Pazz and Jop.

Btw, I don't think I am voting b/c I've barely written anything about music this year.

x/p to al: yeah well you can still bite me, ya big baltimorean dorkwad. :[]

I didn't get a ballot. Probably since I don't write about music, except on ILM.

I'm drafting music 2.0's obituary for the comments.

Aww man, I voted last year but have not gotten a ballot yet.

I'm gonna try not to whine this year about polls not seeking out writers who review non-rock music. I will also try not to whine about writers who write about such genres who don't bother to try to get included in general interest music polls.

haha what up s-kizzle

Gonna go eat some Ethiopian chow later. Maybe I'll hear from the Voice on Monday.

Ummm... are they not doing one this year??

They are.

http://i381.photobucket.com/albums/oo259/wodarno/first.jpg

Ballots now being sent out.

Last year I had to ask to have a ballot sent, a week after they went out, even though I've voted for years and my email has always been the same, so I'm wondering if I'll get one this year (without requesting one). As of this writing nothing yet.

I haven't gotten a ballot for the last 3 years now, but I don't feel that bad since I'm really not writing/blogging anymore.

I've narrowed my pool of Top Ten candidates down to 51... http://bit.ly/4rtd1m

really thought that was some weird suggest ban joke for a sec

Does anyone know if these ballots are sent out all at once?

You can have my ballot if you really want it.

I'll keep that in mind, but I'll try sending Rob Harvilla an email asking for one first. Thanks.

Does anyone know if these ballots are sent out all at once?

Assuming the technology hasn't progressed backwards since I was sending them (three years ago? four? who counts anymore?), yes. Definitely.

Using my old P&J link from last year's ballot, I can get to the 2009 ballot page, but the only thing I need (assuming I can't get a ballot this year) would be a voter ID. I noticed that my 2007 and 2008 ID's are different. Wondering if I use my 2008 voter ID # will the ballot go through?

Doubtful. The rolls change every year.

When you email them about this stuff they usually add you on provided you can reasonbly qualify yourself as a rock critic (and if you've voted before recently you should be eligible to vote again for the most part, I think).

I sent Rob an email, so we'll see what happens.

I got my ballot today.

I got mine Friday.

dunno if I'm gonna have any comments to send this year...

I am still boycotting.

So are people who voted eventually getting an automatic confirmation email back? (I didn't, at least not yet.) Weird that you don't even get to a page where you can doublecheck your votes after you press submit, before you absolutely confirm your ballot (which was always the way the site worked in the past, at least a few years ago.)

I have a tiny suspicion this isn't "officially" up but it's official to the internet:

http://www.villagevoice.com/music/pazz-and-jop-2015-robert-christgau-joe-levy-ann-powers-and-greg-tate-take-on-the-record-s-8137202 (the essays in general are good this year)

http://furia.com/pjs/table_voter_all_total.html

Besides, as everyone's noting on Facebook, not listing the singles in order on your ballot (I don't vote for albums, so don't know if it's the same there), am I reading it correctly that they don't have the mixed compilation of voter comments anymore? Maybe they'll be posted later. I'll hold off further comment until that's clear.

The order glitch wasn't intentional, and is already being fixed.

I will also apologize for the "we" in my Tabulation Notes making it seem like the Voice made up Winey's term "GAPDY". I wasn't thinking of myself as part of the Voice's "we" as I was writing, but of course that's how it reads. I'm trying to get them to edit this in the online version, at least.

Interesting how P&J commands far less attention on ILM than it did just a few years ago.

Ran into Joe Levy on the street a week ago, but neglected to ask him about this.

There’s a great Jill Scott record this year no one paid a shred of freakin’ attention to!

It debuted at number one.

many #1-debuting albums receive no attention from the press/critics

it was an OK Jill Scott record this year no one paid a shred of freakin' attention to

many #1-debuting albums receive no attention from the press/critics

The previous sentence contains "radio" and "the pop chart." I don't think "no one" there means only critics.

If the statement is referring strictly to critics, it's still off. The album was reviewed by several outlets, including Pitchfork and (cough) AllMusic.

Why am I finding it hard to see the P&J results on the Voice's site? Or are they not there yet?

In the letter w the ballot:

results will be published in print and online in our January 13, 2016, issue. So I'm not gonna look 'til then; always some glitches, twitches in whatever shows up before.

I'm browsing it no problem-http://www.villagevoice.com/pazznjop/index/2015

Village Voice fucks up their P&J rollout every year.

612 voters for 2014, but looks like only close to 500 or so for 2015. I wonder why the drop in numbers...

This year, nearly 500 Pazz + Jop voters submitted their top ten albums and singles.

http://www.villagevoice.com/pazznjop/critics/2015

I forgot to vote. I know some other people did, too.

if it's indeed being officially rolled out the 13th, it's probably too late for print deadline but as much as a collaboration with the entire country would be an improvement over the version that exists, Miguel's "Coffee" doesn't feature Wales.

(sorry)

hotline bling huh

Any pleasure I have at Bieber not making it into the top 10 of either list is offset completely by that travesty

NO ONE ELSE VOTED FOR ANGEL HAZE??????????????????????

a groundbreaking year, a humorous gif wins the singles poll

what's the meme of this song

Thanks, Glenn, I probably should have just emailed you instead of being a boner on Twitter about it. Sorry abt that

Interesting how P&J commands far less attention on ILM than it did just a few years ago.

― jaymc, Tuesday, January 12, 2016 10:58 AM (1 hour ago)

it all just seems so tepid

Hounds of Love? Tim? Steve McQueen? Up on the Sun? Promise? Lots of good stuff that year.

Fables of the Reconstruction…

I’ve always been surprised at how underrated Ragged Glory was until the last couple years when it’s finally started to get its due…glad to see that it got its due somewhere at least. I was too young in ‘90 to know how it was received at the top but I do know that by the late 90s-00s it wasn’t really a Neil release that anyone had much to say about.

And of course that should say “at the time” rather than “at the top”.

Huh. I felt like it was solidified as the last truly great Neil album even back in the 90s.

NME's 1985 albums list https://www.nme.com/features/1985-2-1045389

Two 1960s recordings in the top ten, as I'm not the first to point out. But other than Mad Not Mad and So Many Rivers (and what drastic exceptions those are) the rest of the top ten remains stealthily canon.

This Neil Young conversation feels like it's taking place in an alternate dimension. Ragged Glory is pretty much the last Neil Young album people unanimously agree on. (Maybe Harvest Moon.) The tour was a huge success, it earned him an entirely new audience/reputation when he brought out Sonic Youth as his opening act... it was a whole Thing. Did he diminish its impact by releasing 75 albums in the years since? Maybe, but every time he puts out a Crazy Horse record it gets compared to Ragged Glory, so how anyone could see it as anything but a major, major part of his discography is beyond me.

Didn't Xgau have some sort of temporary break with Marcus over the Public Enemy and the Terrodome controversy?

He did, yes--more Marcus, I think--but long since resolved.

Ragged Glory now has its title now expanded to Smell The Horse and its body expanded by three bonus tracks--the one I've heard is very fine---but so far this edition only available in a box set, alongside standard reissues (no other bonus tracks in there, apparently).

Little Creatures is amazing but there probably is that sense of “Amazing conversation-driving band releases another very good album at the height of their fame” that pushed the scales that don’t make as much sense in hindsight

See also Imperial Bedroom, To Bring You My Love,Speakerboxxx/Love Below, Late Registration, Dear Science…

(I almost mentioned Speakerboxx, whose status I think has diminished over time, but no I can't imagine (back whenever this was, 2010?) I was surprised to see it topped P&J, not least because I was barely aware of them pre-Stankonia at that point.)

(Sorry for making the cardinal sin of ignoring the superior disc there.)

I like all of those albums - regardless of whether they deserved the top spot, they're all touched with greatness and I'd say most of them are great. Even "Tennessee" is unimpeachable IMHO, a towering single on Arrest Development's fine debut, even though parts of the album gets too on the nose for my taste.

FWIW, I understand certain albums aren't heard about often except by those who were there at the time, but I've never bought into that as a failing of the work itself. It may be a reflection of evolving trends in the culture, and I get how that's a big part of the discourse surrounding pop music, but a great album is still a great album no matter how overlooked it may have become.

*Arrested

If Wiki is to be believed 3 Years, 5 Months and 2 Days in the Life Of... also topped the Wire's critic poll for that year.

Mellencamp's The Lonesome Jubilee is good and belongs in the top twenty.

er, Scarecrow, that is. But TLJ too!

Yeah. And like Ta-Nehisi Coates said about the American Civil War: "Don't say you know what you would have done. You don't know."

Ragged Glory is definitely one of Neil's true classics, Freedom was the comeback but Ragged Glory had this primal facemelting guitar sound and just a load of great tunes. it was actually the first Neil Young record i ever heard and loved it immediately.

Chuck Klosterman wrote an article about how future generations would balk at seeing the Tune-Yards album listed at number 1 in this poll. That prophesied day has now arrived.

Per Ragged Glory, here's 1990 (as hell, with a lot of strong stuff, which may also incl. ones that seem a bit startling in the nether regions, but that's good in principle, just going for personal faves dammit, never mind the prevailing winds)

This poll compiles ballots from 289 critics, who divided 100 points among 10 1990 albums. Points determined placement, with total mentions (indicated in parentheses) used for tie-breaking. Maximum per album: 30. Minimum: 5.

*Includes 1989 votes: Queen Latifah 173 (18), 3rd Bass 77 (9), Faith No More 67 (5)

1. Neil Young: Ragged Glory (Reprise) 1282 (104)
2. Sinéad O'Connor: I Do Not Want What I Haven't Got (Chrysalis) 1070 (87)
3. Public Enemy: Fear of a Black Planet (Def Jam) 1026 (82)
4. Sonic Youth: Goo (DGC) 659 (63)
5. Living Colour: Time's Up (Epic) 606 (51)
6. Ice Cube: AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted (Priority) 533 (45)
7. Paul Simon: The Rhythm of the Saints (Warner Bros.) 486 (42)
8. Rosanne Cash: Interiors (Columbia) 461 (42)
9. L.L. Cool J: Mama Said Knock You Out (Def Jam) 457 (40)
10. Prince: Graffiti Bridge (Paisley Park) 417 (43)
11. Replacements: All Shook Down (Sire/Reprise) 366 (36)
12. The Chills: Submarine Bells (Slash/Warner Bros.)349 (25)
13. Deee-Lite: World Clique (Elektra) 327 (36)
14. Queen Latifah: All Hail the Queen (Tommy Boy) 278 (29) *
15. World Party: Goodbye Jumbo (Chrysalis) 259 (23)
16. Red Hot and Blue (Chrysalis) 255 (23)
17. Lou Reed/John Cale: Songs for Drella (Sire/Warner Bros.)249 (24)
18. A Tribe Called Quest: People's Instinctive Travels and the Paths of Rhythm (Jive)
247 (27)
19. Yo La Tengo: Fakebook (Restless/Bar/None) 242 (25)
20. Digital Underground: Sex Packets (Tommy Boy) 229 (27)
21. Los Lobos: The Neighborhood (Slash/Warner Bros.)234 (23)
22. Lisa Stansfield: Affection (Arista) 218 (22)
23. The Carl Stalling Project (Warner Bros.) 202 (22)
24. Jane's Addiction: Ritual de lo Habitual (Warner Bros.) 198 (19)
25. Youssou N'Dour: Set (Virgin) 188 (20)
26. Iggy Pop: Brick by Brick (Virgin) 188 (19)
27. Faith No More: The Real Thing (Slash/Warner Bros.)186 (14) *
28. Van Morrison: Enlightenment (Mercury) 182 (18)
29. Pixies: Bossanova (4AD/Elektra) 168 (18)
30. The Neville Brothers: Brother's Keeper (A&M) 164 (17)
31. The Black Crowes: Shake Your Money Maker (Def American) 160 (14)
32. Robin Holcomb: Robin Holcomb (Elektra Musician) 159 (11)
33. 3rd Bass: The Cactus Album (Def Jam) 150 (16) *
34. Guy: The Future (MCA) 149 (15)
35. Pet Shop Boys: Behaviour (EMI) 141 (13)
36. Was (Not Was): Are You Okay? (Chrysalis) 139 (17)
37. Texas Tornados: Texas Tornados (Reprise) 139 (14)
38. Eno/Cale: Wrong Way Up (Opal/Warner Bros.) 138 (16)
39. Bob Dylan: Under the Red Sky (Columbia) 133 (10)
40. Midnight Oil: Blue Sky Mining (Columbia) 129 (13)

On the same page: Singles, EPs, Reissues, Videos:
https://www.robertchristgau.com/xg/pnj/pjres90.php

Man those Prince and Replacements albums really riding on goodwill. (They're both OK, but not top 10 or 11.)

I love World Party being at 15.

Don't remember or haven't heard some of these, but think my Top Ten would have incl. (def the first two):

Red Hot and Blue
The Chills: Submarine Bells
Neil Young: Ragged Glory
Sinéad O'Connor: I Do Not Want What I Haven't Got (87)
Public Enemy: Fear of a Black Planet

Texas Tornados: Texas Tornados (Reprise)
Eno/Cale: Wrong Way Up (Opal/Warner Bros.)
Bob Dylan: Under the Red Sky

My absent favourites of 1990: Chill Out, Armed Audio Warfare, Listen Without Prejudice, Rebel Music, Mixed Up, Let Them Eat Bingo, Boomania, Jordan, En-Tact, Cure for Sanity, Song (It's Immaterial), City: Works of Fiction, Pills n Thrills, Skellington

(To state the obvious, most of these weren't ever likely to be troubling P&J. Half of them were unlikely to be troubling UK lists either. And some weren't released in the US.)

Albums I actually owned:

1. Neil Young: Ragged Glory (Reprise) 1282 (104)
2. Sinéad O'Connor: I Do Not Want What I Haven't Got (Chrysalis) 1070 (87)
3. Public Enemy: Fear of a Black Planet (Def Jam) 1026 (82)
4. Sonic Youth: Goo (DGC) 659 (63)
5. Living Colour: Time's Up (Epic) 606 (51)
6. Ice Cube: AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted (Priority) 533 (45)
10. Prince: Graffiti Bridge (Paisley Park) 417 (43)
14. Queen Latifah: All Hail the Queen (Tommy Boy) 278 (29) *
17. Lou Reed/John Cale: Songs for Drella (Sire/Warner Bros.)249 (24)
18. A Tribe Called Quest: People's Instinctive Travels and the Paths of Rhythm (Jive)
247 (27)
20. Digital Underground: Sex Packets (Tommy Boy) 229 (27)
23. The Carl Stalling Project (Warner Bros.) 202 (22)
24. Jane's Addiction: Ritual de lo Habitual (Warner Bros.) 198 (19)
33. 3rd Bass: The Cactus Album (Def Jam) 150 (16) *

Albums I did not own, but heard:

7. Paul Simon: The Rhythm of the Saints (Warner Bros.) 486 (42)
9. L.L. Cool J: Mama Said Knock You Out (Def Jam) 457 (40)
13. Deee-Lite: World Clique (Elektra) 327 (36)
26. Iggy Pop: Brick by Brick (Virgin) 188 (19)
27. Faith No More: The Real Thing (Slash/Warner Bros.)186 (14) *
31. The Black Crowes: Shake Your Money Maker (Def American) 160 (14)
35. Pet Shop Boys: Behaviour (EMI) 141 (13)

If I'd been voting back then my top 5 would probably have been (based on actual time spent listening) Ice Cube, Public Enemy, Jane's Addiction, Living Colour, Neil Young.

Absent favorites:

Suicidal Tendencies - Lights, Camera, Revolution
Ministry - The Mind is a Terrible Thing to Taste
Tad - Salt Lick

I was about 15 in 1990 and remember Ragged Glory as a Big Deal in the boomer press: Freedom as the solid comeback, this the culmination.

I was 14 and in my transitionary period between Def Leppard and Nirvana. Looking at that list, I only remember listening to lots of Public Enemy, Living Colour, LL Cool J, ATCQ, Digital Underground and Faith No More.