chicago juke: dj nate, dj rashad [R.I.P. 2014], leatherface aka kaptain cadillac, dj roc &c &c

btw footcrab and dumbshit become 10 times more impressive if you play them pitched up.

anyone know if mike p was into juke pre-footcrab

pretty certain he was yeah - I don't think he discovered it for himself in any especially privileged way (ie fanboy on the internet) but I seem to recall reading that he's been bugging out on footwork for the best part of a couple of years maybe. I mean if you try and think how long it actually takes to put something like the Nate album together, from first point of contact (NB one of Mike's colleagues described Nate as "a nightmare" to work with lol), I'd assume it was in the works since before the start of this year... could be wrong tho

Yeah here we go http://blog.bleep.com/2010/08/12/mike-paradinas-introduces-juke-house/

that mix thats linked on that page is seriously good. one of the best ive heard actually.

in the comments someone says theres some european juke djs/producers called nightmare juke squad. sounds like horrorcore. though id rather hear some european guys take juke into more of a gabba type direction than dubstep producers remoulding it into the (somewhat boring) dubstep aesthetic.

joy orbison is a much more annoying name than ramadanman imo

they should both have 'lol!' at the end of their names

i thought juke was a regional hip-hop subgenre when "watch my feet" came out (à la hyphy or jerk or whatever) - even keke palmer had a footworking song on her album! i didn't realise until last year that it was more of a club genre that isn't particularly mc-based.

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juke isnt really a club genre as much as it is a genre for kids under 21 who cant get into club, fyi

& yes i was just doing the lol dubstep = idm thing

also whiney's wrong that 'no one listens to dubstep,' of course, but thats exactly the problem

this tarring of all the different strands of dubstep with the same boring brush is a bigger problem

shame its only dubstep guys that seem to have picked up on this - would much rather hear grime producers respond to juke.

Real talk.

dubstep isn't IDM, it's trip hop for the 10s

lol i thought that was disco edits

another uk version of juke (and it's 160 bpm...those ramadanman tracks talked about up thread slow it down to 130ish): http://oomk.tumblr.com/post/2190370393/zomby-digital-rain-we-want-moah

i'm totally unsurprised that dubstep producers would gravitate towards this stuff. beat-wise, there are more similarities than differences...the syncopation/sense of clave in the drums, high bpm with half-time backbeats, etc.

close, deej. disco edits are the big beat of the 10s.

dubstep isn't IDM, it's trip hop for the 10s

maybe, but trip hop for the 10s >>>> trip hop for the 90s

trip-hop was awesome and "trip-hop for the 10s" is nothing but a positive

yes and no

prefer trip hop from the 90s -- at least tried to sound vaguely sexxy

exception: that jamie woon track (original version) is still my shit

of interest to people into that jamie woon track: creep ft. romy madley croft (from the xx) - days

sexiest dubstep track was flylo + thom yorke

the thing abt the jamie woon track of course is that it doesnt sound like dubstep at all

nor does james blake, mt kimbie, etc etc

dubsteps a lot of different things. some of it's the trip hop of the 10s, some of it is the drum n bass, some of it the electro and some of it the detroit techno.

^

(that jamie woon track is basically 'burial doing pop/house' to me)

"dubstep" as a single central thing pretty much doesn't exist as it did 4-5 years ago, and there are a bunch of rather interesting reasons for that - but anyway, saying "[x] sounds like dubstep" in 2010 doesn't really tell me much about what that thing sounds like.

indeed non-londoners cottoning on to dubstep in 2010 could be compared to non-chicagoans cottoning on to juke in 2010

dubstep iirc basically describes any awkward stilted song w jabbing bass frequencies that stoners listen to. the clumsier the rhythm the more 'dubstep influence'

can we consider my trolling here 'argument trolling' & not 'personal beef' trolling? just fyi

disprove me of my stereotypes

deej i'm guessing you don't like the whole flylo/brainfeeder beat scene either?

i am familiar with dubstep stoner listener stereotypes, we've had them here for years. they're lame. tarring every kind of music that's vaguely linked to the genre with that brush is just inaccurate though.

the gist of my post was the slow, uncomfortable rhythmic aspects. it's anti-house, that way, mad masculine. i think hip hop production has done a better job of bringing together (& often playing off) masculine & feminine, this stuff always feels weighted on the male side of that equation

ignore the stoner stereotype for a moment & just throw me some traxx that are dubstep-qua-dubstep, but dont strike you as stereotypically clumsy, rhythmically

sorry if this is remedial ilx shit -- we can bypass this if its been done before.
i also wont be able to check youtubes etc til i get home from work

"dubstep qua dubstep" - do you mean dubstep from back in the day (which i'm not an expert on and only have a vague liking for) or, like, various iterations of it now?

ARE YOU A TRIPSTER?!?!?! OMG WTF LOL

just throw me some traxx that are dubstep-qua-dubstep, but dont strike you as stereotypically clumsy, rhythmically

Pinch - Qawwali
Mala - Left Leg Out
Toasty - Splash
Mala - Change / Forgive
the Silkie album
Monkeysteak - Lighthouse Dub (Pinch Remix)

Although maybe none of these are exactly dubstep-qua-dubstep, which if interpreted narrowly basically means the space between Benga, Leofah, Distance and Skream.

by "clumsy" i don't know if you mean the unquantized thing or the big-beat heaviness of some dubstep shit (which i hate).

but 'cmyk' is pretty straightforward rhythmically and not overly dude-ish:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQoQirZwxE4

and i could see this working on a dancefloor here, maybe:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0phGzrcTEE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDuznqhS6tQ

i think you can call a (relatively) old mala track and/or one of the first tracks pinch every produced "dubstep-qua-dubstep".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VrEkkI-y0w

^^ feminine pressure

pretty sure that 2562 track will read as very 'clumsy' to deej

dubstep from a few years back -

geiom ft. marita - reminissin'
pangaea - router
mr lager ft. alys be - tell me
mala - alicia
benga - e trips
benga & coki - night

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBp0EyMhCwE

wait but this is a FOOTWORK thread

i am throwing out dubstep tracks that sound not rhythmically masculine, and if we're reading "masculine" as "not deep house" then at least no more masculine than footwork!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRnYY-sn1Rw

that's not a typo

rhythmically complex but NOT rhythmically masculine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3epmUGyBUf8

okay that's a bit masculine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nK-sN_DDfk

ok pretty much disqualifies itself