"Beware the Savage Jaw...." In Praise Of....Diamond Dogs by David Bowie

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"i come not to bury diamond dogs (though it isn't one of my faves) -- but to wonder aloud why station to station hasn't gotten a thread of its own?"

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de, Thursday, 17 June 2004 13:16 (nineteen years ago) link

diamond dogs is sort of like prince's parade. at least career wise.

dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Thursday, 17 June 2004 13:17 (nineteen years ago) link

Parade is one Prince album I've never owned, so I'm afraid I can't get stroppy with you on that point, though I suspect it would make me want to douse you with a full pint of beer for the comparison. I suppose I could be dead wrong, though.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 17 June 2004 13:22 (nineteen years ago) link

However this thread's use of the word 'smorgasbord' has made me happy.

de, Thursday, 17 June 2004 13:27 (nineteen years ago) link

get parade. you need to hear it. prince needs to hear it again, for that matter.

dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Thursday, 17 June 2004 13:44 (nineteen years ago) link

I'll check it out.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 17 June 2004 13:48 (nineteen years ago) link

i reckon prince is to the 80s what bowie was to the 70s.

dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Thursday, 17 June 2004 14:23 (nineteen years ago) link

That could indeed be said by someone, yes.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 17 June 2004 14:24 (nineteen years ago) link

i'd go with that dickvan ..

mark e (mark e), Thursday, 17 June 2004 14:50 (nineteen years ago) link

i'm going with lionel richie myself. classic in the 70s, rather rubbish in the 80s

de, Thursday, 17 June 2004 15:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh please don't ruin it for me. Prince is great, but he doesn't TOUCH this.

Oh, Alex. You need to hear "Strays Of The World".

I love Diamond Dogs. I was going to pick up the reissue yesterday after seeing the ad for it in the Voice. I'm saddened to read that there's not too much going on of value on the extra disc, though. Guess I'll stick to my Ryko version.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Thursday, 17 June 2004 20:43 (nineteen years ago) link

get parade. you need to hear it. prince needs to hear it again, for that matter.

Hah! Right on.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Thursday, 17 June 2004 20:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh, I so love this and Alex's review is so uh-huh, thank you.

I was in junior high when this came out and lived when I could with my Indian/Mexican GF whose father raped her any time I wasn't there and one night she shaved her eyebrows and I came by toasted on ludes and she was laying there, nude and all Inca looking, covered in red glitter fingering the DD cover and cooing "Day-vud!" while "We are the Dead" played and it became our song.

Ian G, Friday, 18 June 2004 04:02 (nineteen years ago) link

btw--Is it really BRA BRA BRA BRA?

I always thought it was ROT ROT ROT etc

Ian G, Friday, 18 June 2004 04:03 (nineteen years ago) link

I always assumed it was "BRA" as in saying "brother" repeatedly. If you listen closely towards the fade-out, it actually sounds like "RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN"....which I found also quite creepy (and, thus, hecka cool!)

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 18 June 2004 04:18 (nineteen years ago) link

to me it has always sounded like a cut-off "brother" (i assumed that was what it intended to be), so i guess "bra" is closest, phonetically. i can't recall the wedding present cover, does it have the same ending?

willem (willem), Friday, 18 June 2004 05:25 (nineteen years ago) link

Nah, they just amp up into a frenzy of strumming without trying to replicate the effect.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 18 June 2004 05:31 (nineteen years ago) link

slightly off topic, but how do these 30th anniversary remasters sound? are they identical to the rykos, or fiddled with? mainly only asking for the Aladdin Sane album, since the ryko had no bonus tracks for some reason; but if the EMI one sounds worse, I'll just download the bonus disc.

As for Diamond Dogs: along with Young Americans and The Man Who Sold the World, these were albums I didn't get into when I was younger, so to this day I don't know them very well. I'll give it a better listen tomorrow. I can't abide Rebel Rebel anymore and never liked the title track much, though. 1984 I only know through Tina Turner!

kyle (akmonday), Friday, 18 June 2004 06:40 (nineteen years ago) link

The cobbled-together quality is part of its charm.
'Lady Grinning Soul' is one of my fave Bowie songs (& one of Brett Anderson's I'd bet).

Didn't Transformer also start off intended to be a musical?

bham, Friday, 18 June 2004 07:56 (nineteen years ago) link

aint these EMI reissues supposed to be 24 bit remastered versions as opposed to the previous sound+vision ryko versions ? i have the complete ryko set and so not been aboe to establish the sonic advantages of the EMI versions. i dont have the budget of shelf space to go buy the whole lot again !

mark e (mark e), Friday, 18 June 2004 08:42 (nineteen years ago) link

ryko versions already were remasters, from what i've heard (from other people) the sound quality of the emi remasters is not significantly better. you can stick to your rykos, mark!

willem (willem), Friday, 18 June 2004 10:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Ick. Rolling Stone's Mark Kemp gave the re-issue a paltry two stars and took the affront a step further by summing the album up thusly: "The only true diamods here -- the title track and the original "Rebel Rebel" -- are available on several far superior compilations."

What a dick.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 26 June 2004 04:18 (nineteen years ago) link

four months pass...
I always loved We Are The Dead. It hurt me when critics would vilify it.

Atnevon (Atnevon), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 19:47 (nineteen years ago) link

two years pass...

Diamond Dogs and Outside are my fave Dave CDs. The failed/goofball/miserabalist narratives adds a weirdly effective structural mood thing.

"When You Rock n Roll with Me" always seemed to be something the future desolation kids might listen to at a secret cabaret, which gave it--for me, anyway--this terribly sad, futile beauty, because, not in defiance of its schmaltz.

i, grey, Wednesday, 5 September 2007 07:00 (sixteen years ago) link

btw--What the fuck was a "Cooper Time Cube"? I recall DB claiming the device had much to do with the fuzz/blur guitar sound.

i, grey, Wednesday, 5 September 2007 07:02 (sixteen years ago) link

I love Diamond Dogs. I listened to it all the time when I was just out of high school.

W4LTER, Wednesday, 5 September 2007 07:19 (sixteen years ago) link

eight months pass...

if there's anything this album just taught me, it's to never listen to negative reviews.

Creeztophair, Thursday, 22 May 2008 00:11 (fifteen years ago) link

Re "Cooper Time Cube" - If I recall my "Raw Power" liner notes properly, it was some sort of guitar-treatment device that kinda resembled a bong and was used on (I think) "Gimme Danger" and possibly elsewhere.

Myonga Vön Bontee, Thursday, 22 May 2008 17:53 (fifteen years ago) link

if there's anything this album just taught me, it's to never listen to negative reviews

lol you old

Noodle Vague, Thursday, 22 May 2008 17:55 (fifteen years ago) link

i didn't know peeps were down on diamond dogs. it's a banger 4 sho

M@tt He1ges0n, Thursday, 22 May 2008 17:56 (fifteen years ago) link

when my 5th-grade self first heard this LP (before I had ever even heard the word "genocide"), I thought it went: "this ain't rock and roll...this is...jazz time!"

made sense to me...and in a crazy way, it still does...

henry s, Thursday, 22 May 2008 18:05 (fifteen years ago) link

"this ain't rock and roll...this is...jazz time!"

Bahahahahaahahahahahaahaha

Alex in NYC, Thursday, 22 May 2008 22:42 (fifteen years ago) link

if there's anything this album just taught me, it's to never listen to negative reviews

Because they're sometimes earned?

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 22 May 2008 22:46 (fifteen years ago) link

Diamond Dogs is fucking brilliant.

Alex in NYC, Thursday, 22 May 2008 22:54 (fifteen years ago) link

we'll buy some drugs and watch a band
we'll jump in the river holding hands

one of my favorite bowie lyrics.

you pretty much cannot fuck with diamond dogs.

Emily Bjurnhjam, Friday, 23 May 2008 01:41 (fifteen years ago) link

I've grown to love "Sweet Thing/Candidate" (especially Bowie's wonderful, awful guitar solo on the former) and "1984," but not even the remastered version can disguise how thin this sounds. Plus, this Bowie lover has his limits for doomy doggerel.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 23 May 2008 02:13 (fifteen years ago) link

doomy doggerel.

That was punishing.

Alex in NYC, Saturday, 24 May 2008 18:56 (fifteen years ago) link

Oh, I so love this and Alex's review is so uh-huh, thank you.

I was in junior high when this came out and lived when I could with my Indian/Mexican GF whose father raped her any time I wasn't there and one night she shaved her eyebrows and I came by toasted on ludes and she was laying there, nude and all Inca looking, covered in red glitter fingering the DD cover and cooing "Day-vud!" while "We are the Dead" played and it became our song.

-- Ian G, Friday, 18 June 2004 05:02 (3 years ago) Bookmark Link

Dom Passantino, Saturday, 24 May 2008 19:31 (fifteen years ago) link

Yeah, I thought it was weird how no one even commented on that - UNTIL NOW

Z S, Saturday, 24 May 2008 19:34 (fifteen years ago) link

what a hot story.

Creeztophair, Saturday, 24 May 2008 23:01 (fifteen years ago) link

Sweet Thing is a brilliant track, though that bit where he goes off on one about hamburgers does my head in a bit.

chap, Sunday, 25 May 2008 14:53 (fifteen years ago) link

one year passes...
one year passes...

My twopennorth on Dogs.

The title track, 'Rebel Rebel' and 'Sweet Thing/Candidate/Sweet Thing (reprise)' are the main reasons I find myself returning to this record, and although I'm not as keen on the second side as I am on the first, I'd still rather listen to this than 'Young Americans'.

Turrican, Monday, 31 October 2011 17:30 (twelve years ago) link

Marcello, do we know the extent of Alan Parker's contributions? To my ears the lead on the title track sounds too gnarly to be professional (on the other hand I'm sure the magnificent, inept solo on "Sweet Thing" is Bowie's; he can't slide his fingers down the frets).

lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 31 October 2011 17:37 (twelve years ago) link

xp yeah, DD is way stronger as an album than YA (which I like, but only a few of tracks on it are essential)

...and the title cut of 'Diamond Dogs' just popped up on WinAmp random play

one year passes...

I've always felt this was underrated but listening to it last night my love for it went to a whole new level. It has berserk ambitions and it totally delivers on them. This is the Orwell-on-Broadway lunacy that Muse have been gunning for over their last three albums, a more persuasive take on showbiz, terror and America than Aladdin Sane, and a lyrical feast. I also realised that Blur's use of brass is almost entirely derived from the spectacular arrangements on Big Brother, not to mention Andrew Eldritch's vocal schtick. And while the intro's a dud (the album should begin with the title track's faultlessly decadent opening line) the stuttering ending is perfect. My favourite after Low, I think.

Now to read Marcello's essay.

Deafening silence (DL), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 09:54 (eleven years ago) link

one year passes...

Looking forward to sinking my teeth into this: http://thequietus.com/articles/16797-the-hideous-ecstasy-of-fear-diamond-dogs-40-years-on

willem, Tuesday, 2 December 2014 06:35 (nine years ago) link

five years pass...
eight months pass...

Ugh, that splice between "Candidate" and "Sweet Thing (Reprise)" is so hideously hamfisted, everybody in the studio must have been stoned to let it pass. It annoys me so much I have to make my own edit before I can listen to it.

Godless Tiny Tim (Tom D.), Sunday, 13 December 2020 18:41 (three years ago) link

I like it as a splash of ice water in the face, after you jump in the river holding hands.

Halfway there but for you, Sunday, 13 December 2020 18:58 (three years ago) link

two years pass...

I am having so much fun with the poisonous people
Spreading rumors and lies and stories they made up
Some make you sing and some make you scream
One makes you wish that you never been seen

the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 4 July 2023 14:55 (nine months ago) link


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