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I was a marquess's daughter with a privileged upbringing, an acting career and a flat in Notting Hill. Simon was an armed robber serving nine years who'd grown up on a council estate.

But in the confines of the prison walls, our very different upbringings didn't matter. As part of the acting workshop I ran in the prison, he played a handsome Macbeth to my Lady Macbeth.

Despite family and friends decrying the match, after a 15-month romance, we married. We went on to have a daughter, Hero, seven, and a son, Tybalt, six, and bought a disused church in Snowdonia. It could have been idyllic. The problems came when I discovered Simon's drug habit, then his affair.

This is incredible stuff. I just want to savour it before I read any further.

Matt DC, Monday, 20 December 2010 12:13 (thirteen years ago) link

clearly the woman's a dobber, but the CiF feeding frenzy is kinda full of unedifying attitudes and assumptions too

baubles to the wall (Noodle Vague), Monday, 20 December 2010 12:14 (thirteen years ago) link

I'm not going to actually read a CiF thread to find out.

Matt DC, Monday, 20 December 2010 12:15 (thirteen years ago) link

archive of Times column: http://www.stcurigschurch.com/sunday%20times.htm

Her ancestor gave us the Queensberry Rules, and bankrupted Oscar Wilde.

Insane Clown 2 Electric Juggalo (onimo), Monday, 20 December 2010 12:35 (thirteen years ago) link

I was a marquess's daughter with a privileged upbringing, an acting career and a flat in Notting Hill. Simon was an armed robber serving nine years who'd grown up on a council estate.

But in the confines of the prison walls, our very different upbringings didn't matter. As part of the acting workshop I ran in the prison, he played a handsome Macbeth to my Lady Macbeth.

Despite family and friends decrying the match, after a 15-month romance, we married. We went on to have a daughter, Hero, seven, and a son, Tybalt, six, and bought a disused church in Snowdonia. It could have been idyllic. The problems came when I discovered Simon's drug habit, then his affair.

This is incredible stuff. I just want to savour it before I read any further.

― Matt DC, Monday, December 20, 2010 12:13 PM (5 hours ago) Bookmark

lololololol

moholy-nagl (history mayne), Monday, 20 December 2010 18:14 (thirteen years ago) link

That's not a Cif thread, btw. Just sayin' like. Comment is free is the home of opinion pieces. It's not "any Guardian story with user comments enabled".

Alba, Tuesday, 21 December 2010 15:05 (thirteen years ago) link

Comment is free is the home of opinion pieces fucking maniacs.

fixed

Jefferson Mansplain (DG), Tuesday, 21 December 2010 15:09 (thirteen years ago) link

PLEASE CAN PEOPLE STOP CROSSING THROUGH THINGS AND WRITING "fixed" IT IS THE MOST ANNOYING PRISSY THING EVER, EVEN MORE ANNOYING AND PRISSY THAN ME.

Alba, Tuesday, 21 December 2010 15:12 (thirteen years ago) link

PLEASE CAN PEOPLE STOP CROSSING THROUGH THINGS AND WRITING "fixed" IT IS THE MOST ANNOYING PRISSY AMAZING SEXY AND WITTY THING EVER, EVEN MORE ANNOYING AND PRISSY THAN ME.

fixed

Jefferson Mansplain (DG), Tuesday, 21 December 2010 15:18 (thirteen years ago) link

almost, adhering to guardian proofing standards

Jefferson Mansplain (DG), Tuesday, 21 December 2010 15:18 (thirteen years ago) link

and then someone...

YUP, guessed so (xpost)

Mark G, Tuesday, 21 December 2010 15:27 (thirteen years ago) link

one month passes...

big link from FRONT PAGE online to this
http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2011/jan/24/view-from-broad-lauren-laverne

the pinefox, Tuesday, 25 January 2011 10:57 (thirteen years ago) link

She's whip-smart

not sure laura barton is best-placed to judge intelligence

Ward Fowler, Tuesday, 25 January 2011 11:02 (thirteen years ago) link

it looks like laverne is the anchor...

also

✤ We are positively itchy with excitement for Portlandia, the new comedy series set in the Oregonian city of Portland, co-written and starring Ms Carrie Brownstein of Sleater-Kinney. It promises to take a wry look at the city's hipster-crafty-leftwing community. Sadly, the series has only just started showing in the US, so we are unlikely to get it for yonks. [continues on p. 94]

zvookster, Tuesday, 25 January 2011 11:07 (thirteen years ago) link

It's a very very long way down the front page to the extent that going 'FRONT PAGE' is a little excessive.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 25 January 2011 11:09 (thirteen years ago) link

fair enough, it is below "the inside track: HARD BEDS". still too prominent imo.

joe, Tuesday, 25 January 2011 11:15 (thirteen years ago) link

Oh, the Guard comments on the Lauren Laverne amount to "no evidence of wit" from some kettles.

Mark G, Tuesday, 25 January 2011 11:21 (thirteen years ago) link

I assumed they stuck it there for SEO purposes rather than because they really think Laura Barton's opinion on Lauren Laverne is as important as Palestine.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 25 January 2011 11:27 (thirteen years ago) link

I realise it's flagrant zingbait but I'm quite intrigued by the Portlandia thing (which I am reading abt for the first time in the quoted post above), if only because the late-teen versh of myself would be terribly disappointed otherwise

nothing tastes as good as zingy feels (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 12:23 (thirteen years ago) link

it wasn't so much the show as the paragraph hurting my eyes

zvookster, Tuesday, 25 January 2011 12:27 (thirteen years ago) link

yes. she also says 'those of us on this side of the pond' which I think Mark S banned a long time ago

the pinefox, Tuesday, 25 January 2011 12:42 (thirteen years ago) link

She makes a very valid point about Lauren's deployment versus her experience on 10 O'Clock - the 'hawt blonde sidekick OTMing the nerds' space she currently fills there needs fixing, STAT.

pwn de floor (suzy), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 12:47 (thirteen years ago) link

My suggestions for fixing The 10 O'Clock Show mostly involve a rocket and the sun.

Cars and Freedom (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 12:50 (thirteen years ago) link

good call

Jefferson Mansplain (DG), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 14:01 (thirteen years ago) link

Oh dear...

Guardian media commentator Roy Greenslade gave it to The Sun with both barrels this morning over its “failure” to run the news that Sky sports pundits Richard Keys and Andy Gray had been axed in a row over off-air sexist comments.

“…the editor, Dominic Mohan, got it hopelessly wrong. By ignoring the story, he tends to prove the theory that Murdoch’s papers dance to Murdoch’s tune.”

Axegrinder understands that there was much hilarity at Wapping when perplexed hacks realised that Roy must have been reading an Irish edition of The Sun which was missing the Sky Sports tale. Sun readers elsewhere will have seen that the story was in fact splashed across pages one, four and five.

Roy’s misfiring blog post disappeared shortly after the mishap was pointed out. But it has not disappeared from the internet completely, you can see a version of it here.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 25 January 2011 14:03 (thirteen years ago) link

"Get 'Em Off" was the Sun headline, I believe

Tom A. (Tom B.) (Tom C.) (Tom D.), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 14:07 (thirteen years ago) link

has anyone ever described a man as "whip-smart"? also who is the "we" that barton refers to.

btw have we had a thread about that awful show yet? i can't think of a worse example of "omg ur soooo right, u should be president, i agree with u cos it makes me smart" bullshit than putting brooker and mitchell on a c4 show.

I see what this is (Local Garda), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 16:11 (thirteen years ago) link

It's on a thread about the 11 o'clock show, I think.

ailsa, Tuesday, 25 January 2011 16:12 (thirteen years ago) link

has anyone ever described a man as "whip-smart"?

HA. Henry Root used to make the same running observation about the use of "corrosively intelligent" which only applies to actresses apparently.

Cars and Freedom (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 16:14 (thirteen years ago) link

in a way it is worse for The Sun to hypocritically decry sexism. in a way.

idgi fridays (blueski), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 16:15 (thirteen years ago) link

pretty funny given what barton's saying in the piece, "whip-smart" is such a cutesy twee term. why wouldn't you just say "smart"? why "whip-smart"? if you wanted to call someone smart you'd say they're smart.

I see what this is (Local Garda), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 16:17 (thirteen years ago) link

It has a head-patting ring to it, yeah, like you'd tell a 10 year-old they're "whip smart" and then give them a shiny 50p coin.

Cars and Freedom (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 16:18 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah exactly, you'd use it talking about a precocious child or something.

I see what this is (Local Garda), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 16:21 (thirteen years ago) link

http://www.fti.asn.au/blogs/production-support-report/juno.jpg

the pinefox, Tuesday, 25 January 2011 16:59 (thirteen years ago) link

i think it's ok to say 'whip-smart'

read before patoing (history mayne), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 17:00 (thirteen years ago) link

and like, yeah it's on the 'front page' of the internet but way far down and laura barton is one of their main writers. the big headline they have up is about a pay-channel football commentator getting the sack, so, you know...

read before patoing (history mayne), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 17:05 (thirteen years ago) link

Axegrinder understands that there was much hilarity at Wapping when perplexed hacks realised that Roy must have been reading an Irish edition of The Sun which was missing the Sky Sports tale. Sun readers elsewhere will have seen that the story was in fact splashed across pages one, four and five.

Roy’s misfiring blog post disappeared shortly after the mishap was pointed out. But it has not disappeared from the internet completely, you can see a version of it here.

also most of this stuff has been leaked by sky news.

andy gray is one of the potential litigants in the notw phone hacking thing. cynical, or just being honest?

caek, Tuesday, 25 January 2011 20:14 (thirteen years ago) link

For all the celebrity bollocks they go on for, the Guardian could now realistically claim to be the best newspaper in the anglophone world. Which means, of course, the world.

The New Dirty Vicar, Tuesday, 25 January 2011 21:10 (thirteen years ago) link

least worst

Jefferson Mansplain (DG), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 21:53 (thirteen years ago) link

least worst might be right, but still.

The New Dirty Vicar, Wednesday, 26 January 2011 01:39 (thirteen years ago) link

Usually, the media would be going "this is going too far, no-one can compliment a woman now for fear of getting sacked", but ooh, it's Murdoch effectively doing the sacking, so....

Mark G, Wednesday, 26 January 2011 09:32 (thirteen years ago) link

apparently mMurdoch is also now NEGOTIATING with government about whether he gets his Sky deal.

not, government is going to make a ruling which will then be followed - but, government is going to NEGOTIATE outcome with Murdoch.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 26 January 2011 10:57 (thirteen years ago) link

So it's "um, if we say no, can we still be pals?"

Mark G, Wednesday, 26 January 2011 10:58 (thirteen years ago) link

Murdoch's support couldn't even buy them an election victory, don't see why they're obliged to bend over for him.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 26 January 2011 11:00 (thirteen years ago) link

I'm shocked by how old Murdoch looks now. He's lost so much hair that he's finally had "the haircut".

progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 11:45 (thirteen years ago) link

I'm wondering what's going to happen when he dies, whether the country and its media and politics will get better or whether the army of mini-Murdochs is too entrenched now. He does seem to wield an enormous amount of personal power that I can't quite see anyone else replicating.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 26 January 2011 11:46 (thirteen years ago) link

Think someone needs to incept James Murdoch.

Stevie T, Wednesday, 26 January 2011 11:51 (thirteen years ago) link

Osama Hamdan is head of the Hamas international relations department

Jefferson Mansplain (DG), Wednesday, 26 January 2011 13:36 (thirteen years ago) link


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