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I blame Age of Innocence!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 19 August 2004 14:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Name ONE jungle tune which sampled dialogue from that!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 19 August 2004 14:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Donald Sutherland's best performance - Kelly's Heroes.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Thursday, 19 August 2004 14:54 (nineteen years ago) link

I like "Casino" a lot...if one can say "the ultimate Sharon Stone" role with a straight face, then say it...and I think De Niro is really, really good in "Casino" as well.

"Goodfellas" is a great movie about food...the mob stuff always seemed somewhat seconday. Paulie shaves the garlic with a razor blade, they had to cook the steaks in a pan, he used too much garlic in the sauce but it was still a good sauce. But yeah, as noted above, the problem with "Goodfellas" is Henry Hill. I think Liotta does a fine job--it's the basic idea. HH's supposed to be a kind of innocent here?

I also like "After Hours" fine, not a great Scorcese film but a good New York movie (which of course all Scorcese films are). Still, Scorcese has never topped "Mean Streets." "Raging Bull" is to me wayyyy overrated. "Gangs of New York" really sucked except for Day-Lewis, bad film of great book. "Taxi Driver" seems somewhat dated '70s film to me...I like the music, though, and it's certainly got its merits. The rest of Scorcese I pretty much dismiss. To me it's all about "Mean Streets," "GFs" and "Casino."

And I love Sutherland and the remake of "Invasion of Body Snatchers." One of the great yuppie-fear movies ever.

― eddie hurt (ddduncan), Thursday, 19 August 2004 14:55 (nineteen years ago) link

HH's supposed to be a kind of innocent here?

No, he's supposed to be a criminal. He is, in fact, someone who's very passionate about being a criminal. You can have as much sympathy for that as you choose, but either way, his punishment is poetic.

― Harold Media (kenan), Thursday, 19 August 2004 14:58 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah he's a really ambiguous character, i don't see what people are having trouble with here

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 19 August 2004 15:01 (nineteen years ago) link

perhaps we should familiarize ourselves with the concept of the "anti-hero"

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 19 August 2004 15:01 (nineteen years ago) link

you don't need to identify with him to think it's a great performance. he's not an innocent: but he's not a major player like pacino in scarface.

― ENRG (Enrique), Thursday, 19 August 2004 15:04 (nineteen years ago) link

i think the key to enjoying goodfellas is never talking about it with film geeks ever.

― amateur!!!st, Thursday, 19 August 2004 15:10 (nineteen years ago) link

the key to enjoying most things is similar.

― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 19 August 2004 15:11 (nineteen years ago) link

the key is to just watch that scene where deniro is smoking at the bar and "sunshine of your love" is playing over and over again

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 19 August 2004 15:11 (nineteen years ago) link

duh nuh nuh nuh nuh nuh nuh

― amateur!!!st, Thursday, 19 August 2004 15:12 (nineteen years ago) link

Ally wtf?! STING is in Dune ergo it is NOT good! Excellent camp value though, to be fair.

― Jimmybommy JimmyK'KANG (Nick Southall), Thursday, 19 August 2004 15:12 (nineteen years ago) link

do we really need ANOTHER rock album?

Depends on who by.

Once again....."Goodfellas" is a great, great movie, but it's the genre itself (mob/gangster movies) that's so damn tired.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 19 August 2004 15:16 (nineteen years ago) link

i think the key to enjoying goodfellas is never talking about it with film geeks ever.

I'm breaking your rule just by asking this, but what do you mean? Seems like it'll stand up to scrutiny as well as anything.

― Harold Media (kenan), Thursday, 19 August 2004 15:16 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah but alex but but but

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 19 August 2004 15:17 (nineteen years ago) link

Rock album !!!= gangster movie, wtf?!

― Jimmybommy JimmyK'KANG (Nick Southall), Thursday, 19 August 2004 15:17 (nineteen years ago) link

CAMP?

― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 19 August 2004 15:17 (nineteen years ago) link

sure, it's just that you get caught in a neverending "omg it's the best film ever!"/"no it sucks" debate, where there appears to be no middle ground.

― amateur!!!st, Thursday, 19 August 2004 15:17 (nineteen years ago) link

that was to kenan

― amateur!!!st, Thursday, 19 August 2004 15:18 (nineteen years ago) link

have any of you people even SEEN Mean Streets? I can't believe nobody feels an urge to discuss that one.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 19 August 2004 15:18 (nineteen years ago) link

i still think he should've called mean streets season of the witch

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 19 August 2004 15:18 (nineteen years ago) link

you mook

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 19 August 2004 15:19 (nineteen years ago) link

that was to jimmybommy.

― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 19 August 2004 15:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Henry Hill is neither an innocent nor a monster - he's just this kind of mediocre gangster, an anti-hero as s1ocki points out, who after all the ultra-violence and glamor and drugs ends up as just this boring middle-class shlub in the 'burbs, which is probably the life he was best suited for all along.

― o. nate (onate), Thursday, 19 August 2004 15:20 (nineteen years ago) link

that was to anthony.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 19 August 2004 15:20 (nineteen years ago) link

I've seen "Mean Streets". It's not bad, but I think that "GoodFellas" improves on it in just about every way possible.

― o. nate (onate), Thursday, 19 August 2004 15:21 (nineteen years ago) link

Dune is camp as fuck, man! I'm not sure I have ever seen a more camp film! Kyle Machlachlanachlanchlanan plays a prince who's into condiments and STING is his fucking dad or something and it's directed by David Fucking Lynch and there's a giant worm thing and jesus HAVE YOU SEEN IT HAVE YOU SEEN THEIR CLOTHES???!!!

― Jimmybommy JimmyK'KANG (Nick Southall), Thursday, 19 August 2004 15:21 (nineteen years ago) link

sure, it's just that you get caught in a neverending "omg it's the best film ever!"/"no it sucks" debate, where there appears to be no middle ground.

Ah ha. I guess I don't hang around geeky enough geeks -- I don't know anyone who thinks it sucks (for any halfway coherent reason, anyway).

― Harold Media (kenan), Thursday, 19 August 2004 15:21 (nineteen years ago) link

HH isn't supposed to be a sympathetic character, he's just someone with an interesting story...He's a complete asshole, and an idiot, though, and did a lot of his work with people like him, dudes who didn't know the meaning of keeping a low profile. In no way portrayed as an innocent--he openly states his only goal in life ever was to become a criminal. (xpost someone else just said this)

And yeah, King of Comedy is fucking great! I think its one of my favorite ever performances by DeNiro.

― Allyzay Science Explosion (allyzay), Thursday, 19 August 2004 15:22 (nineteen years ago) link

you know, I was kind of kidding, the first time I called you a fanny.

you really are a fanny.

this is to jimmybommy.

― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 19 August 2004 15:23 (nineteen years ago) link

I've seen "Mean Streets". It's not bad, but I think that "GoodFellas" improves on it in just about every way possible.

talk to the hand, cuz Anthony ain't listenin' no more.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 19 August 2004 15:23 (nineteen years ago) link

i don't think they're the same kind of movie

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 19 August 2004 15:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Arsed.

― Jimmybommy JimmyK'KANG (Nick Southall), Thursday, 19 August 2004 15:24 (nineteen years ago) link

just cuz harvey keitel isn't in GoodFellas?

― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 19 August 2004 15:25 (nineteen years ago) link

exactly, yes.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 19 August 2004 15:26 (nineteen years ago) link

mean streets is a harvey keitel movie and goodfellas is not, thus there is absolutely no basis for comparison

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 19 August 2004 15:26 (nineteen years ago) link

also in general people have just talked abt this film too much, and very rarely is anything new said about it. for something somewhat new see the scorsese chapter in gilberto perez's the material ghost.

mean streets has some great moments, but a lot of it is kind of arrhythmic (not in a good way), the thematic material is presented kind of clumsily, and certain scenes really suffer from piss-poor post-synch sound.

― amateur!!!st, Thursday, 19 August 2004 15:26 (nineteen years ago) link

One time a group of us went to go see Raging Bull in the Film Forum and the conversation the rest of the day was just like this:

Person A: (something completely innocuous about, like, pickles here)
Person B: What? You fuck my wife?!?!?!

it wasn't as funny the next day.

― Allyzay Science Explosion (allyzay), Thursday, 19 August 2004 15:27 (nineteen years ago) link

the opening shots, with the "be my baby"-scored jump cut, are some kind of formal breakthrough though.

― amateur!!!st, Thursday, 19 August 2004 15:27 (nineteen years ago) link

actually, I think that's pretty great, Ally. But I'm kind of used to quoting movies with friends for years.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 19 August 2004 15:29 (nineteen years ago) link

for some reason my friends and i are always re-enacting the "i got some nice new dresses for you" scene, i find it endlessly amusing

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 19 August 2004 15:29 (nineteen years ago) link

someone do the "funny how?", quick.

― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 19 August 2004 15:30 (nineteen years ago) link

I think I did the "funny how?" on that how well do you take compliments thread.

the "she's a tiger" and "take her for ice cream" scenes in Scarface have been referenced plenty any time I've been to a bar recently.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 19 August 2004 15:32 (nineteen years ago) link

RJG, YOU FUCK MY WIFE?@!?!?!

― Allyzay Science Explosion (allyzay), Thursday, 19 August 2004 15:33 (nineteen years ago) link

fuck how? like I was a clown?

― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 19 August 2004 15:33 (nineteen years ago) link

i saw 5 minutes of "scarface" the other night while waiting for a video to rewind, which is as much as i've ever seen of it. what a strange film (if i saw a representative 5 minutes).

― amateur!!!st, Thursday, 19 August 2004 15:33 (nineteen years ago) link

what did you see?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 19 August 2004 15:34 (nineteen years ago) link

I have never understood what's good about Pacino's Scarface.

― Harold Media (kenan), Thursday, 19 August 2004 15:35 (nineteen years ago) link

what did you see?
-- s1ocki (slytus...), August 19th, 2004.

a few close-ups of al pacino with cake makeup, driving a car, talking in a funny accent, then he visits his mother and sister an continues talking in a funny accent but with fewer close-ups.

― amateur!!!st, Thursday, 19 August 2004 15:36 (nineteen years ago) link

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