NEIL YOUNG ARCHIVES BOX: IT'S REALLY HAPPENING

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avoid at all costs the "Everybody Knows..." CD. It is pretty crappy sounding compared to the LP. I think the remastered stuff on that recent greatest hits CD sounds a lot better, too.

And regarding the Times Fades Away HDCD leak--where can i find this?

tylerw, Friday, 16 March 2007 17:26 (seventeen years ago) link

sent you a message tylerw

Edward III, Friday, 16 March 2007 18:07 (seventeen years ago) link

Can you send me a message as well? :)

J, Friday, 16 March 2007 18:26 (seventeen years ago) link

when is the Time Fades Away HDCD set to be released?

Also, Shakey, I'm assuming that 2 of the 8 discs on this will be the Massey Hall and Fillmore ones that were just released? Is that correct?

M@tt He1ges0n, Friday, 16 March 2007 18:28 (seventeen years ago) link

God, I hope not! That would be kind of lame, since I've already bought those two. The way I understood it was that the Live Performance Series was something different from the box set. But maybe I'm wrong?

tylerw, Friday, 16 March 2007 18:30 (seventeen years ago) link

Also, Shakey, I'm assuming that 2 of the 8 discs on this will be the Massey Hall and Fillmore ones that were just released? Is that correct?

I'll ask, but yeh this was my assumption too.

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 16 March 2007 18:35 (seventeen years ago) link

cool lemme know if you can...i haven't bought massey yet and if it is gonna be in the box i'll probably just hold off. thx

M@tt He1ges0n, Friday, 16 March 2007 18:44 (seventeen years ago) link

As someone mentioned upthread, I think the Performance Series stuff that's been released is separate from the Archives boxes.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 16 March 2007 18:44 (seventeen years ago) link

when is the Time Fades Away HDCD set to be released?

there is no release date. it was supposed to be done with on the beach and whatever else was in that first wave of hdcds, but neil didn't like the way it came out and he put the kibosh on it. journey through the past was done in hdcd as well but that never leaked.

problem is both of the original releases were cobbled together from two track tapes, and parts of journey were pulled straight from video so there's only so far you can go in making them super hifi. tfa sounds great anyways. hopefully it will be in archives vol 2. as a ditch trilogy fan that will be wot gets me excited, tho having journey in vol 1 would be pretty reet.

Edward III, Friday, 16 March 2007 18:51 (seventeen years ago) link

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Edward III, Friday, 16 March 2007 18:55 (seventeen years ago) link

FFS

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Edward III, Friday, 16 March 2007 18:56 (seventeen years ago) link

will it include the band before Buffalo Springfield where Neil Young played with Rick James?

Cameron Octigan, Friday, 16 March 2007 18:56 (seventeen years ago) link

GODDAMNIT STET

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Edward III, Friday, 16 March 2007 18:59 (seventeen years ago) link

sent you a message j

Edward III, Friday, 16 March 2007 19:04 (seventeen years ago) link

From I can gather from what Niel's been sayin is that the NYArchvie boxes will contain EVERYTHING he ever recorded.

So you know the difference. Some of it is good, some of it is crap that wasn't released-there's a reason. Take a look, see what it is. That's what a fuckin' archive is about, not "Here's Neil Young in all his wonderfulness-the great, phenomenal fucking wonderfulness." That's not what I want.

I want people to know how fuckin' terrible I was. How scared I was and how great I was. The real picture-that's what I'm looking for. Not a product. And I think that's what the die-hard fans want - the whole fuckin' thing." -Neil Young

sexyDancer, Friday, 16 March 2007 19:06 (seventeen years ago) link

Grazia Ed!

J, Friday, 16 March 2007 19:08 (seventeen years ago) link

okay, to answer some questions:
- my guy at the studio says yes, Massey Hall and Fillmore are going to be included on the box set. He also sez: "wow yer in for a treat, espesh the ealy 60s guitar inst. serf stuff ya think I kid, but no."
- As for Neil and Rick James in the Mynah Birds

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 16 March 2007 19:53 (seventeen years ago) link

goddammit.
phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/ wa/viewAlbum?playlistId=206976523&s=143441&i=206976875

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 16 March 2007 19:56 (seventeen years ago) link

Thanks for the updates. I'm kinda pissed now that I just shelled out for Fillmore and Massey tho.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 16 March 2007 19:59 (seventeen years ago) link

this will probably be one of the only boxed sets I've ever shelled out money for (the other one being BACK TO MONO)

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 16 March 2007 20:01 (seventeen years ago) link

this will be the first box set i've ever bought. i'm dreading finding out how much this'll cost.

modestmickey, Friday, 16 March 2007 20:03 (seventeen years ago) link

shakey, would you mind inquiring about journey through the past, album or film or both? no worries if you've pressed yr luck, don't want to turn this thread into a flood of q's for you. I'm just way curious about that.

Edward III, Friday, 16 March 2007 20:05 (seventeen years ago) link

haha - no worries, he's a close friend/bandmate/neighbor and we will be getting drunk and karaoke'ing later today as a matter of fact. I'll ask

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 16 March 2007 20:07 (seventeen years ago) link

scraping together a few amazon.com gift certificates and getting in on the pre-order price will probably take the edge off this one.

Edward III, Friday, 16 March 2007 20:07 (seventeen years ago) link

wow, thanks man.

Edward III, Friday, 16 March 2007 20:08 (seventeen years ago) link

this will be the first box set i've ever bought. i'm dreading finding out how much this'll cost.

don't worry I'll hook you up with an illegal download just like you like

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 16 March 2007 20:08 (seventeen years ago) link

Back to Mono goes for like $15 these days

sexyDancer, Friday, 16 March 2007 20:09 (seventeen years ago) link

timely

modestmickey, Friday, 16 March 2007 20:18 (seventeen years ago) link

This sounds fantastic. Just hope I don't have to sell a pint or two of blood to afford it.

leavethecapital, Friday, 16 March 2007 21:15 (seventeen years ago) link

thx for all the info shakey...i couldn't get the link on the mynah birds response to work...

M@tt He1ges0n, Friday, 16 March 2007 21:51 (seventeen years ago) link

its supposed to be a link to the iTunes store entry for the Motown Box Set, which contains a few Mynah Birds singles. I think it comes up if you search for "Mynah Birds" in iTunes.

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 16 March 2007 21:54 (seventeen years ago) link

(btw I have not listened to them yet meself)

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 16 March 2007 21:55 (seventeen years ago) link

so just to backpedal a bit, does anyone else think it's kinda lame that the Fillmore and Massey Hall shows are apparently going to be included in the big box set? i mean, most hardcore Neil fans (who this archives box is almost certainly aimed at) are going to have already bought the single disc editions on the day they came out--even though the nerds (like, uh, me) already have them on bootleg! So if I get the 8 cd/2 dvd set later this year, I'll have three versions of the same show? I guess I'd rather just have a six disc/2 dvd set, if it'd be cheaper. anyway...

tylerw, Monday, 19 March 2007 16:35 (seventeen years ago) link

EBAY

Edward III, Monday, 19 March 2007 17:10 (seventeen years ago) link

more updates: Journey Through the Past is not gonna be included in the box set, either in music or film form. The DVDs are primarily home videos and unreleased live footage, young Neil driving his gear around in a hearse, etc. Stuff that was made for official release (like Human Highway or Rust Never Sleeps or Journey Through the Past) are not in there.

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 19 March 2007 17:15 (seventeen years ago) link

that's kind of lame

akm, Monday, 19 March 2007 17:27 (seventeen years ago) link

was it confirmed that massey hall and fillmore are on this? Iwouldn't assume they are and have seen nothing to indicate taht they are

akm, Monday, 19 March 2007 17:27 (seventeen years ago) link

I think Neil said something like there would be spaces for them in the box design at least

sexyDancer, Monday, 19 March 2007 17:33 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm hoping there's a lot of mis-information floating around this thread because, to be perfectly honest, the more I'm reading the less I actually care about ever seeing these things. Releases I've already paid for? Home movies? Come on Neil.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Monday, 19 March 2007 17:38 (seventeen years ago) link

thanks shakey

NEIL WHY U BRAEK HEART ALL TIME

Edward III, Monday, 19 March 2007 17:58 (seventeen years ago) link

i would love to have a good copy of that 1974 bottom line show, but it's probably not up to neil's audio standards. er, and i guess it would go on massive box vol.2.

scott seward, Monday, 19 March 2007 18:55 (seventeen years ago) link

vol 3. is gonna rule with 9 discs of NY classics done in "Trans" fashion

sexyDancer, Monday, 19 March 2007 19:04 (seventeen years ago) link

ungrateful mofos!!!!

M@tt He1ges0n, Monday, 19 March 2007 19:29 (seventeen years ago) link

u shood all punch yrselfs in the dick for not being neil young

M@tt He1ges0n, Monday, 19 March 2007 19:34 (seventeen years ago) link

that's how I start each morning

Edward III, Monday, 19 March 2007 20:53 (seventeen years ago) link

hmm, yeah that 74 Bottom Line show is probably the best Neil Young bootleg ever (which is saying something). It ought to have been included as a bonus disc with the On The Beach reissue. But it's an audience recording (I think), so it probably won't be officially released. Still, I'm glad it exists in any form. That opening "Pushed It Over The Edge/Citizen Kane Jr. Blues" is up there with his finest never-released tunes. Wonder if there's a studio version of that song in the archives...I've heard the sort of wonky CSNY live rendition. Good, but not as good as the song deserves.

Anyhoo, don't mean to be ungrateful or anything. Regardless of what's on these Archive box sets and what's not ME LOVE NEIL YOUNG.

tylerw, Monday, 19 March 2007 21:04 (seventeen years ago) link

News from Billboard:

"Massey Hall" and last fall's "Live at the Fillmore East" will be included in the box as bonus discs. The remainder of the chronological collection features material cut with Young's early Canadian band the Squires, recordings from the period during which he lived in Topanga Canyon, Calif., scores of previously unreleased studio tracks and a live disc drawn from a week's worth of concerts from the Toronto venue the Riverboat.


"This really is an audio biography, not a boxed set," enthuses Standish, who says three additional "Archives" boxes will follow. "The photos in the book are unbelievable. Those in and of themselves are incredible pieces of art."

The notoriously press-shy Young is expected to do some interviews in support of "Archives" but for now is not planning a tour around the release. "A lot of people don't realize how extensive and intense the Freedom of Speech tour he did with Crosby, Stills & Nash was," says Standish. "I think Neil is taking a little bit of a break at the moment. But you never know what's around the corner. If the muse moves him, anything can happen."

tylerw, Thursday, 22 March 2007 14:36 (seventeen years ago) link

soooo, the Fillmore and Massey Hall shows are in addition to the 8 discs? Or what?
Also: "Notoriously press-shy?" I mean he doesn't give interviews every five minutes, but he's not exactly Dylanesque in this regard.

tylerw, Thursday, 22 March 2007 14:40 (seventeen years ago) link

can anybody help me obtain the 74 Bottom Line show?

QuantumNoise, Thursday, 22 March 2007 14:54 (seventeen years ago) link

btw,

if anyone were to email me at m@tt@g@m31nf0rmer.c0m

there's a possibility you might end up receiving a yousendit link to the legendary "lost neil album" chrome dreams

M@tt He1ges0n, Saturday, 24 March 2007 18:44 (seventeen years ago) link

xxp Live at the Filmore East has my definitive take of “Cowgirl in the Sand”

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Friday, 19 May 2023 18:18 (ten months ago) link

oh yeah Fillmore East is so crucial I realize I've stopped thinking about it as an Archive release

Buffalo Springfield played like 100 shows with the Beach Boys, Neil was tight with Dennis Wilson for a while ...

looks like he's having the time of his life here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rp97Hijkd10

anyway, i don't think the "long may you run" reference is meant as a "lol the beach boys moment"

tylerw, Friday, 19 May 2023 18:24 (ten months ago) link

and it's a bit sad. i love crazy horse, love the lizard brain caveman energy but there was something about danny whitten version, just having another guy more on neil's level who could push him a bit.

He liked the Beach Boys enough to use "Let's Go Away for Awhile" as the closing theme to Journey Through the Past, and then to put it on the soundtrack album.

Halfway there but for you, Friday, 19 May 2023 18:45 (ten months ago) link

archives releases that i most rate: way down in the rust bucket, a treasure, tuscaloosa, tonight's the night at the roxy, and weirdly maybe return to greendale.

omar little, Friday, 19 May 2023 18:50 (ten months ago) link

also Disc 6 from Archives II, that incredible "Old Homestead" disc - not exactly a standalone but I wish it was

broken breakbeat (sleeve), Friday, 19 May 2023 18:51 (ten months ago) link

anyway, i don't think the "long may you run" reference is meant as a "lol the beach boys moment"

Agreed! My point was The Bottom Line crowd thinks it is, but Neil is a tru head.

This machine bores fascism (PBKR), Friday, 19 May 2023 19:02 (ten months ago) link

sleeve, I'm sure I listened to Disc 6 at some point, but it didn't grab me as much as Disc 8 (Dume). That one is just incredible to me - I don't think the Powderfinger is better than the released version, but I might like the sound of it better.

This machine bores fascism (PBKR), Friday, 19 May 2023 19:05 (ten months ago) link

But I will listen to Disc 6 tonight.

This machine bores fascism (PBKR), Friday, 19 May 2023 19:06 (ten months ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYbkISdwVYU

dow, Friday, 19 May 2023 19:35 (ten months ago) link

Neil was tight with Dennis Wilson for a while

Had a mutual friend with a beard, I think.

clemenza, Friday, 19 May 2023 19:55 (ten months ago) link

six months pass...

epic update from Neil about archives vol 3 (now due out next summer it seems ...). Info nabbed from here: https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/neil-young-launches-online-archives-1st-december-2017.688177/page-921

Across the Water, Part 1 and 2: a two disc set ("albums and movies") that represents the '76 tour previously covered by Odeon-Budokan. He mentioned it contains songs from Odeon-Budokan, his shows in Hammersmith, Glasgow, and "somewhere else which I can't remember."

Hitchhikin' Judy: this covers the fall '76 tour ("which was a solo opening and then an intermission and then Crazy Horse'). He wasn't clear on if it contains both the solo acoustic performances and the CH performances, or even if any of the songs that appear on Hitchhiker (or anything else from this era) will appear.

Snapshot in Time: The "audio verite" audio documentary of him rehearsing with Nicolette and Linda before they began recording the songs that are on side B of American Stars 'N' Bars (a version of "Barefoot Floors" is supposed to be one of the tracks here).

Windward Passage: A live album of Ducks songs recorded live in Santa Cruz

Oceanside/Countryside: The album he made before Comes a Time that he recorded solo acoustic before overdubbing additional guitars. There's 12 tracks (of which only "1 or 2 that have surfaced" previously). Many of the original versions of the songs that are on Comes a Time can be found here.

Union Hall: the Give to the Wind Orchestra rehearsal for their show in Miami.

Boarding House 1 and Boarding House 2: now a two disc set, with Boarding House 2 including his session with DEVO that he did in the afternoon before one of his shows at the venue

Sedan Delivery: covers the Rust Never Sleeps period, but "it's different tracks selected from RNS," and it has a "wacky cover."

Coastline: covers the Hawks & Doves and Re-ac-tor era from July 1980-July 1981. It has "a lot of songs on it."

Trans EP and Johnny's Island: another two disc set. The Trans EP will be the vocodor tracks from the album isolated on their own ("it takes you to that place and you stay there").

Evolution: covers Jan 83-Jan 84.

Touch the Night: a compilation of the two shows from Feb 7th, 1984 with Crazy Horse.

Grey Riders: another two disc set that covers June 1984-September 1985.

Road of Plenty: It seems like the focus has shifted to covering the Landing on Water/Life period, based on the tracks Neil mentioned

Summer Songs: This closes out the set.

tylerw, Thursday, 30 November 2023 23:15 (four months ago) link

...wow

out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Thursday, 30 November 2023 23:42 (four months ago) link

dang, neil!

thanks for passing that on tylerw! is there anything in there that's particularly unheard or unannounced before? hitchhikin' judy sounds great to me

z_tbd, Thursday, 30 November 2023 23:48 (four months ago) link

a ton of stuff that's unheard ... most of this had been mentioned over the years by Neil, but it was always unclear what would actually be included. This seems to be a more or less finalized plan ... the idea of more DEVO stuff is amazing, but I'm not sure whether it'll just be the "Hey Hey My My" that we've already heard. Would be cool if they did "Sedan Delivery," seems like a no-brainer to me.

tylerw, Thursday, 30 November 2023 23:52 (four months ago) link

yow! go Neil go!

I think archives 1 got reissued recently if anyone cares

brimstead, Friday, 1 December 2023 00:45 (four months ago) link

holy shit!

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 1 December 2023 16:53 (four months ago) link

Trans EP and Johnny's Island: another two disc set. The Trans EP will be the vocodor tracks from the album isolated on their own ("it takes you to that place and you stay there").

so I'm a little bummed out by this -- and please correct me if I'm misremembering tyler -- but i sweat in shakey mcdonough refers to the fact that there were more synth songs that were left off of trans in favor of the conventional rock stuff...i specifically remember a mention of a synth "razor love" which later surfaced on silver + gold

do you remember that?

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 1 December 2023 16:54 (four months ago) link

i think the synth "razor love" was from later — I'm guessing it'll be on that disc entitled "Evolution"

tylerw, Friday, 1 December 2023 17:18 (four months ago) link

ahh interesting, i figured i misremembered

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 1 December 2023 17:29 (four months ago) link

Yow!

SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Friday, 1 December 2023 18:32 (four months ago) link

two weeks pass...

I listened to the Dume disc off of Archives II while driving up the coast and visiting Topanga Beach, Point Dume/Zuma Beach, and El Matador State Beach. Really great music and setting experience. It's put me on a big Neil kick.

I was listening to Somewhere Under the Rainbow, the "official" bootleg of a Tonight's the Night show from England. Neil gives all the regular Miami Beach raps, but he goes on an extended rap about how Bruce Berry lost a guitar and he fired him which leads to his death and overdose. Is Neil transposing what happened with Danny Whitten (sent him home from the tour) to Bruce Berry? Regardless, it's devastating.

il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Saturday, 16 December 2023 13:14 (four months ago) link

According to Shakey, Bruce Berry stole a strat from David Crosby during the Byrds reunion in '73, and Crosby--who'd been led to believe that Berry had it together--fired him. Berry later overdosed on some bad heroin he'd acquired as part of coke deal he set up for another (unnamed) Rock star.

an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 16 December 2023 14:06 (four months ago) link

There's a similar story about Danny Whitten stealing a battered acoustic from Danny Hutton from Three Dog Night, who was extra-angry because that was the guitar he'd written his first hit with.

an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 16 December 2023 14:15 (four months ago) link

I forgot that from Shakey - it's been a long time since I read it. But given that it's Crosby that fired Berry, it doesn't make sense that Neil is feeling guilty. This is from the Whitten wiki:

Whitten lagged behind, figuring out the rhythm parts, though never in sync with the rest of the group. Young, who had more at stake after the success of After the Gold Rush and Harvest, fired him from the band on November 18, 1972. He gave Whitten $50 ($364 in 2023) and a plane ticket back to Los Angeles. Later that night Whitten died from ingesting a combination of diazepam, which he was taking for severe knee arthritis, and alcohol, which he was using to try to get over his heroin addiction.

Which is almost exactly the story that Neil gives in his rap about Berry, but replacing Whitten not being able to play guitar with Berry losing a guitar. Innaresting.

il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Saturday, 16 December 2023 14:16 (four months ago) link

the 73 byrds reunion didn't tour at all so not sure where Berry was supposed to be stealing from, the studio or Crosby's house? maybe from a Crosby/Nash gig around the same time?

buzza, Saturday, 16 December 2023 14:25 (four months ago) link

Iirc, it was in the studio during the album sessions, as Berry had been hired as Crosby's personal tech/roadie.

an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 16 December 2023 14:48 (four months ago) link

it's all in a short paragraph here btw

StanM, Saturday, 16 December 2023 19:45 (four months ago) link


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