he's just an incredibly stiff MC, even on his good songs. i have no problem liking songs by him ("black and yellow", that snoop song), but it's never the rapping that engages me. diddy outraps him on their song together
― fruit of the goon (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 17:06 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah i don't hate him, but if you're gonna be so monotone you better at least have some skills. he's just kinda whatever
― fruit of the goon (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 17:07 (thirteen years ago) link
i dont think hes stiff at all tho! hes really good at sounding congruent & smooth, relaxed. skills isnt the point -- hes too busy stealing your girl & smoking weed to worry abt skills.
― *gets the power* (deej), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 17:10 (thirteen years ago) link
Huslin Since Da 80's is so great. I really dig that trick with the William Blake sample on it.
― Number None, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 17:27 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't feel that Snoop track is on par with the better tracks on K&OJ....but maybe I just hate every song with Snoop on it nowadays. yeah it's a shame huh
― rizzx, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 17:37 (thirteen years ago) link
i still say Wiz and Wale sound really alike, i thought hearing them more would make it easier to distinguish their voices from each other but more and more i'll turn on the radio and if one of them is on a song i don't immediately recognize it'll take me 5-10 seconds to figure out which it is (i think one time i actually heard Wale's "No Hands" verse and for a sec thought they did a remix of it w/ Wiz)...they both have the same basic weaknesses, wouldn't say they sound 'stiff' but that kind of straining vocal tone, like they're pushing the words out, i find really irksome, and the way they'll kind of stretch out words at the end of lines and emphasize when words don't even rhyme, like they're flaunting how sloppy their lyrics are (Wale's "problem/New Orrr-leeeens" vs. Wiz's "big faces/tayyy-lorrrr"). i haven't heard a lot of Wiz's mixtape stuff so i don't even think of him as some mellow wistful stoner, he's just this guy who sounds really uncomfortable on the mic on flashy radio songs.
― some dude, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 18:06 (thirteen years ago) link
i think wiz is totally great on this song
― hard as a markers (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 18:21 (thirteen years ago) link
what 'flashy radio songs'? just black & yellow? wiz's other hits are all the stoner-y stuff. (& he sounds 100% engaged on 'black & yellow'!) yeah i mean i cant disagree more w/ youre evaluation of it, & the stuff about their vocal inflections is obv subjective but to me it sounds really random. 'straining vocal tone'? i just dont hear it \oO/
― *gets the power* (deej), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 18:22 (thirteen years ago) link
the admittedly small and probably unrepresentative amount of stuff i've heard that i'm basing my opinion of Wiz on: Say Yeah, Black & Yellow, the Diddy feature, Super High and Bottoms Up remixes, This Plane
― some dude, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 18:25 (thirteen years ago) link
i dont hear 'uncomfortable on the mic' on 'say yeah' or 'black and yellow' -- if anything, he makes sure his lyrics are way straightforward so its impossible to sound anything but comfortable. he doesn't really stretch out or try tricky rhythms or rhymes, just goes for being as comprehensible as possible
― *gets the power* (deej), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 18:28 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean, i guess if you have some kind of pavlovian thing w/ the tone of his voice theres nothing really to argue about here tho
i can hear the stiff thing -- his rapping is def very measured & stilted, but that doesn't really bother me at all
― hard as a markers (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 18:29 (thirteen years ago) link
more new flocka
http://tumblinerb.com/post/2812292187/waka-flocka-flame-bringing-gangsta-back-brick
― hard as a markers (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 18:39 (thirteen years ago) link
the way i see it, most rappers worth listening to either have a really natural or appealing vocal tone and just sound good on records in an effortless way, and if they don't they work hard enough at technique and lyrics to make up for it, and imo wiz has neither.
― some dude, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 18:45 (thirteen years ago) link
otm^^
― fruit of the goon (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 19:26 (thirteen years ago) link
i guess for me that feels too restrictive, or gives working 'hard enough at technique' too much credit. his personality comes thru effectively & i think hes totally competent from a technical standpoint, its just that he doesnt have much to say that feels like a real limitation. w/in his narrow band, i think hes got some great songs tho.
― *gets the power* (deej), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 19:31 (thirteen years ago) link
he's competent, sure, just not more than that imo. what is his personality? rapper guy who likes to smoke weed? does he have a sense of humor?
― some dude, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 19:33 (thirteen years ago) link
having watched how high yesterday i am p certain that smoking weed and having a sense of humour are in no way connected
― "jobs" (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 19:34 (thirteen years ago) link
what? you need to smoke the ashes of thomas jefferson again, son
― dj plain ole m@tt (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 19:47 (thirteen years ago) link
Wiz is more like the coolest dude ever, all the chicks dig him, I bet he does that stupid laugh in every song to please em. Chicks totally dig that...I don´t think that´s for the dudes right
― rizzx, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 19:57 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah characterizing him as affable funny dude/stoner type like seth rogen or something isn't really right -- he's definitely more of a "all the women wanna be with him and all the men wanna be him" type which is an archetype that i would think is more aligned w/ being a huge pop star than some afroman type persona
― hard as a markers (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 20:00 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah i'd be willing to accept him as the bret michaels of rap
― some dude, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 20:00 (thirteen years ago) link
yah im not sure where we started thinking he was a cut-up or something, hes def a cool guy who chicks are into.
the personality that comes thru in his rapping is basically that? like i said its a narrow band but it feels honest & uh lived in.
― *gets the power* (deej), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 20:12 (thirteen years ago) link
wale could use that kind of focus
― *gets the power* (deej), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 20:13 (thirteen years ago) link
or consistency
wale is definitely the gnarly sorta dude who doesn't seem believable in that role
― hard as a markers (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 20:16 (thirteen years ago) link
wale definitely comes across more smug and more into shit that's harder to relate to than chilling and getting high but i don't know if he lacks some kind of focus wiz has. i only brought up humor because wiz seems so unserious and lighthearted buti've never heard him even attempt to say something funny.
― some dude, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 20:16 (thirteen years ago) link
i think the difference b/w the two is one has talents more geared towards pop stardom than the other does
― hard as a markers (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 20:18 (thirteen years ago) link
i don't have a great urge to hear either rap
― hard as a markers (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 20:19 (thirteen years ago) link
\oO/ again i think mesmerized or spotlight are better than any wale track ive heard, and that wiz is responsible for what makes them *work*
black & yellow feels so perfectly 'anyone could have done it' tho
― *gets the power* (deej), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 20:20 (thirteen years ago) link
there's a new A.B.N. track that's really great news
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 20:23 (thirteen years ago) link
not really feeling it
― zvookster, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 20:56 (thirteen years ago) link
ugh, sounds like a mess
― rizzx, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 21:13 (thirteen years ago) link
deej otm and i don't get the connection between wiz and whale at all.
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 21:30 (thirteen years ago) link
listen to their voices side by side, they sound really similar
― some dude, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 21:34 (thirteen years ago) link
They don't.
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 21:54 (thirteen years ago) link
do too.
― some dude, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 21:54 (thirteen years ago) link
http://yasik.kiev.ua/new/1288518992648%20internet%20fight.gif
― thank you based jättegod (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 21:55 (thirteen years ago) link
I guess they do have similar voices, but they rap very differently. It's like saying DMX sucks because Ja Rule does.
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 22:04 (thirteen years ago) link
its weirder than that cuz those dudes both stand out as rappers in unusual ways, whereas wale & wiz both rap in fairly standard ways
― *gets the power* (deej), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 22:08 (thirteen years ago) link
i dont get the comparison also because its obvious what appeals about wiz & how none of those things are things that wale does
― *gets the power* (deej), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 22:09 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f07pF3pfQxE
― some dude, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 22:19 (thirteen years ago) link
― The Reverend, Tuesday, January 18, 2011 5:04 PM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i don't even understand that. i'm not saying Wiz sucks because he sounds like Wale, I'm saying they both suck in similar ways in addition to sounding alike.
― some dude, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 22:20 (thirteen years ago) link
also Ja's whole image and sound was cultivated in X's shadow and the comparison was as much about that as about voices or delivery, that's not the basis of comparison at all here
― some dude, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 22:21 (thirteen years ago) link
― *gets the power* (deej), Tuesday, January 18, 2011 5:09 PM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
the media and their fanbases haven't set up any comparison between between them before based on their careers or images or subject matter, don't know why i can't introduce on based on something as arbitrary and insubstantial as the actual sound of their voices
― some dude, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 22:26 (thirteen years ago) link
Basically, Whale sounds like a dork trying to be down with the cool kids and Wiz does not.
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 22:33 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah guess it comes down to Wiz sounds like a dork to me too
― some dude, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 22:34 (thirteen years ago) link
i don't know who this rapper is but this is the "theme" from Longmont Potion Castle Volume 8
outsider rap from slidell, louisiana with an obvious hot boys flow. this is weird
also features EDDIE MONEY (not kidding, he's the guy who goes "I just picked up this number somebody calls me who's this")
http://hulkshare.com/7jqj0nn9tfkj
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 23:46 (thirteen years ago) link
have you guys heard snoop's verse on thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnABZM83hqg
― gr8080, Wednesday, 19 January 2011 01:08 (thirteen years ago) link
not really fucking with
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_196naQ_aY
― zvookster, Wednesday, 19 January 2011 01:31 (thirteen years ago) link