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well its kinda true if that guy from the libertines counts as a 'rock star'

latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 19:51 (eighteen years ago) link

the Brits didn't cut any deals with the Nazis like our Hero of the People(tm) Stalin, for one thing...

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 19:53 (eighteen years ago) link

tell that to the czechs

mookieproof (mookieproof), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 19:54 (eighteen years ago) link

(not that i mean to back up bethune or anything)

mookieproof (mookieproof), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 19:54 (eighteen years ago) link

That fabian socialism can even be mentioned here with serious topics is llustrative of why the simpering english never accomplished anything.

Great rhetoric but demonstrably untrue.

M. White (Miguelito), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 19:56 (eighteen years ago) link

bethune, btw, you remind me of myself when I was 15-16 years old.

M. White (Miguelito), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 19:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Dude, are you G0rd0n B3thun3, former CEO of C0ntin3ntal A!rl!nes? If so, why are you loitering around here, pestering the working classes?

truck-patch pixel farmer (my crop froze in the field) (Rock Hardy), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 21:06 (eighteen years ago) link

"If you're worried what g b shaw thinks about politics you're already doomed."

that's good, too

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 21:14 (eighteen years ago) link

I should imagine, however, that he doesn't think much any more.

M. White (Miguelito), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 21:19 (eighteen years ago) link

and W "has faith" and "believes in" all his bullshit too
But even if Communism is/was a tragic mistake or unreachable Utopia, it was based on a desire to improve the quality of human existence. What does W believe in other than more money for those who've got plenty already? Some faiths are intrinsically more virtuous than others.
-- The Man in the Iron-On Mask (noodle_vagu...), January 31st, 2006.

I think W probably believes that his foreign policy will spread democracy and make America safer, that abortion is morally wrong, etc.

31g (31g), Wednesday, 1 February 2006 23:43 (eighteen years ago) link

31g OTM.

I firmly believe that W believes that "democracy" and "freedom" as experienced in the US are, at the very least, the pinnacle of human accomplishment to date. I wouldn't want to vouch for his whole administration, nor would I necessarily deny that he is open to "helping out his friends" along the way.

It's this conflating of religion (faith) and the particularities of American politics, culture, and economics that are what make him so dangerous.

Mitya (mitya), Thursday, 2 February 2006 02:42 (eighteen years ago) link

tell that to the czechs
-- mookieproof (mookieproo...), February 1st, 2006.

brit deal with hitler was bad -- ie 'ok take the sudetenland and we won't respond' -- but not quite on a par with the russian deal with hitler -- ie 'take half of poland, we'll take the other half, and together we'll kill everyone'.

The Man Without Shadow (Enrique), Thursday, 2 February 2006 09:30 (eighteen years ago) link

I wonder how Bethune views Saddam; he's the biggest Stalinist after the man himself, and Stalin was of course his hero.

TRG (TRG), Thursday, 2 February 2006 14:43 (eighteen years ago) link

how about the Dear Leader?

mookieproof (mookieproof), Thursday, 2 February 2006 14:52 (eighteen years ago) link

I suppose that after this week's events: danish cartoons creating uproar, the state-of-the-cheney-rove union speech, panic in detroit, etc., a lot of people are pining for the peace and public order of the former SU. This kind of ethnic and religious strife was non-existent: all religions were tolerated. Except some unorthodox sects, but they were mainly a tool of external agitators and were correctly discouraged. Say what you will about cheney-rove, he's not taking it lying down. Most of this international noise is being carefully orchestrated. This practice what you preach is what has earned cheney-rove so much grudging respect in the mid-east. Cf the french meltdown there.

bethune, Saturday, 4 February 2006 17:07 (eighteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
I guess I'm not surprised people have been so tight-lipped about the impressive list of accomplishments that were rolled out during the centrally-planned soviet economy's golden age. It's frankly too embarrassing, especially given the impotent responses in the UK and France. Italy was of course the perennial joke of the party throughout the 20th century.

The maneuverings of cheney-rove during the past couple of weeks-the "hunting" incident, and now the Dubai flare-up - are merely smokescreens to take focus away from the role of the current post-soviet regime's attempts to play honest broker in the mid-east.

Almost no coverage has been granted to russia's efforts to organize a nascent labour movement in Syria and Iran. After their success in Saudi, worker representatives in Syria asked the russian movement for assistance organizing. This is the last thing cheney-rove wants publicisised. A peaceful workers' uprising would stunt cheney-rove's juggernaut in the region.

Not that it will get out, given cheney-roves stranglehold on US and European media outlets--witness the cartoon fracus.

The current regime in russia isn't strictly orthodox, but early signs are that the direction is appropriate. Look for a reconstitution of a shadow "supreme soviet" to serve as an advisory panel. You heard it here first.

bethune, Sunday, 26 February 2006 16:48 (eighteen years ago) link

the current post-soviet regime's attempts to play honest broker in the mid-east.

Well, there's a novel interpretation.

Cathy (Cathy), Sunday, 26 February 2006 16:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Exactly. I figured that you would understand. Most people on this thread are too blind to see the obvious--playing right in to Cheney-rove's hand.

bethune, Sunday, 26 February 2006 18:18 (eighteen years ago) link

omg. it's back.

NoNoNoNo, Sunday, 26 February 2006 19:52 (eighteen years ago) link

I will say that ever since this thread I refer to the current admin as Cheney-Rove. I like that.

TRG (TRG), Sunday, 26 February 2006 21:31 (eighteen years ago) link

Here's a link to the accurately titled "Lies concerning the history of the Soviet Union" - you may well approve Bethune:

http://www.etext.org/Politics/Staljin/Staljin/articles/lies/lies.html

And here's Johann Hari's article on The Stalin Society, followed by Harpal Brar's predictably scathing response:

http://www.johannhari.com/archive/article.php?id=155

metalmickey, Sunday, 26 February 2006 22:13 (eighteen years ago) link

I suppose we're all supposed to think those links offer some kind of rebuttal.

bethune, Monday, 27 February 2006 06:14 (eighteen years ago) link

You're rather an odd fish, aren't you Bethune?

metalmickey, Monday, 27 February 2006 12:06 (eighteen years ago) link

The Hobbit D. James Album

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Monday, 27 February 2006 21:41 (eighteen years ago) link

robblerouser

latebloomer: where dignity goes to die (latebloomer), Monday, 27 February 2006 22:02 (eighteen years ago) link

http://katardat.org/Stalin/images/stalin-poster08.jpg

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 27 February 2006 22:13 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.siber.com/sib/sov-humor/lenin-n-stalin/nov7.jpg

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 27 February 2006 22:14 (eighteen years ago) link

In the heat of the night
In the heat of the day
When I close my eyes
When I look your way
When I meet the fear that lies inside
When I hear you say
In the heat of the moment
Say, say, say

Some day, some day, some day, dominion
Come a time
Some day, some day, some day, dominion
Some say prayers
Some say prayers
I say mine

In the light of the fact
On the lone and level
Sand stretch far away
In the heat of the action
In the settled dust
Hold hold and say
In the meeting of mined
Down in the streets of shame
In the betting of names on gold to rust
In the land of the blind
Be...king, king, king, king

Some day, some day, some day, dominion
Come a time
Some day, some day, some day, dominion
Some say prayers
Some say prayers
I say mine

Some day, some day, some day, dominion
Some say prayers
Some say prayers
I say mine

In the heat of the night
In the heat of the day
When I close my eyes
When I look your way
When I meet the fear that lies inside
When I hear you say
In the heat of the moment
Say, say, say

Some day, some day, some day, dominion
Some say prayers
Some say prayers
I say mine
I say mine
I say mine

We serve an old moan in a dry season
A lighthouse keeper in the desert sun
Dreamers of sleepers and white treason
We dream of rain and the history of the gun
There’s a lighthouse in the middle of prussia
A white house in a red square
I’m living in films for the sake of russia
A kino runner for the ddr
And the fifty-two daughters of the revolution
Turn the gold to chrome
Gift...nothing to lose
Stuck inside of memphis with the mobile home, sing:

Mother russia
Mother russia
Mother russia rain down down down
Mother russia
Mother russia
Mother russia rain down

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 27 February 2006 22:15 (eighteen years ago) link

Well I suppose all of Cheney-rove' adventures with the Dubai ports mgt contract has all you apologists singing a different tune now.

bethune, Thursday, 9 March 2006 06:09 (eighteen years ago) link

Why yes. Yes, that is far, far worse than killing thousands of people by purging your own ruling elite. Why would we ever think any different?

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 9 March 2006 08:24 (eighteen years ago) link

bethune go read THIS already and stuff a sock in it, you moron.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 9 March 2006 08:32 (eighteen years ago) link

Milosevic dead of a "heart attack.". Sure, that's no surprise. Stand up to cheney-rove and you end up dead in a dutch jail. Now watch the demonization begin of another duly elected leader who darted to stand up to cheney-rove and his E.U. puppets.

bethune, Monday, 13 March 2006 02:34 (eighteen years ago) link

you stinky pair of shoes, you

latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 13 March 2006 02:42 (eighteen years ago) link

I mean seriously, the guy told his lawyer he'd been poisoned...which the autopsy CONFIRMED. After how many years and $200 million and they couldn't prove anything? I mean, get real. This is another cheney-rove affaire gratis his lap dog, the European Commission.

bethune, Monday, 13 March 2006 04:08 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.slimeworld.org/cloister/cd/graphics/cdm055.jpg

alger hess, Monday, 13 March 2006 04:14 (eighteen years ago) link

After how many years and $200 million and they couldn't prove anything? I mean, get real.

The prosecution rest their case nearly two years ago and whole trial has been riddled with breaks for Slobo's health. It hardly seems their fault that the case wasn't over yet.

Mitya (mitya), Monday, 13 March 2006 04:34 (eighteen years ago) link

He's got a point; the average Stalinist show trial took what, a day?

31g (31g), Monday, 13 March 2006 05:07 (eighteen years ago) link

What's becoming clearer every day--to the chagrin of so-called "progressives" and others on this board-- is that the EU, especially the commission, is just an extension of cheney-rove. It's getting so blatant--and not just because of the illegal poisoning of President Milosevic. The whole cartoon episode has been carefully orchestrated by cheney-rove--throught the European Parliament--to further his adventures in the near east. The emirates see this very clearly now.

bethune, Monday, 13 March 2006 05:24 (eighteen years ago) link

YOU CAN"T MAKE THIS STUFF, UP!!

polio sanctuary, Monday, 13 March 2006 05:55 (eighteen years ago) link

Thanks for the support, polio. One other sensible poster. You'd think everyone would see how obvious the connection is. They literally think it's made up. And then there are the actively hostile people on this thread. Not that I care anymore.

Another thing mostpeople don't realize is that cheney-rove actually pays people to post sympathetic comments on boards like this. Usually through third parties, of course. Impossible to say for sure, but look at TOMBOT's posts carefully.

bethune, Monday, 13 March 2006 14:41 (eighteen years ago) link

You just jumped the shark, mate.

I'm thinking six, six, six (noodle vague), Monday, 13 March 2006 14:44 (eighteen years ago) link

Seriously though if you read the news coverage of the past six years you can see that "cheney-rove" is very capable of "orchestrating" things, "carefully."

TOMBOT, Monday, 13 March 2006 14:49 (eighteen years ago) link

not just because of the illegal poisoning of President Milosevic

As opposed to legal poisoning?

I'm thinking six, six, six (noodle vague), Monday, 13 March 2006 14:54 (eighteen years ago) link

THOUGHTCRIME. Please report for interrogation, TOMBOT.

phil d. (Phil D.), Monday, 13 March 2006 15:22 (eighteen years ago) link

A few years back Sky TV ran an autumn promotion under the banner "The October Revolution", with adverts featuring stock footage of Stalin doing a speech that had been dubbed with a squeeky Yorkshireman making "witty" remarks about scratchy underpants, among other things.

They ditched it after Spitting Image ran a series of spoofs, first with Uncle Joe himself saying, in comedy voice, "Did you know I killed more people than Hitler?" and following it up with the likes of Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot and so on wittering on about underpants and genocide.

Hello Sunshine (Hello Sunshine), Monday, 13 March 2006 15:43 (eighteen years ago) link

But Spitting Image was funded by Cheney-Rove Nash & Young!

I'm thinking six, six, six (noodle vague), Monday, 13 March 2006 15:46 (eighteen years ago) link

ok is it wacko day on ILX or something? I mean, more than normal?

Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Monday, 13 March 2006 19:29 (eighteen years ago) link

One wacko, many names.

Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Monday, 13 March 2006 23:11 (eighteen years ago) link

It's been interesting to watch the legacy-states, China and Russia standing up to cheney-rove over Iran and all of cheney-rove's adventurizing in the near-east. This is the kind of partnership that the leadership of the S.U.always dreamed of. This partnershp of equals was of course undermined by cheney-rove's predecessors--remember Korea?--just as it is today.

bethune, Friday, 24 March 2006 00:33 (eighteen years ago) link


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