Early Nineties Dance!

e's up raves are without doubt the most fun i have ever had. i have not been to enough proper raves. it's not all about the drugs, but it's certainly not all about the music. don't think you can get away with doing one without the other!

Gareth will you do me a MIX TAPE? Or is it all new fangled compact discs round yore way? Lixi, was that episode of Morse like the Quincy punXoR episode?

AND ALSO Gareth you should answer the original question I posed then! Would you have called yrself a raver? Did you distance yrself from the acieeeeeed crowd? Did THAT even exist or did they make it up in Great Pop Things?

Having not seen the latter I couldn't say. I am supremely bored. Have to leave....I can never find the right Haddaway single to buy. I mean, I found 'life', but it's totally biryani.

yes i will do a mixtape (although i am a bit behind with doing tapes, i will do them all in a big mixtaping binge!)

other dream thread would be if anyone had answered my Alec R Constandinos thread on ILM. or the Bob James one, or the Just Blaze one!

so what do all you hardKORE indie kids think when you pass the loons in the "magic glade" or whatver the feck it's called. i.e. the bit at Glastonbury for the dansin' nuttahs. Do you go "hmm, not really Nick Drakey enough for me. the vocal loop should sound more wet and weedy" or do you think "hmm, they look like they're enjoying themselves, while looking like twunts -- that's SO not me twice over"

"This beat is, this beat is, this beat is technotronic".

Just got emailed that from my friend when I asked him if he could remember any RAVE! I remember the line but can't think who it was.

You even THINK of doing a mixtape before mine, Gareth, I'll fucking thump ya!

Mysterious, this sudden interest of the uber-twee Starry in early 90s rave, isn't it?

I was old enough to go to "raves" (or what passed for them in the Icen Forests of the Hudson Valley) in the early 90s. They were generally rubbish, a gang of club kids come up from the city to dance in a big warehouse to crap techno, banging on about Detroit soul they knew nothing about, to a gang of trendies who were only doing it cos they were the biggest Anglophilliacs the world had ever know.

Enough to drive us back to our barns and our singing saws to try and figure out what the next Mercury Rev album was going to sound like.

yes, i suppose i was a raver. i am slightly too young to realise what was going. i started going to raves in summer92, there weren't many warehouse raves left by that time, i think summer92 was the last of the 'summers of love' if you like. it was certainly one of the biggest in the news "rave menace" etc, castlemorton etc. so it was already becoming more of a club based scene (i went to Orbit in Morley and also Doncaster Warehouse). but by christmas 92 the scene was on its last legs (although i didn't really realise this at the time). rave was dead soon after that, and techno became the dominant sound (mainly German Harthouse type stuff)

reading yr Simon Reynolds you'll know that it split into darkness (soon to become jungle) and happyhardcore. neither were successful at all in the area i lived in, most clubs went techno. and so did i. i didn't distance myself from the aciieed massive. that was already well over by the time i started going out (i listened to LFO and stuff on peel) but i was only about 14 then. hardcore (as we called it) was the stuff the other people distanced themselves from (those into classy or progressive house). as for the pop type stuff mentioned in the thread above, nobody knew anything of it. we just never came across it (other than on tv). that stuff would be played in Ritzys type clubs (you'll notice that stuff is mainly European - hardcore was almost exclusively British)

Starry? Uber twee? You're barking up the wrong greek there, Kate! She's a rockist! I can't stop using exclamation marks! Someone in the computer labrador keeps farting! I have to leave!

Cat-fite, cat-fite! Ooooh!

Ah yes memories!!! Greatest time of my life I suppose, or at least the greatest music I've ever heard with the most exciting feeling of belonging outside of a footie-pitch. Amsterdam of course has from day 1 had an insane supply of utterly great E and I had my share. Music by itself = great, E by itself = bit boring, the music + E = bliss. Ah used to be so fit, I could dance forever, now I am a tired 30-year old fart with a daughter. Although my musical diet has steadily progressed to consist of almost 95% dance related music. Those novels are crap aren't they? ;)

I was a raver in the mid-nineties. It was brilliant.

Ho ho. Main QN: can I see pictures of you OFF YER NUTS.

Yes I think Kate should climb down the Greek and Lixi should shut her gob I am neither rockist or uber-twee but I'm certainly not TECHNOTRONIK and cranking up the old THUNDERDRIVE. SURELY my interest was explained in my original question numnum HADDAWAY. I would lurve a musical saw.

PS LIXI IF YOU ARE STILL HERE BUY A DAMN VIDEO RECORDER FIRST AND MAIL ME SO I CAN BUY VIDEOS. NOW. IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN UNDERWEAR.

deh, wah-deh, wah-dudley-dah-deh
mmm deh, wah-deh, wah-dudley-dah-deh

Gareth, I answered the Just Blaze thread! For that I demand a mix tape.

I was six, eight, and ten during the three summers of love (not to mention in Australia) so No Fun 4 Me. In fact the first rave I went to was only two years ago, where I had a Moment Of Truth and have been one of those insufferable dance peeps that would have bored Kate ever since.

pump up the jam, pump it, stump it, jam, trip on this.

Where are my Ride records? Quick, somebody help me...

call me mr raider. (WTF?)

james brown...

...IS DEAD.

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james brown...

..IS DEAD.

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i am given to understanding that i can, for want of a better phrase, move any mountain, and that you may bang it to the beat of the drum. i thank you.

Darling, come here, f@ck me up the .....

Ach, none of you were treated to my wonderful a capella rendition of the booming 303 that Ed was playing in his car last night. Very accurate if I may say so myself.

OOOOM-chish OOOOM-chish OOOOM-chish OOOOM-chish OOOOM-chish OOOOM- chish OOOOM-chish OOOOM-chish OOOOM-chish OOOOM-chish OOOOM-chish OOOOM-chish

That Inspector Morse episode was directed by Danny Boyle.

I'm surprised no one's mentioned that the singer for La Bouche ("Sweet Dreams", "Be My Lover") passed away a couple of weeks ago.

Boom tish boom tish boom tish boomboomboom tish.

those "total dance" compilation commercials on late night uhf will never be the same...

not too relevant here (but less so than anywhere else), but does anyone else recall the Temple of Dreams by Messiah. an ace tune with a sample from the Running Man, but its main vocal loop was "Did I dream I dreamed about you". and though that's obviously the same as the lyric from that This Mortal Coil song, it equally obviously wasn't actually a sample from it.

Did they want to sample it and were blocked so got some bird to just sing that bit, or what? i.e. a coincidence, or something MORE sinister?

Let Us Now Praise Anonymous Female Vocalists. Like that lass standing in for Martha Wash in those C&C Music Factory videos. Didn't she actually record her own music & stuff?

Not that this really has anything to do with this, but I managed to catch the beginning of _Cool As Ice_ a while back (yes, this be the Vanilla Ice film vehicle), and the intro credit sequence featured Ice vandalizing the mic while NAOMI CAMPBELL provided backup vocals. Ah, yes.

Alan: Oh! I remember that song, but I never knew what it was called.

Messiah were rather fab, though they did a not too great cover of "i feel love" too -- certainly not as good as the best ever (as proved by science) cover of it by CURVE!

That new Kosheen song is fantastic E music. It's got that little cheesey bit that rocks. And at the moment my personal favourite is Harlot by Felix Da Housecat. Best ever is Higher State of Consciousness though. I've worried about heart failure any time it's come on when I'm off my face.

Which Kosheen song is that Ronan? I'm interviewing them tomorrow and could use ammunition.

Kosheen Releases a new version of Catch - that moves them away from the drum n bass of slip & slide (suicide) to a sort of Hi energy dance ala Sunscreem. [Tim, Ask them if they were fans of Sunscreem in the early 90s.]

I was a bit pissed off by the Kosheen album actually. I loved "Hide U" last year and I thought "Slip & Slide (Suicide)" was fantastic - finally someone had perfected the art of combining the jerky robotic repetitive drum & bass style of recent years with a full-on song in a manner that actually worked. And then the album was all Dido meets... yes, indeed, Sunscreem! But more Dido than Sunscreem, sadly.

Confession Time.

I went to an Old Skool night last Friday, with all my friends.

Confession #2

I loved it. Oh yes the club had smileys everywhere and all these idiots had soothers in their mouths, but fuck it, it was brilliant. The music wasn't too cheesey but still cheesey enough.

AGE OF LOVE. Eh......yes they played Age of Love. Also that Bedrock song "For what you Dream of" (which I suspect may not be old skool). Chime by Orbital and loads more stuff I can't remember. It was fantastic. I hate the idea of old skool, and I hate contributing to it becoming the next big thing and going down the road of "chill out". (You know chill out has got too big, when articles saying chill out has got too big get too big). Anyway I hate all the above, but still it was such a fun night.

So yeah DV pull your smiley t shirts out again or something.

Come on guys!! Get with it - youre talking about early nineties dance and didnt mention Orbital or Age of Love until the end!??! 1988 - 1995(ish) where the BEST years of music. Ever. Period. Think Oribtal, think Bomb The Bass, think Rhythm King Records...REAL DANCE MUSIC - whether techno or house - REAL melody. Im not gonna sit here and wish music could go back - BUT! I always manage to throw in a classic or two in my DJ sets and always will!! I was 15 in 1988 and bore witness to the whole acid house (commercial) phenomonon - but speak to any of my hard house/nu NRG (read: CRAP) friends: Who the hell is KRUSH? D-Mob?? ...

― Greg, Tuesday, 26 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

REAL melody

Yeah, those goddamn fake melodies these days, lemme tell ya. It always burns me when I see that they're not organically grown in the sun and protected by ladybugs from aphids!

Yeah good one ed...youre so clever. Fuck you.

Easy, tiger.

Who the hell waits three months to come up with a reply like that?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!