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i wish wiz did more like the laid back style he occasionally does, instead of the laid back style he does too often - ya 'erd?

in a weird way i think deej is right, this old ass cormega album i've been listening to me actually reminds me of jacka

i don't like Wiz when he's singing hooks like that, i don't like what Snoop does with the chorus either
that song isn't that good

man cormega i love u

i specialize in war
now it's time to blow
mama, show 'em how to use a fuckin' four-four

i think that wiz & snoop song is dope, in the vein of the good stuff on kush & oj

yeah cormega is def a big influence on jacka. they have even done songs together iirc?

since the early 00s

'the jack artist' lp shows even more cormega influence

anyway street album has so much great stuff on it ... m@tt hasnt even mentioned 'aspen' or 'addiction'!

yeah it's solid p much all the way through...though i like the laid back spooky stuff the most

i think that wiz & snoop song is dope, in the vein of the good stuff on kush & oj

― *gets the power* (deej), Tuesday, January 18, 2011 11:41 AM (14 minutes ago)

yeah wiz is basically a black hole for me but i dig this song

husalah's 'hustlin since the 80s'

^cosign this one, got into it about a month ago and it's one of the best rap albums i've heard in a while. some really stunning songs on it

im not sure i get the 'black hole' stuff, i know this is al's line on him too, but it seems to me hes a dude who lives or dies by the ability of the song to capture that wistful stoner vibe. his raps are straightforward, he stays in his own lane...i dont get black hole, i just get 'very safe.' when the production or hook is trash, he is. but when it works, its hard to find something to criticize. stuff like "mesmerized" -- which basically epitomizes what makes him work, IMO -- are really pretty great

i mean wiz will never be a 'great rapper' to me, but he seems like a hard one to hate for the same reason

he's just an incredibly stiff MC, even on his good songs. i have no problem liking songs by him ("black and yellow", that snoop song), but it's never the rapping that engages me. diddy outraps him on their song together

yeah i don't hate him, but if you're gonna be so monotone you better at least have some skills. he's just kinda whatever

i dont think hes stiff at all tho! hes really good at sounding congruent & smooth, relaxed. skills isnt the point -- hes too busy stealing your girl & smoking weed to worry abt skills.

Huslin Since Da 80's is so great. I really dig that trick with the William Blake sample on it.

I don't feel that Snoop track is on par with the better tracks on K&OJ....but maybe I just hate every song with Snoop on it nowadays. yeah it's a shame huh

i still say Wiz and Wale sound really alike, i thought hearing them more would make it easier to distinguish their voices from each other but more and more i'll turn on the radio and if one of them is on a song i don't immediately recognize it'll take me 5-10 seconds to figure out which it is (i think one time i actually heard Wale's "No Hands" verse and for a sec thought they did a remix of it w/ Wiz)...they both have the same basic weaknesses, wouldn't say they sound 'stiff' but that kind of straining vocal tone, like they're pushing the words out, i find really irksome, and the way they'll kind of stretch out words at the end of lines and emphasize when words don't even rhyme, like they're flaunting how sloppy their lyrics are (Wale's "problem/New Orrr-leeeens" vs. Wiz's "big faces/tayyy-lorrrr"). i haven't heard a lot of Wiz's mixtape stuff so i don't even think of him as some mellow wistful stoner, he's just this guy who sounds really uncomfortable on the mic on flashy radio songs.

i think wiz is totally great on this song

what 'flashy radio songs'? just black & yellow? wiz's other hits are all the stoner-y stuff. (& he sounds 100% engaged on 'black & yellow'!) yeah i mean i cant disagree more w/ youre evaluation of it, & the stuff about their vocal inflections is obv subjective but to me it sounds really random. 'straining vocal tone'? i just dont hear it \oO/

the admittedly small and probably unrepresentative amount of stuff i've heard that i'm basing my opinion of Wiz on: Say Yeah, Black & Yellow, the Diddy feature, Super High and Bottoms Up remixes, This Plane

i dont hear 'uncomfortable on the mic' on 'say yeah' or 'black and yellow' -- if anything, he makes sure his lyrics are way straightforward so its impossible to sound anything but comfortable. he doesn't really stretch out or try tricky rhythms or rhymes, just goes for being as comprehensible as possible

i mean, i guess if you have some kind of pavlovian thing w/ the tone of his voice theres nothing really to argue about here tho

i can hear the stiff thing -- his rapping is def very measured & stilted, but that doesn't really bother me at all

more new flocka

http://tumblinerb.com/post/2812292187/waka-flocka-flame-bringing-gangsta-back-brick

the way i see it, most rappers worth listening to either have a really natural or appealing vocal tone and just sound good on records in an effortless way, and if they don't they work hard enough at technique and lyrics to make up for it, and imo wiz has neither.

otm^^

i guess for me that feels too restrictive, or gives working 'hard enough at technique' too much credit. his personality comes thru effectively & i think hes totally competent from a technical standpoint, its just that he doesnt have much to say that feels like a real limitation. w/in his narrow band, i think hes got some great songs tho.

he's competent, sure, just not more than that imo. what is his personality? rapper guy who likes to smoke weed? does he have a sense of humor?

having watched how high yesterday i am p certain that smoking weed and having a sense of humour are in no way connected

what? you need to smoke the ashes of thomas jefferson again, son

Wiz is more like the coolest dude ever, all the chicks dig him, I bet he does that stupid laugh in every song to please em. Chicks totally dig that...I don´t think that´s for the dudes right

yeah characterizing him as affable funny dude/stoner type like seth rogen or something isn't really right -- he's definitely more of a "all the women wanna be with him and all the men wanna be him" type which is an archetype that i would think is more aligned w/ being a huge pop star than some afroman type persona

yeah i'd be willing to accept him as the bret michaels of rap

yah im not sure where we started thinking he was a cut-up or something, hes def a cool guy who chicks are into.

the personality that comes thru in his rapping is basically that? like i said its a narrow band but it feels honest & uh lived in.

wale could use that kind of focus

or consistency

wale is definitely the gnarly sorta dude who doesn't seem believable in that role

wale definitely comes across more smug and more into shit that's harder to relate to than chilling and getting high but i don't know if he lacks some kind of focus wiz has. i only brought up humor because wiz seems so unserious and lighthearted buti've never heard him even attempt to say something funny.

i think the difference b/w the two is one has talents more geared towards pop stardom than the other does

i don't have a great urge to hear either rap

\oO/ again i think mesmerized or spotlight are better than any wale track ive heard, and that wiz is responsible for what makes them *work*

black & yellow feels so perfectly 'anyone could have done it' tho

there's a new A.B.N. track that's really great news

not really feeling it

ugh, sounds like a mess

deej otm and i don't get the connection between wiz and whale at all.

listen to their voices side by side, they sound really similar

They don't.