Riddle me this, Batman: How come everybody found it so acceptable to make fun of Terri Schiavo?

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The thing was that you left NO room for any other type of humor, and when confronted with humor that didn't fit into your theory, you tried to awkwardly shoehorn it in.

()ops (()()ps), Friday, 1 April 2005 20:40 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't think so. I mean the Seinfeld "what's up with toothpaste" thing is so clearly a combination of absurdism ("who gets wound up about toothpaste?") and his suffering ("haha! look how wound up he is about toothpaste!") I didn't feel the need to elaborate very far. As far as the Carlin stuff goes, no one gave me any specific reference points as to his material, so I just kinda jokingly played along. Sorry if I didn't make these points too clearly.

As for the "pissing in my chicken" thing - some people WOULD find it funny (ever seen a Farrelly Bros movie? A South Park episode? TV Funhouse?), and it would be funny because of my reaction to it/how I dealt with suffering the humiliation, etc. Would I personally be laughing? No, obviously not, but that's because it would be happening to ME and not someone ELSE (ie, no emotional distance).

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 1 April 2005 20:44 (nineteen years ago) link

I feel like I'm explaining 2+2 here...

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 1 April 2005 20:45 (nineteen years ago) link

so, like, with a play on words, we're laughing at the suffering of linguists??

that is not why seinfeld stuff is funny. "it's funny cause it's true" ring a bell?

re: racial jokes, you can't say a particular joke is funny cause racial stereotypes have hurt people. okay you can say that, i'll just think you're full of shit. again "it's funny cause it's true".

()ops (()()ps), Friday, 1 April 2005 20:49 (nineteen years ago) link

no you're explaining 2 +2=4 and adding that that is the only way to obtain a sum of 4.

()ops (()()ps), Friday, 1 April 2005 20:51 (nineteen years ago) link

"that is not why seinfeld stuff is funny. "it's funny cause it's true" ring a bell?"

but this is just an extension of exaggerating the absurdity of whatever daily-life minutiae (in this case toothpaste) is being targeted. "its funny cuz its true because toothpaste really IS fucking bizarre! what's up with that!"

plays on language = nonsense, obviously. See Lewis Carrol. Or Ogden Nash.

(yes, I know I'm being reductionist in my analysis here - but only because complaining about offensive jokes cuts to the heart of why people find anything funny at all.)

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 1 April 2005 20:59 (nineteen years ago) link

but the family .. I just can't blame them.
i can, and i do.
an analogy:

Another analogy. Your wife/child is about to die. You can make a pact with the devil to keep her alive. It's a bad choice, but you might be tempted to make it, for the right reason.

They were using ever resource available in a life or death matter. I don't think they made wise choices, but I do think their ultimate intentions were for their daughter and not to be media whores.

But your point is well taken that they did make horrible decisions.

dave225 (Dave225), Friday, 1 April 2005 21:00 (nineteen years ago) link

like i said, you can call anything absurd/nonsensical if you want to.

()ops (()()ps), Friday, 1 April 2005 21:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Oops, that's absurd!

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 1 April 2005 21:02 (nineteen years ago) link

that is not why seinfeld stuff is funny. "it's funny cause it's true" ring a bell?

Assuming facts not in evidence. 90% of Seinfeld isn't funny to me.

M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 1 April 2005 21:05 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm also mystified that any fan of Seinfeld, and particularly his show, can't register that his entire schtick is based on a) suffering from neuroses and b) being cruel to others.

(and fwiw, I don't find Seinfeld funny at all. But I can see why other people do.)

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 1 April 2005 21:06 (nineteen years ago) link

Here's an example of laughing at others' suffering from the Oakland thread:

A friend of ours who owns a house in West Oakland heard gunshots last month and later found out there was a shooting in the house over the street. Then a week later, they heard gunshots in the house NEXT DOOR and it turns out that a 15 year-old girl had witnessed the first shooting, so they broke into her house and shot her through the hand and the foot in retaliation.
He's thinking of selling.

-- Airtube (adamr...) (webmail), April 1st, 2005 1:44 PM. (nordicskilla) (later)

M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 1 April 2005 21:07 (nineteen years ago) link

whoa I'm not a fan of Seifeld the stand-up.
his entire schtick is based upon focusing on the banal things in life that most everyone has had experience with, and saying "what's the deal with X" a lot.
but whatever, you're right*. the entire realm of humor can be condensed into two neat little categories.

*but you aren't.

()ops (()()ps), Friday, 1 April 2005 21:11 (nineteen years ago) link

what if i were to do the robot? that's absurd, right? cause we all know humans aren't really robots!!! it doesn't make sense!

()ops (()()ps), Friday, 1 April 2005 21:13 (nineteen years ago) link

"his entire schtick is based upon focusing on the banal things in life"

uh, have you SEEN the last episode of Seinfeld, where they all get thrown in jail because they've been such assholes over the duration of the entire show? It's not all observational humor - a lot of times it's about taking those observations to an *ahem* absurd level and making other people (or himself) suffer as a result.

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 1 April 2005 21:15 (nineteen years ago) link

"what if i were to do the robot?"

but this is just a premise, not a joke. Now, say you were a porn-chasin, booze-drinkin, pathological liar robot and we're halfway to a TV series...

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 1 April 2005 21:16 (nineteen years ago) link

uh delete that last post, I misread yr post. Doing the robot IS funny!

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 1 April 2005 21:17 (nineteen years ago) link

There's this silly meme in life, especially in American life wherein everybody believes that if you stay optimistic, if you pray really hard or say 'I believe in fairies' that everything will turn out OK and Tinkerbell won't die. It's childish and lends itself sickeningly to an American exceptionalism that thinks that over here everything is for the best in the best of all possible worlds by eliding or stubbornly ignoring all the suffering and injustice that make us just like the rest of the world. This happened during the Schiavo ordeal and now those people are going to have to find who stabbed us in the back and made us lose the war killed Terri and pillory the fuck out of them even if they have to wipe their asses on the Constitution to do it.

M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 1 April 2005 21:25 (nineteen years ago) link


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