future of ~the internet~

yeah seriously, it's possible that in ten years ~neither~ will be around, and what "replaces" them might not look like either.

how will the revolutions organize then though ?! rip political change and human communication : (

will html be around in 10 years

i previously summarised my feelings abt twitter btw

its like i dont understand the conventions, and it feels like boring middleaged ppl figured it out quicker than i did and i'm sick of watching the news and they do their twitter bit and i'm like what? why do ppl on twitter matter. And the stupid fake words its generated are uniformly irritating like what retweet? idk then theres this thing where you're supposed to follow things in realtime now and i'm like what i cant keep up and all of this is gibberish to me.

― plax (ico), Friday, February 4, 2011 9:58 PM (2 weeks ago)

so the future = centralization then? apps just become UI shells that do all the dirty work via cloud computing, media is all delivered via streaming services from a central server (ie spotify, netflix's on demand thing, etc). nothing is decentralized except the actual device (phone, pad, whatever you want to call it)

haven't said a word about revolutions

"may not look like either" - well, duh. but the point is that twitter and facebook actually provide value to people, and will not die until something else emerges that can provide equivalent value.

tamagotchis provided value

First, anyone who thinks that twitter is a substitute for linear conversations like those on facebook wall posts, ilx, etc. is nuts.

Second, twitter is useful because of its limitations, and what you can build off of those. The entire idea that you've got this activity stream that you can zoom into for further content (iPad app actually lets you pinch-zoom user info, and slides in a web browser window) or view as low-bandwidth text is pretty neat.

Also, don't know if anyone noticed or cares, but facebook uses xmpp chat now, so you can use the same programs to connect to google talk or facebook chat.

there are a million substitutes that provide roughly equivalent value as tamagotchis

after about 3 1/2 yrs with one, finally entirely deleted my facebook account and after getting over initial withdrawal (erm, yes) that included a lot of logging back in (mostly to look at picture's of my best high-school friend's new latina girlfriend), i've hardly ever think of it - and have an insane amount of free-time i never actually thought i had in the first place.

it rly doesn't help that there is no "insta-delete" button, but a 2wk ~necessary~ wait period in which they wink and tell you your account will be deleted after then.

but god what a relief it is to not meet somebody and know they'll not be going home tonight to browse through "my life" and judge what music/whatever taste i like. i feel human again or something.

can we get back to talking about the semantic web

there are a million substitutes that provide roughly equivalent value as tamagotchis

― just woke up (lukas), Wednesday, February 23, 2011 3:06 PM (36 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

babies

future of internet isn't just the semantic web

sometimes it's tamagotchis

core facebook/twitter services

status update
social graph
profile
location

now facebook and twitter may not be the leading companies providing these services in ten years but the demand for them isnt going away

twitter's main service is being a top notch celebrity-trolling vehicle

fad-monger

xp

i kinda think that via the emergence of the internet of things that profile and location will be more valuable than status and social - so facebook and twitter could remain at the top of their current markets while being simultaneously rendered somewhat irrelevant

also im know im way behind on this covo but i dont think the future of the net is walled app gardens - i dont think theres much demand for the most basic function of the web to be wholesale taken away

twitter's main service is being a top notch celebrity-trolling vehicle

― ℳℴℯ　❤＼(◕‿◕✿ (Princess TamTam), Wednesday, February 23, 2011 4:03 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

haha yes it has allowed us to get closer to our idols than ever before

jordan is engaged to jose cansecos daughter iirc

let us not forget ~solar panels~

timoreilly Tim O'Reilly
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twitter is like seeing thousands of headlines to articles I never want to read

lots of tweets are headlines, maybe follow diff people idk

i don't "get" twitter

lol u old

thats maybe the biggest barrier to twitter mass adoption, when you look at it its doesnt necessarily make sense, all the RT # @ nomenclature particularly isnt doing them any favors

i do think their new thing of calling themselves an information network is a pretty good pithy explanation

the advantages twitter seems to have over facebook: asymmetric relationships, simplicity

the word "tweet"

i dont even know wth twitter is but i will find any excuse i can to say "retweet" out loud

twitter is broadcast, facebook is ephemeral but concentrated

yeah that sounds abt right

on the other hand: facebook is a book w/faces in it, twitter is a bird

It's weird, I say random one-off stupid comments on twitter and people who have met me from work will follow me there, but I will say a completely different set of personal things on facebook.

main advantage of twitter over fb = people use it as an actual breaking news source mainly due to the effectiveness of the trends feature (altho obv trends gets swamped with trivial shit too) and that legitimises conversations/rants to actually take place within twitter where stuff is so often first learned.

twitter is more about timely delivery, facebook is more about standing relationships

classic comms theory is engineers trying to be sociologists, like it describes the shape of something but that's it. "this room is square," well yes, i might behave a little differently because it's square but... not really.

i for one think tombot and tracer hand have been otm so far to which i might add, future of the internet is all about 1) abstraction as a method of control and 2) means of profit 3) around ownership of content and that the biggest semantic developments are going to be about describing ownership of ideas. if u really want to affect / fuck with the future of the internet, affect / fuck with copyright law. but make sure u get lots of money first.

xposts

ehhh it just seems like a blatantly pessimistic/misanthropic forecast not really founded on anything

i mean so far the story of the internet re copyright of content is a weakening trend

Ive tried so hard to find twitter useful and engaging and I just dont. FB sucked me in though even when I didnt want it to. I've always been more of a blogger I guess, so there's that. Heck I still use my livejournal.

On aother branch of the future of the internet though:

IPv4 vs IPv6. When's this going to happen? It must be at the point of happening by force now, what with IANA or whoever saying "hey guys we're running out of IP addresses btw" recently.

i use google reader prolly how ppl use twitter but i mean i dont want all this information ppl are telling me twitter is too fast slow the f down imo

I only have like 6 ppl on twitter that I even follow, and i had to un-follow one because without exaggeration he tweeted every 5-15 minutes. My page was just flooded with his random shit.

what do people make of Flipbook? I don't have an iPad so I've never used it but a kind of twitterized rss reader with a slick integrated design.. well it FEELS like the future somehow. then again it's not so very different from the "portalmania" of the late 90s

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e66/LimitedLiabilityGirl/WebofAngels.jpg

Found on "take shelf" today!! Totally reading this tonight.

JUST FYI the back sez:

The Web links the many worlds of humanity. Most people can only use it to communicate. Some can retrieve and store data, as well as use simple precoded programs. Only a privileged few are able to create their own software, within prescribed limits.

And then there are the Webspinners.

Grailer is Fouth Literate, able to manipulate the Web at will--and use it for purposes unintended and impossible for anyone but the most talented Webspinner. Obviously he cannot be allowed to live.

Condemned to death at the age of nine, Grailer must go underground, hiding his skills, testing his powers--until he is ready to do battle with the Web itself!

Obviously he cannot be allowed to live.

His name was Jon Williams.

This is the future of the internet iirc

xp lolololol Trayce, I thought the exact same thing.

Tracer, I take it you mean Flipboard? The novelty of it has worn off a little for me, but I still like ... flicking through it idly every so often. It doesn't really scale very well as an RSS reader or tweet-link reader – it doesn't weight stories according to popularity in the way that, say, tweetedtimes.com does. But it's certainly a nice casual reading platform, and if they had more linkups with publishers it would be more interesting.

i can't put this into a coherent computer-person post but el tomboto's theory about engagement with apps replacing browsers upthread reminded me of what i miss about the old internet (pre-google), which was the randomness of searches. it was possible to find very tangential connections to one's search criteria even on the second or third page of results in altavista or yahoo, and this enabled what used to be called 'surfing' the internet. nowadays people don't surf, they just plot their paths to and between their destinations: the earlier randomness of catching waves has been lost.

i'd go on but i'd embarrass myself further. over to you lot.