she is as "fleshed out" as she need be for now and i really liked her interplay with the Doctor (inc the sex not love thing) and if she ends up saving the universe without his direct help at any point i will be pissed off. still don't think rory and her work as a couple but i like him too.
― modrić in paradise (blueski), Thursday, 16 December 2010 14:26 (thirteen years ago) link
Oh FFS Amy isn't "barely fleshed out" (compared to who exactly? Rose? Martha? Any companion pre-1988?) her personality has been actually reset two or three times in the space of one series.
The one thing Tennant couldn't do was "gravitas". Smith is a bit better at it by virtue of having a deeper voice and being a bit uglier.
All the Moffat-penned ones were good, all the ones written by others were a bit balls.
This is it really. Don't think he played it remotely safe actually, if anything the last ep would have been too confusing for some viewers.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 16 December 2010 14:35 (thirteen years ago) link
Moffat didn't write "Amy's Choice" or "The Lodger" and both of those are as good as Moffat's stories; actually both are better than Moffat's "The Beast Below".
― Tina Tina Cheneuse (DJP), Thursday, 16 December 2010 14:41 (thirteen years ago) link
disagree based largely on Human Nature/FOB and TGITF - i think only Rusty-written Tennant is where it didn't come off well
― modrić in paradise (blueski), Thursday, 16 December 2010 14:45 (thirteen years ago) link
if anything the last ep would have been too confusing for some viewers
it was for me also i can never forgive the 'Doctor rescues himself' paradox - pretty good apart from that tho
― modrić in paradise (blueski), Thursday, 16 December 2010 14:47 (thirteen years ago) link
That isn't gravitas, that's "sad because my girlfriend has died", which he's pretty good at. Gravitas is standing in front of invading aliens and telling them to turn back or face the consequences.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 16 December 2010 14:47 (thirteen years ago) link
Gravitas is a quality of substance or depth of personality.
how the hell does this not apply to Moffat and Cornell's handling of Tennant's relationship issues in the aforementioned eps?!
― modrić in paradise (blueski), Thursday, 16 December 2010 14:49 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean gravitas isn't just how convincingly angry you can be
― modrić in paradise (blueski), Thursday, 16 December 2010 14:51 (thirteen years ago) link
Okay he's good at doing convincingly sad and less good at doing convincingly angry, then.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 16 December 2010 14:52 (thirteen years ago) link
I was going to list some counter-examples but, even though I can visualize them clearly, I'll be fucked if I can remember which episodes they were in.
― Tina Tina Cheneuse (DJP), Thursday, 16 December 2010 14:53 (thirteen years ago) link
xp but his suppressed anger at the end of FOB when punishing them was good too and its too bad RTD didn't do that more himself
― modrić in paradise (blueski), Thursday, 16 December 2010 14:54 (thirteen years ago) link
tbh i think part of the problem is that Tennant had to adopt extreme emotional responses while also doing the chirpy Southern UK accent and that probably affected his ragey moments. Matt Smith playing the Doctor with more or less his normal irl voice probably gives him the edge as his own repressed emotional responses are just naturally more convincing. This is also why Eccleston worked so well in angry mode.
― modrić in paradise (blueski), Thursday, 16 December 2010 14:57 (thirteen years ago) link
if you like Smith you MUST watch The Lodger adam!
I'll give it another go but tbh I'm not running all the way.
― I mean Emma Watson Premier League fit (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 16 December 2010 21:04 (thirteen years ago) link
Wait what is The Lodger? (Too lazy to google)
― Square-Panted Sponge Robert (VegemiteGrrrl), Thursday, 16 December 2010 21:14 (thirteen years ago) link
the episode from last season with the Doctor sharing a flat with "popular" comic actor James Corden
it's certainly worth seeing from the background season-spanning arc pov
― modrić in paradise (blueski), Thursday, 16 December 2010 21:18 (thirteen years ago) link
Oh lol I thought it was like a separate TV series. YES. The Lodge is great. Especially Matt-Smith-plays-pub-football scenes...I heard him say in an interview when he was in college he was actually going to be a footballer until he injured his knee or something. :D
― Square-Panted Sponge Robert (VegemiteGrrrl), Thursday, 16 December 2010 21:24 (thirteen years ago) link
Not :D for injuring his knee. But :D for him playing football.
ugh HATED this bcz he just stands there with a cob on and GROWING SUPER POWERS OUT OF THIN AIR
― i'm assuming that it's tity boi, host of the mixtape (sic), Thursday, 16 December 2010 23:07 (thirteen years ago) link
^That's just Tennant giving his 'good Carrie' impression.
― tl;dr swinton (suzy), Thursday, 16 December 2010 23:15 (thirteen years ago) link
what super powers?
― modrić in paradise (blueski), Thursday, 16 December 2010 23:19 (thirteen years ago) link
"trapping people in a mirror dimension like the Richard Donner Phantom Zone" powers
"transforming people into scarecrows" powers
"magicing up unbreakable chains and wrapping them around people with his mind" powers
― i'm assuming that it's tity boi, host of the mixtape (sic), Friday, 17 December 2010 00:11 (thirteen years ago) link
ha, the mirror and scarecrow ones were great, didn't put any of this down to 'super powers' more like some practically magic devices he had lying around the TARDIS...but it doesn't matter how!
didn't like the chains one and the one where he "tricks" the woman into a black hole or something tho
― modrić in paradise (blueski), Friday, 17 December 2010 00:32 (thirteen years ago) link
I felt "detached" about Matt Smith at first, but by the end of the season (starting from that daft vampire story) he was knocking 'em out the park.
Also, COME ON, that last episode was probably one of the best ever, I think.
― Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 17 December 2010 01:16 (thirteen years ago) link
Fez!
― Square-Panted Sponge Robert (VegemiteGrrrl), Friday, 17 December 2010 01:52 (thirteen years ago) link
I *cried* during the part where he is giving his speech to young Amelia, I am pathetic.
― THX THO... (Nicole), Friday, 17 December 2010 02:31 (thirteen years ago) link
Orrite, fez moment was a genuine flash of genius, I'll give you that.
― I mean Emma Watson Premier League fit (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 17 December 2010 02:57 (thirteen years ago) link
xpost Nicole, I did too. Blubbering idiot, me
― Square-Panted Sponge Robert (VegemiteGrrrl), Friday, 17 December 2010 03:16 (thirteen years ago) link
Ugh. Awful. I actually said out loud how bad it was more than once when it was on.
― progspeed you! black metallers (aldo), Saturday, 25 December 2010 19:27 (thirteen years ago) link
Ah c'mon. Climbing into the film, and "I am. I'm showing you now" - brilliant.
― e.g. delay koala, ok ya! (ledge), Saturday, 25 December 2010 19:32 (thirteen years ago) link
Schmaltzy as hell and purely for the kiddies but I loved it. Best Christmas special by some margin.
H8 Katherine Jenkins though.
― Matt DC, Saturday, 25 December 2010 19:47 (thirteen years ago) link
Dr was a bit thick to not notice the days counting down. And of course he could have whisked her off to some future planet of medicine, bish bosh all yer ills cured with a pill. But who's nit picking.
― e.g. delay koala, ok ya! (ledge), Saturday, 25 December 2010 19:54 (thirteen years ago) link
Throwing away the cornerstone of NuWho to go back and change the history of an individual?
Singing to fish makes them peaceful? Worst shoehorning of guest star evarr.
How did the close-to-death shark get into the basement from the roof, since the clouds had lifted so much that it couldn't even breathe any more? And how did it manage to live for that long (from Gambon being, what, 10 to his current age)?
When did Gambon's actual brain change, because how you think shouldn't change your brain pattern (if that's how it works)?
Why did Gambon's dad take fatally ill people as downpayment? It's not much of an incentive, is it - this person who's going to die will LIVE if you don't pay me! Also, not exactly moral of the Doctor to just leave all those people frozen, is it? He's certainly changed since New Earth when he risked everything to save a room full of people locked in cells who were fatally infected...
Riding behind a shark is the new jumping it.
― progspeed you! black metallers (aldo), Saturday, 25 December 2010 20:02 (thirteen years ago) link
I guess that means it's me nitpicking by the way.
Never change.
― Matt DC, Saturday, 25 December 2010 20:10 (thirteen years ago) link
okay I'll skip this thread again then.
great ep btw
― I write the lols that make the whole world zing (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 25 December 2010 20:16 (thirteen years ago) link
Four adults and four kids watching that one. And we all thought it was terrible. It managed to be boring, which is the cardinal sin of Whodom. Too many plot holes for comfort, too.
― Alan Partridge Project (ithappens), Saturday, 25 December 2010 20:31 (thirteen years ago) link
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v165/noodle_vague/Teyla-rolling-her-eyes.gif
― I write the lols that make the whole world zing (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 25 December 2010 20:34 (thirteen years ago) link
doctor who is rubbish
― conrad, Saturday, 25 December 2010 20:37 (thirteen years ago) link
doctor who is in the gutter
fyi bbc america is marathoning all the specials since davies so i'm drinkin n watchin and i will with pride report on respective quality
― aka the pope (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Saturday, 25 December 2010 23:08 (thirteen years ago) link
this is the first special since Davies hoos
― Stay J0rdan Fresh (sic), Saturday, 25 December 2010 23:18 (thirteen years ago) link
like 'all the specials since davis took over and beyond' i meant
― aka the pope (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Saturday, 25 December 2010 23:23 (thirteen years ago) link
wow ok whatever this is, i guess last year's xmas special with dr song and there's gilliam and there's smith, already its' rad. whole diff feel and pacing
― aka the pope (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Sunday, 26 December 2010 00:05 (thirteen years ago) link
i haven't seen anything since tennant left so this is a helluva way to start off, instantly so diff
― aka the pope (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Sunday, 26 December 2010 00:11 (thirteen years ago) link
ahhhhh what a rad open
― aka the pope (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Sunday, 26 December 2010 01:08 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah the Moffatt/Smith era has gone for a much more magical/children's fiction feel, which is why this was so good at actually feeling Christmassy (as opposed to companion's family bickering round the turkey). Which is why things like the lifespans of flying sharks or why all the soot suddenly disappeared from the Doctor or whatever don't really matter.
― Matt DC, Sunday, 26 December 2010 01:16 (thirteen years ago) link
A sort of cross between Christmas Carol and that episode of Star Trek with Joan Collins
― Mark G, Sunday, 26 December 2010 01:34 (thirteen years ago) link
Liked bits of that but it was rather slow in places. Needed more fish and less singing.
(at the time I assumed her family prob thought they had been quite clever giving him a fatally ill woman as their loan security, so I didn't see that as a plot hole at all, but I guess having a big counter of days until death on her ice-box was a bit of a giveaway to him so eh. still I am happy with the slightly creepy childhood dream style of magickal bollocks from Moffat where RTD's magic nonsense plot resolutions made me itchy)
― bauble metropolis (a passing spacecadet), Sunday, 26 December 2010 01:34 (thirteen years ago) link
i didn't realize this was the 3rd special with smith already, where the fuck have the years gone
― aka the pope (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Sunday, 26 December 2010 01:35 (thirteen years ago) link
not really interested in doctor who but saw a bit of this and that redhead assistant is just ridiculously hot
― jabba hands, Sunday, 26 December 2010 01:39 (thirteen years ago) link
no joke
― aka the pope (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Sunday, 26 December 2010 01:43 (thirteen years ago) link