(xp) there must be a post you can think of that just doesn't reference aids at all. i don't find it anything more than something to roll my eyes at, but there's more than one aids survivor - that i'm even aware of - on ilx
― ☜(⌒▽⌒)☞ (jeff), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 04:12 (thirteen years ago) link
pretty prominent video, but the guy is a complete ass in thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_3g4QPojMc
― heh (kelpolaris), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 04:13 (thirteen years ago) link
I mean here's this dude vehemently against hipsters and he accuses some 14 year old kid of not knowing enough about "good music".
― heh (kelpolaris), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 04:15 (thirteen years ago) link
^^^^^
Wow, that 1984 clip brings back all my mixed feelings about Black Flag at the time.
I will say this: Not all social behavior on the other side of decent is equally bad, and that kind of confrontational narcissism is both very '84 punk and very sociable in its stunted way--the idea of putting it all out there (including prejudices), making people defend themselves, snapping them out of politeness, challenging received thinking, etc. If there are less healthy impulses mixed in (aggressiveness, asking questions so loaded you couldn't possibly want an answer), that only shows the risks of living too long on the other side.
The reason the kid isn't too shocked is he's used it. (Even Henry touching his hair is very slam-pit, somewhere between tenderness and a prelude to a fight.) He runs the interview in that same play-acting way until the tables get turned, and obviously doesn't know what to make of Kira, who's unacculturated enough to think she's being interviewed. And as if to confirm Henry's paranoia, he invokes the common, automated critique of Black Flag at the time--that they were playing "heavy metal," "selling out," not playing "TV Party" etc.
So I don't see a bully and a kid, I see a bunch of kids trying to figure out who they are in a radical situation. And there's a bit of punk culture-clash in the New York footage too, where, what, these women are surprised Henry Rollins is baiting them with whatever demons lurk in his head rather than asking them questions and getting to know them after they yell, "Get in the van!"?
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― no pop, no style -- all simply (Viceroy), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 04:22 (thirteen years ago) link
Punk attitude confuses the hell out of me. It's a rebellion against everything, including itself, so it's hard for me to tell when somebody is acting punk... or being punk in the face of perceived notions of punk? I don't know.
― heh (kelpolaris), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 04:56 (thirteen years ago) link
being in black flag, for many people in the group (not least rollins, treated like a human ashtray by some in the audience), seemed to be about positioning yourself in opposition to everything, including your fans.
― this guy ☜ (stevie), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 08:54 (thirteen years ago) link
and a lot of their behaviour, imho, is down to being pretty damaged people in their own right, participating in a project that wasn't designed as a healing process, if that makes sense.
― this guy ☜ (stevie), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 08:55 (thirteen years ago) link
but talking about how "elitist" a store is
tbh, I thought he was being reasonably non-sarcastic here.
― Mark G, Wednesday, 5 January 2011 09:23 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah sorry jeff that was my bad! stupid schoolyard slang
― max bro'd (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 17:22 (thirteen years ago) link
― heh (kelpolaris), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 04:56 (12 hours ago)
don't get rollins at all, just seems awful, his obscure logic and weird emo roidhead persona
― max bro'd (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 17:25 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-xMkHgan0Y
― Moka, Wednesday, 9 October 2013 06:40 (ten years ago) link
thing abt fucking w rollins is if youre into his music u kno hes like a rattlesnake
those ladies and the kid above kno who theyre dealing w and probably anticipated some confrontation with their comments (ladies: ha u wrote that book man; boy: going heavy metal eh fellas?) which is probably how they got their kicks, the boy handled himself rly well and trolled him back good tho
so yes rollins is/was a douche but i mean why taunt the guy unless you want to put up w his dickish antics
taunting him even slightly knowing how easily u can wind him up also makes u a bit of a douche tho not as much as rollins sure
but people liked to push rollins' buttons
heres a fun one by my man nardwuar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rt8i4lStIxg
― infinity (∞), Saturday, 30 December 2017 20:03 (six years ago) link