― michael wells (michael w.), Saturday, 11 January 2003 20:59 (twenty-one years ago) link
― donut bitch (donut), Saturday, 11 January 2003 20:59 (twenty-one years ago) link
and as far as sound goes, aren't they just ripping off The Sundays? they were nothing special but far less offensive.
― gabbneb, Saturday, 11 January 2003 21:07 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 11 January 2003 21:19 (twenty-one years ago) link
Oh, and no, "Kiss Me" is not a pleasure. Nor is it gorgeous. It's toilet fodder. That cover of the "There She Goes" is pure f*cking blasphemy, and of course wholly f*cking hilarious. Fake Christians covering a song about heroin... a joyless laugh, to be sure.
― Tim D (Tim D), Sunday, 12 January 2003 02:29 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Tom (Groke), Sunday, 12 January 2003 02:52 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Sunday, 12 January 2003 03:04 (twenty-one years ago) link
...so I made a hip-hop/breaks bootleg of it.
Do people feel the same way about "1000 Miles" by Vanessa Carlton, 'cos I dig that muchly also.
― Nik (Nik), Sunday, 12 January 2003 03:07 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Tom (Groke), Sunday, 12 January 2003 03:11 (twenty-one years ago) link
― gabbneb, Sunday, 12 January 2003 03:17 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Kim (Kim), Sunday, 12 January 2003 03:17 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Sunday, 12 January 2003 03:20 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 12 January 2003 03:27 (twenty-one years ago) link
Off-topic: Air Supply's "Lost In Love" sounds like a commercialized outtake from _The Boy With The Arab Strap_. My wife refuses to accept this, but can't you imagine Stevie Jackson singing those verses?
― mike a (mike a), Sunday, 12 January 2003 04:55 (twenty-one years ago) link
― jel -- (jel), Sunday, 12 January 2003 10:49 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 12 January 2003 12:22 (twenty-one years ago) link
I like "a thousand miles". 2003 - the year of the pianist? (cf. last couple of regular TOTPs)
― Jeff W, Sunday, 12 January 2003 13:53 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Sunday, 12 January 2003 14:02 (twenty-one years ago) link
― kate, Sunday, 12 January 2003 14:05 (twenty-one years ago) link
― 1 1 2 3 5, Sunday, 12 January 2003 20:40 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Kim (Kim), Sunday, 12 January 2003 22:19 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Sunday, 12 January 2003 22:40 (twenty-one years ago) link
So yeah, always liked the song, Sundays yeah, B&S not so sure, didn't half go off them when I found out about the...oh never mind.
― Charlie (Charlie), Sunday, 12 January 2003 22:56 (twenty-one years ago) link
Ah, go buy a Corrs disc, Tom....the La's were great.
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 13 January 2003 00:12 (twenty-one years ago) link
Lovefool by The Cardigans was much better, Kiss Me is just kind of wimpy, forgettable sacharine.
― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 13 January 2003 11:43 (twenty-one years ago) link
― nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 13 January 2003 17:06 (twenty-one years ago) link
Lovefool was RUB and certainly not in the same league as the above songs. Can you imagine Joey Potter walking along deserted Boston st/deserted Capeside pier whilst this plays? Obv ans = NO. However, My Favourite Game is something that could easily be played at a frat party hahaha Jack is frat boy hahaha.
I did larff on Jens radio show where she talks about REAL ROCK music and then goes on to play Tenacious D.
― Sarah (starry), Monday, 13 January 2003 17:10 (twenty-one years ago) link
― gareth (gareth), Monday, 13 January 2003 17:10 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Sarah (starry), Monday, 13 January 2003 17:21 (twenty-one years ago) link
(piano)biddly biddly bong--biddle biddlebiddly biddly bong--boodle diddle daddlebiddly biddly bong--biddle biddleboodly diddly ding--
― nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 13 January 2003 17:25 (twenty-one years ago) link
― nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 13 January 2003 17:26 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Sarah (starry), Monday, 13 January 2003 17:32 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 13 January 2003 17:42 (twenty-one years ago) link
And any one Sundays song renders Sixpence irrelevant, but I am biased.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 13 January 2003 17:44 (twenty-one years ago) link
no they weren't. look its what richard ashcroft prob based his career on.
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 13 January 2003 17:55 (twenty-one years ago) link
Classic Doom-e action on this old La's thread!
― Tom (Groke), Monday, 13 January 2003 17:58 (twenty-one years ago) link
― zebedee, Monday, 13 January 2003 18:06 (twenty-one years ago) link
Vanessa Carlton "A Thousand Miles"
― Graham (graham), Monday, 13 January 2003 18:06 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Vinnie (vprabhu), Monday, 13 January 2003 19:46 (twenty-one years ago) link
― jel -- (jel), Monday, 13 January 2003 19:48 (twenty-one years ago) link
― chaki (chaki), Monday, 13 January 2003 20:48 (twenty-one years ago) link
the horror! the horror!
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 13 January 2003 20:53 (twenty-one years ago) link
Well I was thinking of more of a Thowing Muses lite, a sort of relation ship OMC's 'How Bizarre' had with Beck.My mind works in mysterious ways but I think the track it most reminds me of is 'Dizzy', but I don't have it to hand to confirm and I haven't heard it for years, probably before 'Kiss Me' came out.
― Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 05:59 (twenty-one years ago) link
No, because that relationship was "tons better than".
(Actually this is a good qn - which bands benefit from a 'lite' approach? Which don't?)
― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 08:38 (twenty-one years ago) link
― James Blount, Tuesday, 14 January 2003 08:44 (twenty-one years ago) link
(& "Kiss Me" is v.nice but I haven't listened to it in ages)
(but seriouslly, OMC as Beck-lite?!?!?!)
― Ess Kay (esskay), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 09:10 (twenty-one years ago) link
I'm saying Beck-lite is a good thing in this case Reclaim! "lite" from the hataz!
― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 09:11 (twenty-one years ago) link
― James Blount, Tuesday, 14 January 2003 09:14 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 19:38 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 19:39 (twenty-one years ago) link
I like this song but people comparing her vocal to Harriet Wheeler are so crazy, there's nowhere near the expressiveness or frustration or wistfulness in this you can find in any The Sundays song
― boxedjoy, Tuesday, 19 June 2018 17:28 (five years ago) link
sorry i'm crazy!
― flamenco blorf (BradNelson), Tuesday, 19 June 2018 17:36 (five years ago) link
i guess i'll agree with that still, it wasn't a one-to-one comparison
This song is great in its own right, but in my head is like the John the Baptist to the Lord and Saviour that is Bic Runga’s “Sway”.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 19 June 2018 17:56 (five years ago) link
oh god i haven't thought about "sway" in forever
― flamenco blorf (BradNelson), Tuesday, 19 June 2018 18:06 (five years ago) link
As for The Sundays resemblance, I think with stuff like “Kiss Me” and Natalie’s “Wrong Impression” there’s a certain... satisfying breeziness that comes from the fact that the singers are not on Harriet’s level of emotional nuance and expressiveness. I mean both performances are very pretty and expressive by ordinary standards but they do stop short of Harriet’s ability to capture an entire life in a turn of phrase like a pressed butterfly, and that kind of allows them to be simply affecting in a way that The Sundays’ work is too powerful for.
Perhaps the only Sundays song that comes close to that territory is “Summertime” - interestingly though it’s not at all because Harriet tones things down but that the song is so extremely ebullient that the two forces tend to cancel each other out if you’re not paying attention (and then once you do pay attention it becomes more obviously a deeply layered masterpiece).
So I guess what i’m saying is that the comparison is kind of unfair given the Sundays have made some of the best music of all time and let’s all be allowed to enjoy the lesser but considerable charms of “Kiss Me” and “Wrong Impression”.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 19 June 2018 18:08 (five years ago) link
Harriet’s ability to capture an entire life in a turn of phrase like a pressed butterfly
otm / goddamn
― flamenco blorf (BradNelson), Tuesday, 19 June 2018 18:17 (five years ago) link
lol at nabisco's line from 15 years ago: " "Kiss Me" sounds like the Sundays relocating to Dawson's Creek".
I just watched "Sway" again and I think the slight difference is that "Sway" sounds marginally better in my head then on record whereas the reverse is true for "Kiss Me", perhaps because Bic's singing dominates the former (and it's easier to capture the richness of the sound of vocals in memory IME) whereas the number one selling point of "Kiss Me" is the arrangement.
This is leading me down a wormhole of listening to Missy Higgins' "The Special Two" at 4am in the morning, oh no.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 19 June 2018 18:18 (five years ago) link
Huh, "Sway" never charted in the states. That's...odd.
― Making Plans For Sturgill (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 19 June 2018 18:19 (five years ago) link
Whut.
Never trust America.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 19 June 2018 18:23 (five years ago) link
I lost interest in the Sundays with "Summertime" – 'ebullience' is the right word but it's too spelled out, didactic? You can see the DNA connecting it and "Kiss Me."
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 19 June 2018 18:26 (five years ago) link
Your reaction makes sense to me but I think "Summertime" benefits more from close attention - there's much more shade to its light than is first apparent. The way the second verse so closely mirrors the first but entirely reverses the narrative into one of tragedy and disaster, even if slightly winking, recasts the entire rest of the song (and retroactively the earlier stretch of the song) as an elegy to fleeting happiness - hence the final line, "...or have I read too much fiction? Is this how it happens?"
In this regard I wouldn't agree that it's "didactic" - the didactic version of the same song is probably The Future Bible Heroes' "Real Summer" (though that song prospers by its gloomy insistence on spelling things out).
― Tim F, Tuesday, 19 June 2018 18:34 (five years ago) link
I lost interest in the Sundays with "Summertime"
smh
― flamenco blorf (BradNelson), Tuesday, 19 June 2018 18:38 (five years ago) link
there was a period a few years ago where i was really falling for someone but the entire situation was full of uncertainty and seemed like it could fall apart at any point and i sure did listen to "summertime" a lot then
― flamenco blorf (BradNelson), Tuesday, 19 June 2018 18:40 (five years ago) link
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oh huh i guess i'm only aware of it bc of the american pie soundtrack
― flamenco blorf (BradNelson), Tuesday, 19 June 2018 18:45 (five years ago) link
I think that's were most of us here discovered it.
It was a CVS jam for awhile.
― Making Plans For Sturgill (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 19 June 2018 18:46 (five years ago) link
whereas the number one selling point of "Kiss Me" is the arrangement.
last time i heard ‘kiss me’ i thought the opposite. it’s like those band practices where someone brings a melody and chord progression so killer you know all you have to do is stay out of the way
― flopson, Tuesday, 19 June 2018 20:04 (five years ago) link
‘Sway’ is beautiful
― flopson, Tuesday, 19 June 2018 20:05 (five years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4vkasTzVeU
― lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 19 June 2018 20:10 (five years ago) link
^^ 'Shouei'/Sway of some sorts, and would've fitted Dawsons Creek perfectly.
Also, 'Kiss Me' rules, Alfred (for once) drools.
― lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 19 June 2018 20:12 (five years ago) link
I am a man with a beer gut, a propane grill, and approximately eleven guitars and I like or love every song mentioned in this thread. I didn't care that "Wrong Impression" felt like a Sundays imitation, because even imitating the Sundays is a way to evoke the joy I get from the actual Sundays. Even if "Summertime" or "Static & Silence" constitute the Sundays imitating the Sundays I am all for it. More please.
I think I even owned the Sixpence CD with "Kiss Me." No regrets, even if I turned up my nose at the Christian stuff ("Waiting Room").
― too gashly (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 19 June 2018 20:20 (five years ago) link
How about "Breathe Your Name"? The lyrics seem obviously Xtian; but I always thought it was clever how it fit on secular radio b/c it could be (mis-)heard as referring to romantic rather than religious rapture, if you weren't listening closely.
― i’m still stanning (morrisp), Tuesday, 19 June 2018 20:25 (five years ago) link
Yeah morrisp, compare the Amy Grant of "Unguarded" - love songs that could easily be read as romantic or religious as the audience required.
― too gashly (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 19 June 2018 20:37 (five years ago) link
or Michelle Branch's Everywhere.
― how's life, Tuesday, 19 June 2018 22:33 (five years ago) link
donna lewis the goat
― lost in sublimation (Ross), Tuesday, 19 June 2018 22:35 (five years ago) link
relistening to this properly and realising what a reserved vocal performance it is, I can imagine it makes a more fun song to inhabit as a listener that you can't do with a song by The Sundays in the same way
"Wrong Impression" is a great song but in an entirely different way - giddy and glossy and widescreen in a way "Kiss Me" struggles to reach and The Sundays aren't trying to
― boxedjoy, Thursday, 21 June 2018 20:42 (five years ago) link
re: giddy glossiness, compare "Break Out."
― ~ cows come home (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 21 June 2018 21:28 (five years ago) link
If you were music supervisor on a contemporary remake of She’s All That, which song would you have play when Laney comes down the staircase?
― I eat fast foods (morrisp), Sunday, 26 April 2020 00:00 (four years ago) link
"All That" by Carly Rae, obvi
― winters (josh), Sunday, 26 April 2020 00:44 (four years ago) link