are you now, or have you ever been, A Librarian?

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starting library school in august @ ucla. has anyone been through the program there / heard anything? excited, also clueless.

fauxhemian (fauxhemian), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 00:45 (eighteen years ago) link

The only person I know who did that did so decades ago, so the advice would be outdated.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 00:52 (eighteen years ago) link

alas. from what i can tell, it seems decent enough. interesting faculty. any general top-of-your-head advice about the area ned? i believe you're further SE tho...

fauxhemian (fauxhemian), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 01:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Ah, but I went to school at UCLA from 1988 to 1992, so. ;-) That said, I gather the area's generally become fairly nondescript over the moons. There's plenty of apartments within walking distance of campus but I'm not too sure of the best places to look these days.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 01:31 (eighteen years ago) link

gracias. will be looking around in a month or so. i'm sure there are plenty of options.

fauxhemian (fauxhemian), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 01:43 (eighteen years ago) link

Most Boring Thread Revive Ever?

fauxhemian (fauxhemian), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 01:44 (eighteen years ago) link

reminds me that a guy i know got a nice little write-up in his local weekly (it's here, down toward the bottom):

Best A/V Club Graduate
Kevin Crothers
If you've noticed the steady increase in interesting events happening at the Charleston County Public Library, the dedicated man to thank is media specialist and A/V department head dude Kevin Crothers. Crothers, a lifelong musician and general A/V guru, actively works to bring culture to his corner of our small town through the monthly Film Movement series, in which independent, art-house films are shown on the big screen in the Main Library's auditorium, and his ongoing efforts to promote local music during Piccolo Spoleto through his Local Blend series, in which a diverse lineup of local bands perform in the auditorium at times that work for all age groups. Perhaps best of all, each live musical performance at the library is captured on digital audio and video equipment and put on the library's website for future enjoyment. Not to mention the mountains of new CDs and DVDs Crothers has brought into the library's collection. Bravo, Kevin, and thanks for keeping your inner A/V geek entertained and entertaining for us all. --Sara Miller

librarians r cool.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 05:33 (eighteen years ago) link

If you are going to UCLA, perhaps you are going to matriculate as an information scientist, rather than a librarian?

Mary (Mary), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 05:51 (eighteen years ago) link

6000 words away from being a librarian and counting...

Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 09:20 (eighteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
So I applied to some library school and I got in and now I have no clue what to do. Texas? Michigan? Pittsburgh? Pratt? Help!! They are all so expensive, and some of them are quite far away. Is this even worth it????

Henry Jacobson, Monday, 3 April 2006 15:11 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm not going to help you if you keep calling me a pratt.

Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 3 April 2006 15:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Quit now, while you're still ahead.

My Psychic Friends Are Strangely Silent (Ex Leon), Monday, 3 April 2006 16:03 (eighteen years ago) link

hey you guys?!?!?

Henry Jacobson, Monday, 3 April 2006 16:47 (eighteen years ago) link

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Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 3 April 2006 16:49 (eighteen years ago) link

Spider Man, where are you coming from?
Spider Man, nobody knows who you are...
Spider Man, you've got that Spidey touch...
Spider Man, you are a web-slinging star!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 3 April 2006 16:50 (eighteen years ago) link

Actually that would go good with the Spidey-dancing gif and a Daft Punk soundtrack.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 3 April 2006 16:50 (eighteen years ago) link

Hi Henry,

Where do you live now? I go to Catholic. I chose between Catholic and Maryland. My choice came down to location (I lived here already). I chose Catholic because I like smaller schools and there was a tuition discount which made the two schools comparable in price. Though I think Maryland has a better reputation so maybe I made the wrong decision

Those are all great schools that you got into. Are you interested in a certain concentration that one school offers? Are you interested in living in a particular area? Are you interested in working in a certain area? I think Michigan has the best reputation of all those schools, but I'm not sure it matters that much. At Catholic, most students are part-time and work full-time and are pretty much adults. That works for me. I'm not sure a full-time collegiate-type program would be the best thing for me, mainly because I just don't find the coursework that interesting. I couldn't imagine doing it full time,

Is it worth it? Only if you want to be a librarian or some other related career. In my view, it's just not that intellectually stimulating, such as a liberal arts degree. Can you get financial aid from any of the schools? The jobs are generally low paying once you get out so I would try to keep loans to a minimum. Also, experience is really important so if any of the colleges offer you a work-study position that would be great.

If I were you, here's where I would go, in order of preference:

Pitt: Good school, nice city.
Pratt: Great city, expensive school.
Michigan: Highly rated, possibly over driven classmates.
Texas: Good school, college town.

Good luck. Let me know if I can be of any more help.

(Pratt would have been my dream school but even when I was in NYC I was thinking more in terms of Queens and St. John's. Also, I already have one vanity M.A. so am trying to be more practical this time around.)

Mary (Mary), Monday, 3 April 2006 18:20 (eighteen years ago) link

Michigan is a well regarded school, but if you want to work in a public or academic library it might not be the right place. The focus of their school is geared more towards hci -- there's a reason they changed their name to the school of information.

My Psychic Friends Are Strangely Silent (Ex Leon), Monday, 3 April 2006 18:29 (eighteen years ago) link

Hey, thanks for the serious response, guys. Well, I live near NYC now, so I guess going to pratt (or maybe liu??) would be the easiest thing -- I just fear that it has a lesser reputation and I would receive a lesser education than some of the other schools.

Michigan gave me a scholarship for 50% off (though it is still expensive) and texas is pretty cheap...I don't know, I am really interested in academic librarianship, and maybe also archival work? What think you hivemind? Anybody know any other good skools?

Henry Jacobson, Monday, 3 April 2006 19:08 (eighteen years ago) link

Could you live at home? If so, Pratt could be a good choice. I am saving a lot of money by doing so. I think Pratt has a pretty good repuation, and also lots of chances for internships, but in museum-type stuff. It may tend to be more art/media based, just by the nature of the school. As far as I can tell, the reputation of the library school isn't as important as it might be in some other fields, as long as it's ALA accredited, which all of your schools are. I think when you are trying to get your first job, experience is going to be the big thing, whether it's part time or internships or both. If you are interested in academic, I would suggest one of the large state schools and try to get a part time job at the campus library. That will be so important when you are going for your first job. I don't know much about archival work, except that I think Maryland is strong. In my experience, library school is both practical and theoretical. The practical stuff is really useful, but you'll learn more of it at work (even if you're part-time like I am). The theoretical stuff is snoozey (in my opinion) and will only prepare you to go on to get a PhD in LIS. Which is the instance where a brand-name school could help you. Another thing to keep in mind is how many credits the schools require. The fewer they require, the cheaper and faster you can get your degree.

Mary (Mary), Monday, 3 April 2006 19:26 (eighteen years ago) link

Here are the US News rankings for archives (to see beyond the top three you'll have to buy the magazine):

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/grad/rankings/lib/brief/libsp1_brief.php

Texas or Michigan would give you the opportunity to investigate both academic and archives.

Mary (Mary), Monday, 3 April 2006 20:23 (eighteen years ago) link

fun fact about the pratt library: the blowjob-in-the-stacks scene from debbie does dallas was shot there!

uh...since i have nothing to offer besides this, i will just second what mary said re: pratt. if you "live near nyc" and don't mind the commute, the palmer school has, to my knowledge, a fairly good rep too.

joseph (joseph), Monday, 3 April 2006 21:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Henry, if you live near NYC, Queens College might be a relatively convenient local option. Rutgers isn't horrifically expensive if you're in NJ. I'd advise against getting much in the way of student loan debt for a profession that, as a rule, pays fucking shit.

Pork Cheops (willpie), Monday, 3 April 2006 22:24 (eighteen years ago) link

J., what is working at the nyu library like? Are you fairly sequestered in your own special collections world, or do you also have a feel for what it would be like to work with the larger library system? I am in this weird situation where I will do a 6-wk paid internship when I graduate, and the only stipulation is that it be in an ARL library. I might just do it here, but there is also some travel $ if I want to go elsewhere.

Mary (Mary), Monday, 3 April 2006 22:29 (eighteen years ago) link

special collections is really sort of its own universe (as symbolically depicted by the fact that people have to be buzzed in and out if they want to enter/exit; we literally sequester ourselves!). one huge difference is i've never had to deal with overdue books (nothing ever leaves the reading room), and we're far stricter with what researchers can get away with (photocopy requests need to be approved by the staff first and are often denied, esp. with books; books are presented on a foam cradle and no one is allowed to touch the books on the shelves in the reading room without filling out a slip first; manuscripts available for research only by appointment, etc etc).

i mean, there's still plenty of mundane grunt work to be done (shelving, flagging, registering people who use the library for the first time, etc). the only other library work i've really done before this was volunteering to shelve books in my hometown's local library post-renovation, so i'm not experienced in the ways of, say, reference desk work, but there's something very stimulating/taxing about spec/col also. currently, i'm organizing and processing an entire collection for research purposes which, when given to us by its donor, contained about 35 boxes of paper files and as many, if not more, boxes of videotapes. i've been working on the same project since july - i'm not finished yet and probably won't be until THIS july, and they've even got someone helping out with the videotapes. it's occasionally frustrating and i get a bit overwhelmed by it much of the time, but i think i'll be sufficiently proud in the end result and, more practically, it'll look great on my resume.

hopefully that's the kind of personal library experience you were looking for. i remain in the dark about a lot of the larger bureaucratic stuff at nyu, but i do really like my immediate bosses in the library. and speaking as an undergrad, i'm glad i'm getting experience in this field now, as it's consistent with what i want to do post-grad (not library school per se, but archivist/curatorial work.)

joseph (joseph), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 01:45 (eighteen years ago) link

besides the ARL thing, what are the other requirements of your internship?

joseph (joseph), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 01:48 (eighteen years ago) link

It's very vague and loose--it can be at one of about 50 university libraries in the U.S. and Canada, or at the Library of Congress of NYPL. I'm supposed to dream up what I want to do and where I want to do it, and that convince some ARL library director to let me do it. It's sort of a pilot program, so there's not a lot of structure. Originally I thought I might try to do NYU or NYPL, but I've sort of soured on the whole academic library thing lately, so I might just do it at one of the DC-area libraries.

I did research once at Fales when I was in grad school. (I studied 19 c Brit Lit so Fales was the place.) The interesting thing about Fales seems to be that besides the typical special collections, they have also the downtown nyc stuff.

Geez, for an undergraduate you are getting a great experience, especially if you are intereted in going in that direction in the future. When I was an undergraduate I did nothing beneficial work-wise.

I don't have any experience working in an academic library. I loved those libraries as a student, so I thought it would be a good fit, but I've gone to conferences and meetings and etc. that give me a different impression of what working in that field would be like. To really find out, though, I guess I will have to try it.

Mary (Mary), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 02:01 (eighteen years ago) link

I think I just got some sort of research assistant thing from UNC chapel hill, so I will most likely be going there in the fall!! Did anybody ever go there by any chance? Or know anything about it? Obviously it is highly ranked, etc. I am too excited, it is strange.

stewart downes (sdownes), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 13:18 (eighteen years ago) link

I met some people who go there. They like it. Have fun!

Mary (Mary), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 18:33 (eighteen years ago) link

I am not now, nor have I ever been, a librarian, but I'm a contractor with the Nat'l Library of Medicine and both my husband and boss are librarians, so I do like to pop on this thread when it is revived.

I went to UNC-CH for grad school (alas, not for an MLS) and loved both the school and living in Chapel Hill, so I would highly recommend that aspect. Most (actually, all) of my library time there was spent in the medical library--there must be some people who specialize in medical library stuff, yes?

Anyhow my husband does fine salary wise working in a law library (and he doesn't even have an MLS!), and my boss does way more than fine doing kind of managerial stuff for NLM, so salary prospects are not necessarily totally depressing but still best to minimize student debt as much as possible, or course (not that I actually followed my own advice. . .).

quincie, Tuesday, 4 April 2006 18:56 (eighteen years ago) link

five months pass...
Is there some other lame MA (nothing too technical) I could get to switch out of librarianship into a slightly more satisfying career?

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Saturday, 9 September 2006 15:52 (seventeen years ago) link

I dropped out of a library school a decade ago to stay home and have kids. Now I'm going back to school to get a nursing degree at the same college (although it's not another Master's program, it's a certificate program - adding another major to keep the other two in my Bachelor's degree happy).

To answer the question of the thread: I did work in a public library while I was in high school as what was then called a "library page" - shelved books, kept them in order, checked them into library, cleaned shelves, and other random tasks as come up with by head librarian. I liked it, but library school itself was exhausting, the program required you to spend time at school in a different state at the time (and I had just gotten married), and I couldn't afford to pay for classes. I do know four librarians who all seem happy with their jobs, and I've met one person who just graduated from the program I left and is looking for a library job.

Sara R-C (Sara R-C), Saturday, 9 September 2006 16:37 (seventeen years ago) link

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timmy tannin (pompous), Saturday, 9 September 2006 16:47 (seventeen years ago) link

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timmy tannin (pompous), Saturday, 9 September 2006 16:52 (seventeen years ago) link

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timmy tannin (pompous), Saturday, 9 September 2006 16:54 (seventeen years ago) link

That caption is more accurate than you know (he said, thinking of his current workplace).

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 9 September 2006 17:08 (seventeen years ago) link

I've been a librarian for about four months now, mainly working in primary school libraries. It is slightly tedius, but tranquil and oddly satisfying.

chap who would dare to start Raaatpackin (chap), Monday, 11 September 2006 11:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Is there some other lame MA (nothing too technical) I could get to switch out of librarianship into a slightly more satisfying career?

Is there anything that you like about your job that you could build on? For instance, if you like finance and management>>MBA. If you like databases and computers>>Systems Management. I'm not sure there is any MA that leads directly into a satisfying career.

Mary (Mary), Monday, 11 September 2006 12:36 (seventeen years ago) link

Some schools have "Informatics" degrees, which I feel is the bastard techie cousin of Library Science. I went to the University at Buffalo for my MLS, and it mildly overlapped the with the Informatics department. Can I tell you what Informatics means? No, not really, but the folks in those classes took database architecture and fancy web design classes. However, due to its presumably swishy nature, it closed this year. I do believe some other schools still have their Informatics programs in existence (Michigan, perhaps?). It probably leads to a life as a Systems Librarian, and I cannot comment on the excitement of that career path, as I am a cataloger, and get my kicks from poopoo-ing the crappiness of recent LC catalog records.

molly d (mollyd), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 21:11 (seventeen years ago) link

File under "nonfiction":
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Danny Aioli (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 21:20 (seventeen years ago) link

file under: "molly's autobiography"

molly d (mollyd), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 21:28 (seventeen years ago) link

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latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 21:48 (seventeen years ago) link

Librarians are an odd bunch. At library conferences, I usually get fed up with librarians by the 3rd day and want to go home, or pretend I'm not one of them.

We also have a penchant for booze. This sadly is not part of the librarian stereotype. Something needs to be done about this. We will drink you under the table, or atleast until we fall down from said table.

molly d (mollyd), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 21:55 (seventeen years ago) link

i've always had a fantay about being seduced by a sad, hot older librarian

latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 22:16 (seventeen years ago) link

How did you like Buffalo, Molly? Those informatics programs are terrifying. I'm surprised it closed though, it seems those are the programs that get everyone all excited.

Mary (Mary), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 22:45 (seventeen years ago) link

Buffalo's program seemed pretty fine to me. It is what it is -- library school. I've heard horror stories from others' schools, and I guess UB didn't sound that bad after all. For the most part, I really enjoyed my professors. I did have the opportunity to take Advanced Cataloging which got prospective employers all riled up (in a good way) during interviews. That being said, Advanced Cataloging merely brushes upon the training you get at your job (I've been here a year and have only received my Jr. Cataloging wings). Also, I had a job lined up before I graduated (hello good fortune!), which is a major plus in my book. Unfortunately, in the sad state of library affairs, I still know a lot of people who graduated around the same time I did (about a year ago) who still don't have library jobs.

But I'm rambling!

Yeah, Informatics! What is it, exactly? It was linked to our Communications Dept. (as was the MLS program), but when Informatics bit the dust this semester, the MLS program was sent back to the School of Education, which makes sense to me.

Oh! And ALA just slapped UB on the wrist, actually, for closing its Informatics Department:

http://www.libraryjournal.com/article/CA6363891.html

molly d (mollyd), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 00:04 (seventeen years ago) link

In my day, we didn't have infomatics. Though my MA is technically in Information Studies, which is what Drexel was calling their MLS at the time.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 00:10 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh God, ALA just gave my school, C@tholic, provisional accreditation. If I graduate and the school loses its accreditation and I can't get a job, I won't be a happy librarian, I won't be a librarian at all.

Mary (Mary), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 01:18 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh no! Ehh, I wouldn't worry about it. Do you know how long provisional status lasts? I don't even remember how often ALA comes around and does its assesment of library school programs. I can only assume that these schools are getting themselves sorted out, as no one wants to deal with a bunch of angry, recently-graduated, unemployed librarians. It could get nasty.

This is what the ALA site says:

Conditional: Some entries have a notation of (Conditional) next to them. This indicates conditional accreditation — a status assigned to a program that must make changes to comply with the 1992 Standards for Accreditation of Master’s Programs in Library and Information Studies to enable accreditation beyond the date specified by the Committee on Accreditation (COA). Please note that these programs are fully accredited under the Standards.

molly d (mollyd), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 14:48 (seventeen years ago) link

Good lord, I just started library school a few weeks ago. Is the job market really that bad!?!! Have I made the worst decision of my life?! Are there any areas (e.g. cataloging) where there are actual jobs?

askance johnson (sdownes), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 14:56 (seventeen years ago) link


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