The Breakfast Club: classic or dud?

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Ally Sheedy, who looked perfectly cute as the psycho girl, has to be "prettied up" with makeup and stuff by Molly to get the others to notice her. BLEH.

Rick Moody wrote a whole article perving on Ally Sheedy's character in the Breakfast Club and ranting about how her makeover destroyed the film.

I'm really kind of indifferent to this movie, which is odd because most people I know either love it or loathe it.

Nicole (Nicole), Friday, 22 November 2002 14:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

We had another thread on this, I definitely remember, because the witches coven (the usual suspects, I think? Me, Suzy, Ally, Nicole, Mel, I'm guessing?) had a go at the goffgirl makeover.

Of COURSE Bender left the princess in the movie. The transience of teenage love was part of the point. I bet he pawned the diamond for drugs, as well. Only part of his appeal...

kate, Friday, 22 November 2002 14:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

Its one of the great ideology vs ethics movies. The film is anti-authoritarian in the rebellion of the teens (as they are not adults this is where the power struggle is vested). WHen they do win out over the power struggle they grapple to make their own identity, which is to ape the values and ideals of the authority they have seemingly usurped. This is in a lot of ways the masterstroke of the movie - viewers can watch it not only as a satire on US society (hence the very broad brush strokes of the the archetypal characters) but a parody of "Movie Of The Week" style films where everyone learns a lesson.

And it has the stupidest excuse for a dance sequence evah!

Pete (Pete), Friday, 22 November 2002 14:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

ilx pumps my nads.

Chris V. (Chris V), Friday, 22 November 2002 14:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

for years I either saw only edited versions of the movie or just missed the dance part, so I never knew that the reason they were dancing was the pot! I'm not sure how much more stupid that made the dance scene seem, though.

Josh (Josh), Friday, 22 November 2002 14:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

What was the deal with that makeover? It made her look like a bad drag queen.

Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 22 November 2002 15:24 (twenty-one years ago) link

i know, she was super hot until they fucked her up with that headband. it's sort of realistic - lots of high school girls still don't have the most outstanding make-up skills

they were dancing because of the pot AND THE RAWK

ron (ron), Friday, 22 November 2002 15:31 (twenty-one years ago) link

and the nad pumping.

Chris V. (Chris V), Friday, 22 November 2002 15:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

Let it be said that perhaps 90% of the reason why I hate this film is of course THE THEME SONG FROM HELL. But there's not much else positive to be said about it as well. I just remember being severely disinterested by this when it came out (when I was what, fourteen?).

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 22 November 2002 15:53 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ned hates fun.

The makeover section was funny precisely because of THE HEADBAND FROM HELL. Man, I loved that.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 22 November 2002 16:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ned hates fun.

ARGH. No I don't, I hate this stupid phrase! Worst ILX meme of 2002.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 22 November 2002 16:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

viewers can watch it not only as a satire on US society (hence the very broad brush strokes of the the archetypal characters) but a parody of "Movie Of The Week" style films where everyone learns a lesson.

Hmmm. I can see how one might view it as a parody (due to the previously mentioned points), but it would be a big stretch to think that that was John Hughes's intention. That's what bothers me, and therefore I can't view it truly as a parody. The last shot is of Judd throwing his fist into the air, as if to declare victory...hooray, we broke down the barriers, I hooked up with a princess, blah blah. But really, they've accomplished little and learned little. I think the filmmakers really want the viewers to believe that it ends in triumph. If it was intended as a parody, then yes, that changes things. (I don't think John Hughes is that clever, though)

Ernest P. (ernestp), Friday, 22 November 2002 16:24 (twenty-one years ago) link

he was not 30 when he made that !!!
...was he ?

jesus i loved it at 18.
esp. the one long take in the scene where
they sit on the flaw and andrew talks about
taping larry lester (?)'s buns together.

quite why smoking pot makes windows shatter and people
smoking it scream tho i dont know.

all round classic-o.

it was cut to ribbons the first few times on uk tv,
even on moviedrome on bbc2.

love the fact also that in 84 a
rebellious n freaky girl
should be reading from the
1999 album cover to demonstrate
rebel freakiness.


piscesboy, Friday, 22 November 2002 16:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

Hooray for a good movie (and a great theme song! um, 90% of why the movie's so good). I think it's universally believed that Ally Sheedy's makeover makes her look worse. She reminds me of Bjork before the makeover = clearly better

Vinnie (vprabhu), Friday, 22 November 2002 18:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

Judd Nelson: born 28 November 1959. He was 26.

teeny (teeny), Friday, 22 November 2002 18:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

I hate this stupid phrase!

PROVEN BY SCIENCE!

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 22 November 2002 19:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

Bah!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 22 November 2002 19:31 (twenty-one years ago) link

''Rick Moody wrote a whole article perving on Ally Sheedy's character in the Breakfast Club and ranting about how her makeover destroyed the film.''

hehe...that must've been a grate movie rev. was it sinker in disguise?

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 23 November 2002 14:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

"1) They're all supposed to be friends and stuff toward the end, but then they stick the job of writing their essays on the GEEK. What's that all about? (And, the poor geek doesn't get to hook up with anyone. No justice.)"

The geek is really excited about writing a great essay.

"who thinks that the relationship between Molly and Judd will last, oh, a week or less?"

Yeah, maybe, but the movie tagline is:
They only met once, but it changed their lives forever.

(the Bowie quote at the beginning is cool too)

A Nairn (moretap), Saturday, 23 November 2002 16:30 (twenty-one years ago) link

one of the funny things is how they're supposed to be so different, but they're all just suburban white american kids. i know it feels that way when yr in high school though

ron (ron), Saturday, 23 November 2002 17:05 (twenty-one years ago) link

It doesn't seem (to me) like the sort of movie I would like, or even that I would have gone to see, but I liked it. Haven't seen it for years, however.

Rockist Scientsist, Saturday, 23 November 2002 17:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

I wrote an essay about TBC during my first year at uni. Needless to say, it was rubbish, but I think the gist of it was yes, the kids do rebel but only in a rather conformist way, and that they were encouraged to trangress (can't remember by who(m)) in a way that didn't actually endanger/challenge/alter anything. I think. Smoking 'pot' and dancing to bad records does not a rebel make, although looking up girls' skirts is pretty naughty and rather fun. See? I still haven't sorted my argument out....

Madeleine (Madeleine), Saturday, 23 November 2002 18:24 (twenty-one years ago) link

Worst ILX meme of 2002.

Ned hates fun = fremma neppa venette

by science, of course.

J (Jay), Saturday, 23 November 2002 18:31 (twenty-one years ago) link

Remind me not to thank you.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 23 November 2002 21:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

i invented the hates fun meme

s trife (simon_tr), Saturday, 23 November 2002 21:30 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yes, but did you invent THE REMIX?

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Saturday, 23 November 2002 23:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

anthony michael hall !!!!!!

erik, Sunday, 24 November 2002 10:36 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'm not so good at reminders, but I'll try.

J (Jay), Sunday, 24 November 2002 16:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

can people please stop mentioning Grease on a thread about a good film, jesus, Grease is the absolute worst film ever made, a berth it shares with Dirty Dancing. As I've said a thousand times before.

chris (chris), Sunday, 24 November 2002 17:45 (twenty-one years ago) link

thats ridiculous, grease is great, it has FRENCHY

ron (ron), Sunday, 24 November 2002 18:56 (twenty-one years ago) link

Grease is good, if only for the camp Travolta "Ew" before the climactic line of 'Summer Nights'. Far better than TBC, though both are depressingly conservative.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 24 November 2002 21:25 (twenty-one years ago) link

one year passes...
"Larry Lester from PE

Larry is not depicted in the film, but he is the reason that Andrew is spending time in detention. Larry had his butt cheeks taped together by Andrew as part of an attempt to emulate some of the wild stuff his father said he always did in school. Andrew feels sorry that Larry will have to experience extreme shame when he tells his father what happened to him."

from movieprop.com

Remember the Victims, Wednesday, 4 February 2004 10:26 (twenty years ago) link

why was there ever any question about this?

g-kit (g-kit), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 12:05 (twenty years ago) link

three weeks pass...
for any of you that haven't seen the Club FT thread

The Return of Club Freaky Trigger, Wednesday 24th March

can i just point out that 4 weeks today (24 march 2004) is TWENTY YEARS since the day spent in detention.

we're having a party, what are YOU doing?

(i may even dress as bender, although probably not)

CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Wednesday, 25 February 2004 14:08 (twenty years ago) link

must resist...........

chris (chris), Wednesday, 25 February 2004 14:19 (twenty years ago) link

"It's unavoidable, it just happens."

celeste (Celeste), Wednesday, 25 February 2004 14:36 (twenty years ago) link

Bender now works for the government

TOMBOT, Wednesday, 25 February 2004 15:11 (twenty years ago) link

does he use the momus computer?

kephm, Wednesday, 25 February 2004 15:13 (twenty years ago) link

Cheetara

El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Wednesday, 25 February 2004 15:16 (twenty years ago) link

Wrong thread.

Matt (Matt), Wednesday, 25 February 2004 15:16 (twenty years ago) link

Yay! Carsmile brings weed!

I want a makeover. I'm coming as Ally Sheedy.

Dave B (daveb), Wednesday, 25 February 2004 15:25 (twenty years ago) link

There is absolutely no context in which the word "Cheetara" can be used wrongly.

Allyzay, Wednesday, 25 February 2004 16:01 (twenty years ago) link

Fair point.

Matt (Matt), Wednesday, 25 February 2004 16:04 (twenty years ago) link

*googles, scratches head* Did I ever actually see Thundercats? I guess not.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 25 February 2004 16:11 (twenty years ago) link

WHAT IN THE JESUS CHRIST BATFUCK HOLY CRAP IS WRONG WITH YOU?

Allyzay, Wednesday, 25 February 2004 16:13 (twenty years ago) link

Well, it sounds sorta familiar but I can't remember anything about it.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 25 February 2004 16:16 (twenty years ago) link

That is seriously the saddest thing I've ever heard.

Allyzay, Wednesday, 25 February 2004 16:19 (twenty years ago) link

There is absolutely no context in which the word "Cheetara" can be used wrongly.

If the question is 'which character in Thunderbirds is the ever-living one'? then using 'Cheetara' would be very wrong indeed.

Dave B (daveb), Wednesday, 25 February 2004 16:20 (twenty years ago) link

Hmmm. That's a good point. If the question was "Which character in Thunderbirds had huge, ludicrious knockers not belonging to a cat or possibly any natural human" though, it would be entirely correct.

Allyzay, Wednesday, 25 February 2004 16:21 (twenty years ago) link

Cheetara Abyssinians! Which is nothing to do with Thundercats but you do get a picture of an ancient Egyptian cat attacking a bird if you scroll down a bit.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 25 February 2004 16:27 (twenty years ago) link

For some reason I'd never seen this film before now, and I quite liked it, but what the fuck is up with the ending? For most of the film it tries to build a sort of a realistic picture of teenagers' problems, but in the end... love just solves everything? What about the rebel guy's dysfunctional home life? And the goth girl becomes happy just by putting on "normal" make up and kissing the jock guy, all of which happens almost totally out of blue? So everyone ends up happy, except maybe the geek guy, because in the end he still doesn't have anyone. Seriously, this felt like one of the most tacked-on happy endings ever. Pretty in Pink was kinda similar, a down-to-earth teen film with a forced happy ending for everyone. Is this a John Hughes trademark or something?

Tuomas, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 07:55 (sixteen years ago) link

First of, this is a movie, we're not looking for realism. Secondly I didn't think the ending was that farfetched. True it seemed a happy ending, and it was, but you/they all know that the next day they will all go back to what it was before (ignoring eachother and shit). It's like a great party but you know that the next day you'll sober and return to what it was. You never experienced that when you were a teenager? It's like a bubble and the next day it evaporates.

nathalie, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 08:45 (sixteen years ago) link

First of, this is a movie, we're not looking for realism.

You realize filmmakers can choose between different aesthetics? In this case they chose to make most of the film in down-key and non-romanticized way, which is why the upbeat, romantic ending feels out place. As for the next day, I'm not so sure about it. Of course the fact that the ending is relatively open lets the viewer decide what happens next day, but the way the last scenes are framed doesn't imply that everything will be the same, rather than that things will actually change. Also, regardless of what happens after ending, the sudden relationship between the goth girl and the jock felt tacked-on, and it was kinda sad that the film seemed to say the only way she can become happy is through conformity.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 09:10 (sixteen years ago) link

nathalie OTM, i think. i see it not so much as "but in the end... love just solves everything" as "for a night, some teenage approximation of love can make it all so much better". you know it won't last; nothing ever can, not forever. but something has changed, in all of them, and that's what matters.

</cheese>

put it this way: i vastly prefer this happy ending to "it's a wonderful life", which enraged me enormously ... but i stand alone on that one, i think ;)

grimly fiendish, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 14:32 (sixteen years ago) link

(and yes, i know the happy ending is the whole POINT of IAWL, but i still think it sucks trite dick.)

grimly fiendish, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 14:33 (sixteen years ago) link

grimly, if IAWL didn't end like it does, anyone who'd sat thru the preceding 2 hours of "hi george bailey, for you life will be an endless accumulation of disappointments and shit" would surely elect to kill themselves!

stevie, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 14:35 (sixteen years ago) link

i dunno. i kinda thought HEY THIS FILM IS TELLING IT LIKE IT IS! and was then bitterly disappointed by all the happiness.

that said: this was many years ago, and i'm less of a miserable fuck these days. still ...

grimly fiendish, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 14:36 (sixteen years ago) link

LESS BREAKFAST CLUB, MORE CHEETARA HORRORSHOW

HI DERE, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 14:37 (sixteen years ago) link

I love this movie but also agree that the ending is ridiculous, or at least the Ally Sheedy - Emilio Estevez part is ridiculous.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 23 October 2007 14:42 (sixteen years ago) link

look all john hughes is saying is that the poor rebel really wants to be wanted by the rich princess and the freaky girl really wants to be wanted by the jock. everyone in high school wants to be rich and popular and pretty. the end.

sunny successor, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 14:47 (sixteen years ago) link

The sad thing is that it's almost true; everyone in high school wants to be rich and popular and pretty on their own terms.

HI DERE, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 14:49 (sixteen years ago) link

That is also true.

HI DERE, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 15:00 (sixteen years ago) link

all of which happens almost totally out of blue

According to imdb's front page today:

Universal trimmed nearly an hour off of this classic '80s teen movie, and its writer-director possesses the only complete, uncut version of the film.

So maybe a director's cut will explain what really happened.

nate woolls, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 15:16 (sixteen years ago) link

ie, poppage

HI DERE, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 15:19 (sixteen years ago) link

fuck no, i want another solid hour of fascist-teacher lollage

grimly fiendish, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 15:30 (sixteen years ago) link

I'd love to see a director's cut! I think for most part the interaction between the protagonists was quite interesting for a teen film, it was only the ending that I found kinda silly.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 15:43 (sixteen years ago) link

I loved the monologues but they would have been better if they had all been delivered while the characters were dressed as Thundercats.

HI DERE, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 15:44 (sixteen years ago) link

What Molly Ringwald does to Ally Sheedy at the end is unforgivable. I wish Ally had stuck a piece of big fucking piece of dandruff in Molly's eye.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 15:47 (sixteen years ago) link

it would be awesome in this movie after they smoke pot Emilio Estivez wrestled with all of the Thundercats

Mr. Que, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 15:48 (sixteen years ago) link

oMIGOD THEY'RE THE SAME PERSON!

Tuomas, Wednesday, 24 October 2007 07:22 (sixteen years ago) link

I never knew he died! He was brilliant in Trading Places. That "fuck off" while he's on the phone is one of my favourite film moments ever.

nate woolls, Wednesday, 24 October 2007 07:28 (sixteen years ago) link

two years pass...

"why are you being so nice to me?"
"cause you're letting me"

cutest exchange ever

Mordy, Friday, 26 February 2010 07:22 (fourteen years ago) link

seven years pass...
four years pass...

So Claire just has raw fish sitting around at room temperature for 4 hours in a bag and then eats it??

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 24 March 2022 09:41 (two years ago) link

ah, the 80s

castanuts (DJP), Thursday, 24 March 2022 11:26 (two years ago) link

c'mon one zap in the microwave and it's hot and fresh and ready to go

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 24 March 2022 12:02 (two years ago) link


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