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OK, a Restore has fixed it.

Alba, Tuesday, 8 July 2008 00:42 (fifteen years ago) link

Dell LCDs use the same LCDs at Apple ones but are half the price. This is out of date, but you get the idea: http://www.anandtech.com/displays/showdoc.aspx?i=2400

http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/products/Monitors/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=bsd&cs=04&sku=320-6272 is effectively a 24" Apple Cinema in a different case. I have one on my desk at work. It is rad.

Dell also do budget displays, which I've never used. e.g. http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/products/Monitors/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=bsd&cs=04&sku=320-6095

caek, Tuesday, 8 July 2008 00:43 (fifteen years ago) link

Dell uses different chips and different quality control, though, so the end product isn't really that similar to the Apple displays.

Apple's displays were pretty inconsistent for a while. A local publishing company dumped a bunch of them and ended up switching brands.

mh, Tuesday, 8 July 2008 03:42 (fifteen years ago) link

I'm baffled why they haven't updated the ACDs in so long. Do they expect Mac Pro buyers to just go along with it?

Nhex, Tuesday, 8 July 2008 04:05 (fifteen years ago) link

"did an infinite beachball with no way out but a power reset."

Happening to me a bit. "I'm a Mac I'm a PC" my fucking arse.

Seems to be the Transmission application that's causing it.

S-, Tuesday, 8 July 2008 06:16 (fifteen years ago) link

don't steal things then

DG, Tuesday, 8 July 2008 09:09 (fifteen years ago) link

I'm not too worried about my computer being stolen at work - I have my own office and never leave it unlocked.

So, it turns out there might be other options. There's an old G5 in my office, but it seems to be a good one - 2x2GHz CPUs, and 1.5Gb memory. Apparently we could put another 2Gb of memory in and try running Leopard, and the guess is that it should be as fast as a basic Intel machine - does this seem right? I have no experience of pre-Intel machines at all. Then I'd just need a big display - although again I have a 23" display here, and the 30" one is $1800, which seems somewhat insane. How do 2 23" displays side by side work in practice?

Another option being suggested is a 24" iMac, but at $1800 that doesn't seem like such a good plan if I can get this G5 to run well enough.

toby, Tuesday, 8 July 2008 13:11 (fifteen years ago) link

That G5 will be plenty good enough for your needs. The only worry is being orphaned by software developers. Check that the software you need is still available for Power PC. Apple have committed to PPC for at least one more version of OSX.

Leopard would be fine on that and the more RAM the merrier.

(PS are you still on the same email address?)

Ed, Tuesday, 8 July 2008 13:15 (fifteen years ago) link

Apple have committed to PPC for at least one more version of OSX

rly? hmm.

grimly fiendish, Tuesday, 8 July 2008 13:18 (fifteen years ago) link

am forget my password of mac,did you give me password on new email marko.(redact✧✧✧@ya✧✧✧.c✧✧
http://blog.karppinen.fi/2008/07/apple-just-gave-out-my-apple-i.html

stet, Tuesday, 8 July 2008 13:24 (fifteen years ago) link

toby, go for the 24" dell that caek linked, they really are rad. do you really need 30"? that's quite a lot of screen

I think that with anything above 24" you'll have to crane to see the sides

czn, Tuesday, 8 July 2008 13:25 (fifteen years ago) link

Apple have committed to PPC for at least one more version of OSX.

Where did you hear that?

caek, Tuesday, 8 July 2008 13:27 (fifteen years ago) link

I find 30" is good for video work which you can afford to sit back from, but it's probably not necessary or even desirable for print work.

caek, Tuesday, 8 July 2008 13:28 (fifteen years ago) link

What is good for beautifully crafting hard equations?

Ed, Tuesday, 8 July 2008 13:30 (fifteen years ago) link

latex

stet, Tuesday, 8 July 2008 13:31 (fifteen years ago) link

I think it's still up in the air: http://gizmodo.com/5014251/source-os-x-106-snow-leopard-will-support-powerpc-chips

God knows why though.

xp, an installation of MacTex and either http://www.esm.psu.edu/mac-tex/EquationService/ or http://evolve.lse.ac.uk/software/EquationEditor/

caek, Tuesday, 8 July 2008 13:33 (fifteen years ago) link

I know latex but how much screen real estate?

Ed, Tuesday, 8 July 2008 13:34 (fifteen years ago) link

that EquationService looks v. nice xp

stet, Tuesday, 8 July 2008 13:34 (fifteen years ago) link

Oh, I see. You really want 1920x1200 so you can fit the editor and PDF preview on the same screen and have the PDF big enough that you don't have to zoom to examine typographic weirdness.

My desktop for TeX:
http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/6232/picture2aw7.png

caek, Tuesday, 8 July 2008 13:48 (fifteen years ago) link

Is what I thought. so 24" minimum. 30" if you want to win the wang contest and maybe have a window of something else.

Ed, Tuesday, 8 July 2008 13:50 (fifteen years ago) link

Yes. There are a couple of 30" displays around the dept., but the people who succeed in making a case for spending your tax dollars on them are doing serious simulation work which they claim means they need a massive display to view the huge images. Most people get a 24" iMac or a 24" Dell 2407 if they use their own machine.

I actually wrote the first twenty pages of that paper on a MacBook using VirtueDesktops (pre-Leopard Spaces). That was a drag.

caek, Tuesday, 8 July 2008 13:52 (fifteen years ago) link

By serious simulation work I mean things like examining the output of http://www.mpa-garching.mpg.de/galform/millennium/ (although that isn't an Oxford project). It does look very cool on a 30" display.

caek, Tuesday, 8 July 2008 13:54 (fifteen years ago) link

macbook driving a dell 2407wfp => there's your extra screen

czn, Tuesday, 8 July 2008 14:03 (fifteen years ago) link

That is what I do. itunes and a terminal running mutt down on the MacBook.

caek, Tuesday, 8 July 2008 14:05 (fifteen years ago) link

And me. Although the MacBook screen is appallingly shit.

stet, Tuesday, 8 July 2008 15:00 (fifteen years ago) link

24" is OK, but it's better if you have 2 of them.

libcrypt, Tuesday, 8 July 2008 15:09 (fifteen years ago) link

would they stretch to this?

http://nastyhobbit.files.wordpress.com/2005/10/multi-monitors.jpg

czn, Tuesday, 8 July 2008 15:14 (fifteen years ago) link

probably not, i'm guessing.

i think i'm probably not going to notice much difference between a 23 inch and 24 inch display, at a guess. maybe i could get an extra 24 inch and run both.

ed - yep, same email addresses as ever.

toby, Tuesday, 8 July 2008 18:49 (fifteen years ago) link

I think the Apple 23" panel is the same panel that is in the Dell 24" and the true dimension is somewhere in between. It is the pixel count that matters and I think 1920x 1200 is what you want.

Ed, Tuesday, 8 July 2008 18:52 (fifteen years ago) link

We have to run InDesign off 20" screens at work. It's an abuse of human rights.

Alba, Tuesday, 8 July 2008 18:53 (fifteen years ago) link

We also have some Dell 24" at work, and the refresh on them is some ghostly messy shit. I don't know if they're the same ones linked above, tho.

stet, Tuesday, 8 July 2008 19:11 (fifteen years ago) link

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/8141/desktopln2.png

libcrypt, Tuesday, 8 July 2008 19:14 (fifteen years ago) link

We have to run InDesign off 20" screens at work. It's an abuse of human rights

i turned mine on its side. for broadsheet work, it's pretty neat.

grimly fiendish, Tuesday, 8 July 2008 19:54 (fifteen years ago) link

we got in an apple and a dell and some eizo panel to compare, and we went with the eizo. the dell's were a bit variable. there was little between the apple and the eizo except the eizo was a bit more configurable (movable height stand!!!11) and our colour calibration guy seemed to like it enough to justify the 40 quid extra

Alan, Tuesday, 8 July 2008 20:26 (fifteen years ago) link

. for broadsheet work, it's pretty neat.

For tabloid work, it's not.

Well, for single pages it's OK. I did it once. But I deal with too many spreads.

Alba, Tuesday, 8 July 2008 22:34 (fifteen years ago) link

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3263/2509741368_147e74c18b.jpg?v=0

now with everything in zenburn

Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Wednesday, 9 July 2008 16:18 (fifteen years ago) link

So, now that I have a machine in my office as well, is there a good way of keeping ical and address book in sync between multiple machines without paying for mobileme?

toby, Thursday, 17 July 2008 16:34 (fifteen years ago) link

Fuck Apple for having shit inventory and a HORRIBLE system for buying iPhone 3G.

Fuck you, Apple.

Dandy Don Weiner, Thursday, 17 July 2008 16:36 (fifteen years ago) link

Toby, there are ways of doing it through google calendar but the best os x tool for doing it is paid for but I forget its name.

Ed, Thursday, 17 July 2008 16:48 (fifteen years ago) link

new i phone, new suit - quite the spending spree you're kicking off here, Don!

xpost

The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Thursday, 17 July 2008 16:50 (fifteen years ago) link

Dandy Don! Long time.

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 17 July 2008 16:58 (fifteen years ago) link

Fuck Apple for having shit inventory and a HORRIBLE system for buying iPhone 3G.

Fuck you, Apple.

-- Dandy Don Weiner, Friday, 18 July 2008 02:36 (15 hours ago) Bookmark Link

Five days. Apple can suck my nuts.

Autumn Almanac, Friday, 18 July 2008 07:51 (fifteen years ago) link

toby I think maybe busysync will help you but it's $25

http://www.busymac.com/

czn, Friday, 18 July 2008 08:04 (fifteen years ago) link

did os9 have a web browser or would i have to download one seperately (on another computer obv)

DG, Friday, 18 July 2008 09:18 (fifteen years ago) link

There was IE, mozilla, Netscape, Opera and Cyberdog might still run on it.

Ed, Friday, 18 July 2008 09:23 (fifteen years ago) link

but there's not one built in? what did people do in the old days?

DG, Friday, 18 July 2008 09:24 (fifteen years ago) link

so pretty; I love kate moross

http://www.flickr.com/photos/katemo/2677813099/

czn, Friday, 18 July 2008 10:18 (fifteen years ago) link


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