bros before hos

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let's say you're moving residences, as I was yesterday.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 1 May 2003 14:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

i find it funny when someone 'disappears' totally into a relationship never to be seen again, and then like 18 months ago they pop up all like rabbit in headlights after a split, and they're like "woah, i used to have some friends i think, wonder what happened to them all", and then they try and pick up where they left off despite the fact that those people might be dead, in another city, joined scientology cult, whatever, but to person who buried head in relationship for long time those people caught frozen in time, its like dude, those people changed now, ok?

if you throw your whole life onto one person, you got serious problems if that finishes, everyone knows at least one person that disappears for months on end, then picks up the phone, aha, you know what happened there!

you got to keep up your end of the bargain with the people you know, with your girl/boy, with your family, with your friends, with everyone, with yourselfif you dont, bam they might be gone, and you never even knew, cuz you were starstruck, looking the other way.

dont exclude! its not about bros before hos, or hos before bros! its not really that hard to keep your friends! and keep up with yourself as well, being alone is good, you got to like yourself!

its easy, keep up with the people you want to keep up with, you like them? call them!

gareth (gareth), Thursday, 1 May 2003 14:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

sorry, that should say 18 months later not 18 months ago

gareth (gareth), Thursday, 1 May 2003 14:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think in all healthy relationships there's a fair bit of time you don't spend with your SO, and much of that will be spent with other friends.

Yeah, not having enough to do/enough people to socialize with/etc. outside of a relationship can easily lead to small problems and frictions in the relationship seeming much more important than they are. It leaves you less to talk about, too.

Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 1 May 2003 14:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

yea, do different things every day. look in your address book, right now, look in your email list, in your mobile. why would you want to shut any of those people out, those are some cool people!

gareth (gareth), Thursday, 1 May 2003 14:24 (twenty-one years ago) link

(However, most of my friends irritate me on some level or another, so maybe I'm secretly pleased that I get to ditch them for a BF... and then the BF turns out to irritate me just as much, and I'm totally screwed!)

(Meta-question: why am I always *so* irritated by everything and everyone?)

kate, Thursday, 1 May 2003 14:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

One problem with "bros before hos," taken to its logical extreme, is that you can wind up that drunken lonely idiot in his mid-thirties sadly calling all of his happily-married friends and begging for one more night at the bar.

You also don't want to be the "bros before hos" reminder-guy, either, because as it happens any guy who's suspected of putting the ho before the bros probably doesn't appreciate anyone calling her a "ho." (In fact, he goes home and says "Christ, my friends are such crude little idiots" and they bond against you.)

Umm. I've never had this problem. I certainly didn't have it with Nory, cause all of our friends stopped talking to us when we got together. Dicks.

nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 1 May 2003 14:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

they pop up all like rabbit in headlights after a split

I read this as "like rabbit in headlights after a spliff"

Mandee, Thursday, 1 May 2003 14:31 (twenty-one years ago) link

Maybe you should lower your standards.


I think it's always important when meeting new people not to think you're somehow moving away from old mates. When you meet a new bunch of people or new girlfriend, your "getting to know you" traits like sense of humour and general wit are always at the forefront and so it's easy to get carried away with yourself.

But often you never go past that level with a bunch of people, and if you've ditched your old friends then....it's your own fault really. I have been hanging with the same 5 or 6 best friends for about 13 years now, things change within that, but 13 years is a long long time.

I make acquaintances very easily and like this to some extent, but I like the constancy of having the same friends I hang around with for so long. I like the routines I have with them, for drinking etc.

I like my routines, like a grandad or something.

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 1 May 2003 14:32 (twenty-one years ago) link

then they try and pick up where they left off despite the fact that those people might be dead, in another city, joined scientology cult

Gareth, your friends are very strange, aren't they?

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 1 May 2003 14:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

Why do you think he's visiting LA, Ally? He's come to Scientology ground zero to find out what happened to them all.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 1 May 2003 14:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

It's important to have people around, dumb-asses or not, who remember stuff from a long time ago. Otherwise you hear some fascinating story about how this girl you used to know is now a porn star, and you have no one who was around at the time to share it with. This is why keeping the same friends is important.

nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 1 May 2003 14:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

Meta-question: why am I always *so* irritated by everything and everyone?

that is more of a meme-question or, more still, a mememe-question.

I think it's a vicous circle.

RJG (RJG), Thursday, 1 May 2003 14:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

In the sense of knowing day-to-day and even sometimes actual communication I "keep in touch" w/ppl here more than many of my so-called "friends"!

New York encourages ditching relationships, everyone's always looking for that next step up, something cooler right around the corner, I think suzy calls these people "swivel-heads".

Nothing on bros and hos really, sorry.

Hi everybody!

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 1 May 2003 14:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

I have a quite high turnover rate of friends, though. I'm getting to the point where even people that I've known for around 3 or so years are slipping away. Maybe this is natural if you move as much as I do. Maybe I'm just incapable of forming lasting bonds. I have cycles of friends that fit in with whatever is going on in my life. And when that stops, the people stop being my friends. I seem to be losing a layer of friends right now of people who were Lollies people.

One of the weirdest things about my "sister" being around, is she is someone that I have known for half my life. Both of us can remember things that we shared 10, even 15 years ago. And I'm not used to that, it seemed very strange.

I don't know if I have a bad way of not holding on to people because I am odd, or if I am odd because I've never held on to anyone.

kate, Thursday, 1 May 2003 14:45 (twenty-one years ago) link

Does this encompass the question of "is your other half your best friend"? I've always found it quite difficult to come up with a response when any of my gfs have come up with this. "You're my best friend. Am I yours?" Well, um, no. My best mate wants for me what I want for me. You want for me what you want for me. Ok, ok, so that is probably more caring in the long run (as insistances that I stop drinking and smoking as much will probably enable me to live longer), BUT IT MAKES ME LESS HAPPY. And what's more my best mate nags me less.

Maybe this is something I'll grow out of, but for now, love != friendship.

Oh, and to answer the question, hos before bros = relationship, bros before hos = no relationship (or one that is quickly ended). Fact of life.

SittingPretty (sittingpretty), Thursday, 1 May 2003 14:45 (twenty-one years ago) link

Gareth, your friends are very strange, aren't they?

haha, er, :(

not my friends, hypothetical! as in, when people do this, the friends might have gone and done anything in that period for all that the person ensconced in relationship tunnel vision would know.

oh no, i have turned into hstencil, taking a jokey post all serious, yesterday i turned into sterling. what has happened to me. damn, i think i need to float above the skies of LA again before that cat destroys any more buildings...

gareth (gareth), Thursday, 1 May 2003 14:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

I treated my friends quite badly before I met my girlfriend because I really like my own company. Now that I'm "taken", not much has changed. I'm really not proud of this, but it's true. I am bad, I don't know why I'm telling all of you.

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Thursday, 1 May 2003 14:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

Mark C is wise. Personally I've never really understood this problem - surely everyone needs a bit of space of their own AND to keep on doing the stuff they always did before. What's wrong with that - it's weird NOT to want it. I just can't understand why people feel the need to be in exclusive and cloistered coupledom, shutting out old friends and stopping doing things. *MY* stuff - darts, footy and beer with mates, the band, record shopping binges are as much part of me as being in a relationship, having a family etc. They're not as *important* in themselves, and you make compromises obviously, but they're still part of who I am. I really wouldn't want to be with someone who didn't have *HER* stuff to do as well.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 1 May 2003 14:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

Nordicskillz, dude, that post reads like a Tom Waits song. To. The. TEE.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 1 May 2003 14:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

I completely see yer point, Dr. C, and that was always what I thought I wanted in a relationship. I guess it's just weird because this relationship is so new, so we haven't really defined what is the "my stuff" and "your stuff" and "our stuff" yet.

I mean, I haven't invited HSA along for record shopping on Saturday morning, what would he think about that? me? Going along record shopping with FOUR BOYS from the INTERNET? Maybe he might have a problem with that. I don't know yet. Last time, he didn't *want* to come (even though it was only ONE BOY from the INTERNET last time) so who knows.

kate, Thursday, 1 May 2003 14:57 (twenty-one years ago) link

A friend of mine got involved with a guy, which turned into a serious, 3-year relationship... I never spoke to her nor hardly saw her during those three years. A few months ago her boyfriend broke it off with her and now she's calling me all the time to bitch to me about what went wrong!!! This happens to me all the time - my two closest friends are like this... oh someone's interested in me? Well, I don't need you now, but stay close in case he dumps me, ok?

Whenever I'm in a relationship, I need to have time away, time with my friends.

luna (luna.c), Thursday, 1 May 2003 15:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

well by the time it reaches 4294967296 boys from the internet (i think in abt five month's time, acc.my mathematical calculations) see what he thinks?

mark s (mark s), Thursday, 1 May 2003 15:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

You should have seen his reaction to my birthday thread. He said something like "FOURTY-FIVE BOYS from the internet are wishing you happy birthday?" and I had to tell him there were girls on the internet, too. ;-)

kate, Thursday, 1 May 2003 15:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

Maybe the cat is a scientologist?

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 1 May 2003 15:06 (twenty-one years ago) link

im in the same boat as teeny.

Chris V. (Chris V), Thursday, 1 May 2003 15:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

But my point is that usually you come into a new relationship with predefined *yourstuff*, which might evolve if it's of interest to him/her, but hopefully will continue regardless.

Sounds like HSA is doing HIS stuff tonite. I wouldn't take it as a bad sign at all - in fact the opposite - maybe he feels secure about you and him and is just... doing his *stuff*.

Say Hi to Marcello for me on Sat. and tell him to reply to a bloody e-mail once in a while (I'm joking-ish). I wish I was going to the FAP tonight, but I'm really feeling rough this week, so will be tucked up in bed by 10.00 just as JtN lets rip with another Billy Idol song.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 1 May 2003 15:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

but my wife is cool with me seeing my friends whenever I want. Unless we have plans and i break them with her. But that hasn't happened in 6 years. She is usually glad to get rid of me after spending 7 days a week together. Not in a mean way, but as a break. I have a few friends that refuse to ever do anything without their wives. Its a little bs if you ask me.

Chris V. (Chris V), Thursday, 1 May 2003 15:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

Have just re-read Teeny's post and thing is, I've *been* that person in an abusive relationship that wasn't allowed to see my friends, and I wish someone could have made *me* see the light. But the more someone tells you "this person is no good for you" the more you want things to work out so that you can prove them wrong.

Maybe this is why I'm so freaked out by the realisation that this week is the first time in two months either of us have really wanted/needed to see other friends.

ACtually, that's not true. He has, I haven't really. I should make more of an effort. Starting with going to the FAP tonight.

OH, BTW, HSA's Histuff was last night. I don't know what he's doing tonight, we were supposed to have dinner with another couple, but then the other Soundartist Guy wanted HSA to go to the ICA with him, and there was no mention of if I was invited to that or not. :-(

kate, Thursday, 1 May 2003 15:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

And remember that it is unwise to forget about your friends because the person you're in a relationship with just may turn out to be a secret leprechaun. And then where will you be?

Nicole (Nicole), Thursday, 1 May 2003 15:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

i dont see what the problem is kate, this is not a warning sign of anything. hes got other things in life too=he is not mentalist?

gareth (gareth), Thursday, 1 May 2003 15:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

Warning sign is = *I* do not have the same urge to go out and see my other friends. In fact, in some cases, I'm even slightly relieved that I don't have to see them.

kate, Thursday, 1 May 2003 15:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

I wonder if I'm ever relieved not to see my friends.

RJG (RJG), Thursday, 1 May 2003 15:30 (twenty-one years ago) link

Friends are like blue cheese. Nice occasionally, but if you have to be around them ALL THE TIME then they freaking stink. ;-)

kate, Thursday, 1 May 2003 15:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

being with gf/bf=classic
being with friends=classic
being alone=classic

overdoing/neglecting any one to detriment of others=DUD

gareth (gareth), Thursday, 1 May 2003 15:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

balance, Danielsan.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Thursday, 1 May 2003 15:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

No way. Hos come first, and if the bros can't accept that, it's their problem. I think most of them understand, as nickalicious says.

Weird as it is to admit it, I don't think I have any real friends at the moment, not close friends anyway (and haven't had any male friends for several years, which I'm sure is not healthy and so forth, but I can't seem to muster the interest). Other men usually don't interest me enough for me to want to be friends with them. The women I would want to be close friends with usually interest me a little too much to be comfortable just being friends with them.

Rockist Scientist, Thursday, 1 May 2003 15:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

friends are the most important thing though, you will be far more lonely if you never have good friendships than if you never have good relationships.


Also if you haven't got good friendships the chances of having a successful relationship are lessened somewhat I'd imagine.

We exist and are who we are through our friends as much as in any other way.

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 1 May 2003 15:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

Oddly enough I don't consider my boyfriend of 3 years my best friend. I've had the same best 2 girlfriends for 10 and 13 years. No boy is going to break that. Whenever we've gone out all together we totally gang up on him. Plus, squirrel tail- no best friend of mine would've freaked out over that.

Carey (Carey), Thursday, 1 May 2003 15:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

I have had lots of good friendships in the past, and I felt far more lonely then than I do now having no really good (close anyway) friendships, but having an okay relationship. So there.

Also, when I had close friendships, that never seemed to lead into meeting women for relationships; but having a loose network of relatively casual friends has turned out to be more useful for that. (I know friends aren't just means to that end, but you (Ronan) brought up the issue of friends making it easier to get into relationships.)

Rockist Scientist, Thursday, 1 May 2003 15:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

Nordicskillz, dude, that post reads like a Tom Waits song. To. The. TEE.

I think you're thinking of his monologue on Nighthawks, nick!

"Sometimes I kinda feel like taking MYSELF out. Somewhere classy, y'know? And then when I get bored with myself I go into the Mexican whorehouse opposite the Catholic church, to see Rita, just got outta Folsom... BARK BARK BARK CIRCUS FREAKS SCANDINAVIAN MIGDETS SAILORS ON SHORE LEAVE IN SOUTH CHINA MUUUURDER BARK BARK BARK!"

Ladeez and gentlemen, the career of mr Thomas Waits! Thangyooverymush!

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Thursday, 1 May 2003 15:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

Hos before bros!

(that is, friends before boy toys)

and friends to the end.

felicity (felicity), Thursday, 1 May 2003 15:57 (twenty-one years ago) link

...I really like my own company. Now that I'm "taken", not much has changed. I'm really not proud of this, but it's true. I am bad, I don't know why I'm telling all of you.

You may or may not be bad, but either way it has little to do with your liking your own company. I'm pretty good at being a boyfriend, but I demand at least 2-3 hours a day alone. This is not negotiable. And I prefer to have that time at around 11-2 at night. My sleep patterns get weird sometimes, and sometimes I nap at weird hours and slog through work half asleep, but if I gave up my "me" time every night, time to listen to records and write and sip beer and be idle, I would go mad inside of a week. And the girlfriend is just gonna have to understand that. Fortunately, she does.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Thursday, 1 May 2003 16:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

Well put. I try to do that too, Kenan.

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Thursday, 1 May 2003 16:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

My alone time is less negotiable than my bro time (such as it is).

Rockist Scientist, Thursday, 1 May 2003 16:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

Good god: I only have 2-3 free hours a day period, much less to demand alone!

nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 1 May 2003 17:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

(Qualification: I may, above, be categorizing ILX posting time as "not-free.")

nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 1 May 2003 17:16 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think we all know how I spend the rest of that time: hos before hos! Hos on top of hos! Hos without clothes, lined up in rows, feeding me Ho-Hos!

nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 1 May 2003 17:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

Nabisco, have you suddenly become posessed by Dan Perry?

Nicole (Nicole), Thursday, 1 May 2003 17:57 (twenty-one years ago) link

More like X-rated Dr. Seuss.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 1 May 2003 18:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

heh.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 3 May 2003 08:48 (twenty-one years ago) link

After my discomfort above with the bros and hos stuff, I was today walking around with my Walkman on in the least white area of the UK (my home area, 34% white - only one other borough in the UK has minority white people), and it seems the inhibitions don't arise when I'm just unconsciously singing along with a well-known record, because I was joining in (fortunately at low volume) on "I'm a nigger from the motherfucking streets" (some of you will recognise that I was playing The Chronic).

Many of you will realise that I am not a nigger from the motherfucking streets.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 5 May 2003 16:08 (twenty years ago) link

Booyah, Martin.

martin m. (mushrush), Monday, 5 May 2003 16:13 (twenty years ago) link

eight years pass...

:)

markers, Friday, 6 May 2011 22:08 (twelve years ago) link

an alternate name for those snacks were 'ding dongs' iirc

BIG YNGWIE aka the malmsteendriver (Neanderthal), Friday, 6 May 2011 22:22 (twelve years ago) link

ahh so they ain't quite the same, d'oh

BIG YNGWIE aka the malmsteendriver (Neanderthal), Friday, 6 May 2011 22:24 (twelve years ago) link

To what extent do you agree with "BROS BEFORE HOES"

buzza, Friday, 6 May 2011 22:24 (twelve years ago) link

I wish my job was illustrating cakes that are also kings.

offee is for losers only, do you not c? (Abbbottt), Friday, 6 May 2011 22:37 (twelve years ago) link

KING –– it says it right on his crown.

offee is for losers only, do you not c? (Abbbottt), Friday, 6 May 2011 22:37 (twelve years ago) link

ooh, he's just about to scoop out some frosting with that scepter of his

dell (del), Friday, 6 May 2011 22:45 (twelve years ago) link

he is rushing to the aid of a fallen countryman (too late, too late)

normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Friday, 6 May 2011 22:49 (twelve years ago) link

Seriously considering a tattoo of that KING.

offee is for losers only, do you not c? (Abbbottt), Saturday, 7 May 2011 00:01 (twelve years ago) link

where

mookieproof, Saturday, 7 May 2011 00:02 (twelve years ago) link

six years pass...

bros and girls

calstars, Saturday, 8 July 2017 20:44 (six years ago) link

one year passes...

Lately I’ve noticed some tension among the bros; some dissonance in the brommunity

calstars, Saturday, 15 December 2018 18:15 (five years ago) link

...as if millions of bros suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced.

Sanpaku, Saturday, 15 December 2018 19:05 (five years ago) link

The lads must save the bros

No Smockin' (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 15 December 2018 21:21 (five years ago) link

leave us ta fuck out if it

gabbnebulous (darraghmac), Saturday, 15 December 2018 21:24 (five years ago) link

Lol, so young... not so different.

I so adhere to this. I hate couples and how they take away my friends. And my guy friends' girlfriends always hate me or my girl friends' boyfriends always think I'm out to maim them (not entirely untrue). I'm in a couple and I hate us.
― Carey (Carey), Thursday, 1 May 2003 13:34 (fifteen years ago

Yerac, Saturday, 15 December 2018 21:54 (five years ago) link

six months pass...

Bumper sticker decal ideas:
bros and hos onboard
What would a bro do?
If U gotta Bro

calstars, Wednesday, 26 June 2019 22:06 (four years ago) link

bro now, or else you gotta stay all night

☮ (peace, man), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 23:52 (four years ago) link

Breau bummell

Aston "Family Court" Barrett (Bananaman Begins), Thursday, 27 June 2019 08:11 (four years ago) link

one year passes...

Love dem bros who use carabiners as keychains and hang em on a belt loop

calstars, Saturday, 20 February 2021 16:33 (three years ago) link

Need access to a certain door or restricted area? Just listen for the jangle of the keymaster

calstars, Saturday, 20 February 2021 16:38 (three years ago) link


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