) link
actually the correct answer is prob any number of jazz artists
― EIEIoOoOO (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 2 December 2010 18:44 (thirteen years ago) link
instrumentalists aside
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Thursday, 2 December 2010 18:49 (thirteen years ago) link
I haven't seen Prince in 10 years but afaict usually he is really flippant/goofy with his old material, shoving everything into a medley, dropping verses/choruses, instrumentation is usually totally different, etc. - I guess yeah they are just more jammy. which is kinda required by the fact that most of his stuff was not recorded live with a band to begin with.
― goat, camel, horse, and water buffalo (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 2 December 2010 18:51 (thirteen years ago) link
I bring him up because the end result doesn't really bear TOO much resemblance to the recorded versions, even tho they are still identifiable
― goat, camel, horse, and water buffalo (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 2 December 2010 18:52 (thirteen years ago) link
like it or not, ever jam band ever (the Dead being the most obvious example)
― If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Thursday, 2 December 2010 19:30 (thirteen years ago) link
if anybody wd be cool enough to slip me an ILXmessage too I would dance with glee? but no worries if it's a choreme too!
― tylerw, Thursday, 2 December 2010 19:37 (thirteen years ago) link
got u tylerw
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Thursday, 2 December 2010 19:44 (thirteen years ago) link
like it or not, ever jam band ever (the Dead being the most obvious example)― If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Thursday, December 2, 2010 1:30 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark
― If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Thursday, December 2, 2010 1:30 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark
jamming doesn't count imo. stretching out and elaborating is one thing, but oldham takes whisper-soft strummy beardo songs and overhauls them into shreddy electro rave-ups. like, they are occasionally unrecognizable. also, at least from what i've heard, the Dead/whoever still hang all their improv on a basic song structure, like the head of a jazz tune, you know? each iteration of a tune might be completely different, and you may not recognize it if you walk in in the middle, but eventually they'll circle back.
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Thursday, 2 December 2010 19:48 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean, Greatest Palace Music is sort of a singular artifact, as far as i can tell.
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Thursday, 2 December 2010 19:50 (thirteen years ago) link
Boy, there's a caveat for everyone else, huh? Oh, right, except, umm, Bob Dylan.
― If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Thursday, 2 December 2010 19:57 (thirteen years ago) link
w/e
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Thursday, 2 December 2010 19:58 (thirteen years ago) link
and yeah, except for bob dylan, because he does the same thing. jam bands ~don't~. jazz dudes DO, but they're playing jazz, and that's sorta the point sometimes. but in the realm of rock and roll or w/e, i can't think of anyone that reinvents their back catalogue as frequently and as often as oldham.
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Thursday, 2 December 2010 20:01 (thirteen years ago) link
i think with jam bands like the dead, it's about extending songs, exploring them in a more expansive manner, not necessarily really changing the actual skeleton of the song. with someone like dylan, he often really reimagines the songs. there was a version of girl from north country few years back that, to my ears, had a completely different chord structure than the original (sounded like friend of the devil, actually). don't know if oldham falls into this camp -- i'm not an obsessive fan, but it is pretty rare.
― tylerw, Thursday, 2 December 2010 20:07 (thirteen years ago) link
if the song is entirely re-structured, including chords, what makes it the same song? that the dude remembered to repeat a refrain every so often?
I mean, P-funk does that in their own peculiar jam-bandy way when they play live. They hit a groove and then George recites as many choruses from various songs as he can think of, for ex.
― goat, camel, horse, and water buffalo (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 2 December 2010 20:10 (thirteen years ago) link